I taught Religion for years. I preached in Churches, I understand. I think you are using the wrong word. A hypocrite is a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold.
now your using your history as a backdrop to beleive what you say...
didnt you juts go on in detail telling me here or on another post that...the majority can be wrong....or dont take the word of a title name or someone who claims to be an expert?


Never said they were living a lie. Some are living a misunderstanding, others have it right, but that is true in all religions. Never said I was the only one who knew the truth. There are millions of us! Join us!
well if that is the truth you are living with i can dig you for being in that..but i beleive a different truth...
if you can live with another brand of faith and truth..so can i..and i like my truth...i'll join you fully later! :rolleyes:


In the mix? If you mean Christianity, How could one not be in the mix in a Christian country? I have said before that I attend Christian Churches from time to time. I do that because Spiritual refreshment can be found in all faiths. I also attend Hindu services, when available. I have Christian friends, some of who are Pastors they keep me in the mix.
being in the counrty and being a full part member is two different things...
i live in a house with a smoker...i dont understand why he smokes..he just does. i am full aware of what he does..but dont know why..and until i smoke, or start to smoke again..wont feel that feeling!
keep up your freind base cg..its the only way we grow and learn!!!


But you judge my heart, are you the one spirit that knows? You call me a hypocrite, but you don't even know what the word means!
i dont mean to call you a hypocrite...just the two sided stand you take..
one side you want me to beleive what you say becasue you are bhudist
the other beleive what you say becasue you were a christian..
the other follow not the words of the pastor...
but yet follow the words of you...
then dont mind what tradition you have..
then mind the way you grow with your faith...
see this is how you come across to me cg.... :)


Again, not only do you have the wrong word, hypocrite, you judge me again. Read more of my postings. I said Christianity is a Way to God, as valid as any. You want Christianity to be the exclusive Way. It is not. Perhaps it is just hard, or impossible, for a Christian to believe that anyone can have anything good to say about their religion.
nah i feel i have it right...you may not like it....and i havent judged you by not reading...i read you more than most..but what i dont do is agree with you, as i feel it is double sided and flip flop argument!
jmo....take no offence! :) :) :) :)
i dont disagree with christianity not being the exclusive way..i dont have the answer for that..neither of us do, and if we did truly we would not be having an argument...but i do beleive in the story of christ and the story of most of the old prophets..and to be honest they ahve served me just fine!
you may be looking for a thirst quencher...but i dont need to hop around when i have found the solid rock for me..jmo!


Really wanted to! And you are right, in the late 60's early 70's it was fashionable to profess Buddhism. But most of those people have long since returned to their first faith, or another.
well.... we all have our problems now dont we!!!


I did post a thread here on Buddhism. I have had things to say about it just not recently. What would you like to know? :)
start by talking about the religion in general...the top or bottom however you want to start..i like another world veiw!

Anyhow, just for you, a saying of the Buddha - Praise and blame, gain and loss, pleasure and sorrow come and go like the wind. To be happy, rest like a giant tree in the midst of them all.
well...i hope you rest gently in the arms of your faith...
millions of christians are and will remain steadfast!

now your using your history as a backdrop to beleive what you say...
didnt you juts go on in detail telling me here or on another post that...the majority can be wrong...
No, I don't think so.
But you must pay attention! You stated, ‘well for one thing for cg to critisize the faith for something he didnt understand, and refuse to beleive in is kind of hypocritical!" You said I did not understand. By saying, I taught religion only means I understand, nothing else.

.or dont take the word of a title name or someone who claims to be an expert?
It is always good to question.

well if that is the truth you are living with i can dig you for being in that..but i beleive a different truth...
if you can live with another brand of faith and truth..so can i..and i like my truth...i'll join you fully later!
O.K. Nothing wrong with that.

being in the counrty and being a full part member is two different things...
i live in a house with a smoker...i dont understand why he smokes..he just does. i am full aware of what he does..but dont know why..and until i smoke, or start to smoke again..wont feel that feeling!
keep up your freind base cg..its the only way we grow and learn!!!
And they grow and learn from me, or so they say.

i dont mean to call you a hypocrite...just the two sided stand you take..
one side you want me to beleive what you say becasue you are bhudist
the other beleive what you say becasue you were a christian..
the other follow not the words of the pastor...
but yet follow the words of you...
then dont mind what tradition you have..
then mind the way you grow with your faith...
see this is how you come across to me cg....
I don't take just two sides. I take many sides. I see the value of many faiths. I have lived many faiths (that is the only way to know them) Buddhism allows this but your faith does not. It can't understand it, as you can't. You are in a "one faith only" religion. Mine is more elastic.

nah i feel i have it right...you may not like it....and i havent judged you by not reading...i read you more than most..but what i dont do is agree with you, as i feel it is double sided and flip flop argument!
jmo....take no offence!
No offence taken. It may seem like flip flop but it is more like a deeper understand of faith in general.

i dont disagree with christianity not being the exclusive way..i dont have the answer for that..neither of us do, and if we did truly we would not be having an argument...
My whole point is to tell you that Christianity is not the only way. It is a good way that serves you and many other well. But it is Christendom in general that says it is the only way.

but i do beleive in the story of christ and the story of most of the old prophets..and to be honest they ahve served me just fine!
Good! Then you have no problems.

you may be looking for a thirst quencher...but i dont need to hop around when i have found the solid rock for me..jmo!
My only thirst is a thirst for knowledge about the world's religions. It is an even changing, fascinating study. You stand on the "Rock" I stand on the "Lotus." In the end we are both just standing.

start by talking about the religion in general...the top or bottom however you want to start..i like another world veiw!

OK. I'll start another thread later. I'll keep you posted. In the mean time there is an excellent series of programs put out by the BBC. It is called "Beyond Belief." Here is the address www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/beyond_belief/index.shtml

It is moderated by Ernie Rea, a Christian, but he interviews many people of different faiths. However, most are Christian. I know a few of them.

When you get to the site go to the "listen to previous programmes" part, click on the down arrow and choose the program you want. You will need RealPlayer to listen to them but you can download it there if you don't have it. Each program is about 27 minutes in length. I am sure you will find all of them informative. Todays one, just posted, is about Black Theology. There is also a program about Buddhism.

If you are really interested in learning - listen! Perhaps we can talk about one of the programs.
(If anyone else is interested, join in.)

well...i hope you rest gently in the arms of your faith...
millions of christians are and will remain steadfast!
Thank you, and yes, I know many Christians do.

i guess its over then!!!
:dgi:

i have no problem with searching for answers or knowledge...but i dont see the need for me to change sides!

jmo!
:fly:

i guess its over then!!!
:dgi:
Yes. I guess so.

i have no problem with searching for answers or knowledge...but i dont see the need for me to pick sides!

jmo!
:fly:

Make sure you leave the door open to ALL answers and knowledge.

When was this ever about picking sides?
And if it comes to picking sides you have stated over and over that you pick the Christian side - which is fine.

Make sure you leave the door open to ALL answers and knowledge.

When was this ever about picking sides?
And if it comes to picking sides you have stated over and over that you pick the Christian side - which is fine.


i mean change sides..typo!!!!
:what:

i mean change sides..typo!!!!
:what:
OK!
Never tried to make anyone change sides either, Buddhist don't evangelize. We believe that when the student is ready he finds a teacher. Besides, we believe that all beings are Buddha beings anyhow.

O.K., Here's my two cents in: If this is true, I am utterly shocked and appauled. While with gambling (aka gaming), some may say that this is a voluntary sort of thing, that whereas one is involving only oneself and not anyone else. This is far, far from the truth. I will admit that there are some people, and yes, many of them Christians, who tithe, and like to enjoy themselves from time to time. But the harm in this enterprise, personal as it may be, that one who can afford to wager a few dollars (within reason) and walk away when they have spent their "limit" (whatever that would be) can unknowingly entice others (including Christians) who can not afford to wager anything. Paul mentioned in 1Corinthians 8: 13: "Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." I know that Paul was referring to eating meat sacrificed to idols. I am making a parallel: that the actions of one can affect and effect others.

The saddest commentary about this is like other things in this world, people and things can get corrupted under the banner of: everyone's doing it. Governments used to raid establishments dealing in the numbers games, some time ago. (Beleive me, I know these things as my family used to run the numbers game in Washington, DC)
However nowadays, the same government that used to haul people in jail, now run the operations themselves so that it can be "taxed and regulated".

Now if this is true, it would appear that for some "the business of the Church" (fellowship, saving souls,etc,) is now "Church business" (making a buck).

Critics of Christianity would say that we promise "pie in the sky" and "something for nothing". Truly gives them additional evidence. While a few Churches have sponsored bingo and raffles in order to make ends meet. Personally, I don't think that God would be too happy of a tithe from an ill gotten gain. As a Pastor myself, I wouldn't want it, and wouldn't even touch it. I think that it is accursed.

On a positive note, let me share with you what a true Christian enterprise really is: there is a lady who cuts my hair and her husband (both are from Haiti) , who are, as I recently found out, personally building a school in Haiti--one of the poorest nations in the world. They are doing this independant of any Church, but doing this in God's name. She is garnering school supplies, for their opening next month. They didn't advertise, or beg, and others who found out like myself are blessing them. I daresay, that they could have easily filled a bus to go to Atlantic City, or Dover Downs or some other venue for gambling and made a lot of money--but they didn't. I mention this to say that this, as well as other things that go on in the US, the Bahamas, and all over the world represent Christianity in what I feel is its truest sense of the Word. A part of me would like to think that this ad is a hoax---I certainly hope that it is, however, to a certain degree, the harm has already been done.

Hi, drwfra. Good to see you posting again.

I never thought that it might be a hoax! What does that say about me? What does it say about us that just went with it?
Check out their site, something "fishy" there. http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0502/goldenplate.html

Check out the add, bottom of their site page, the "what would Jesus do?" thong!
If that is not offensive to the Christian I don't know what is! It is like the "Buddha Bikini" that offended the Buddhists and it was real!!!. What folks will do for a buck!

If you really want to be offended check out this on their sick site! But be warned! it is sick! http://www.landoverbaptist.org/exnegro/ex-NegroAd.html

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P.S. Just found something. Check this. http://objective.jesussave.us/shutdown.html

We should ALL be more careful in the future!!!!

Christian who and what...None sence....a farm for famine..is what we all need

Christian who and what...None sence....a farm for famine..is what we all need

Not surprisingly, you missed the point! The whole thing was a hoax! It never happened!

O.K., Here's my two cents in: If this is true, I am utterly shocked and appauled. While with gambling (aka gaming), some may say that this is a voluntary sort of thing, that whereas one is involving only oneself and not anyone else. This is far, far from the truth. I will admit that there are some people, and yes, many of them Christians, who tithe, and like to enjoy themselves from time to time. But the harm in this enterprise, personal as it may be, that one who can afford to wager a few dollars (within reason) and walk away when they have spent their "limit" (whatever that would be) can unknowingly entice others (including Christians) who can not afford to wager anything. Paul mentioned in 1Corinthians 8: 13: "Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." I know that Paul was referring to eating meat sacrificed to idols. I am making a parallel: that the actions of one can affect and effect others.

The saddest commentary about this is like other things in this world, people and things can get corrupted under the banner of: everyone's doing it. Governments used to raid establishments dealing in the numbers games, some time ago. (Beleive me, I know these things as my family used to run the numbers game in Washington, DC)
However nowadays, the same government that used to haul people in jail, now run the operations themselves so that it can be "taxed and regulated".

Now if this is true, it would appear that for some "the business of the Church" (fellowship, saving souls,etc,) is now "Church business" (making a buck).

Critics of Christianity would say that we promise "pie in the sky" and "something for nothing". Truly gives them additional evidence. While a few Churches have sponsored bingo and raffles in order to make ends meet. Personally, I don't think that God would be too happy of a tithe from an ill gotten gain. As a Pastor myself, I wouldn't want it, and wouldn't even touch it. I think that it is accursed.

Good for you when did you announce this in your church?? I Would love to have seen the look on the peoples faces when you told them, if they work for the casino or the hotels that have them, That you don't want their money in your collection plate.

On a positive note, let me share with you what a true Christian enterprise really is: there is a lady who cuts my hair and her husband (both are from Haiti) , who are, as I recently found out, personally building a school in Haiti--one of the poorest nations in the world. They are doing this independant of any Church, but doing this in God's name. She is garnering school supplies, for their opening next month. They didn't advertise, or beg, and others who found out like myself are blessing them. I daresay, that they could have easily filled a bus to go to Atlantic City, or Dover Downs or some other venue for gambling and made a lot of money--but they didn't. I mention this to say that this, as well as other things that go on in the US, the Bahamas, and all over the world represent Christianity in what I feel is its truest sense of the Word. A part of me would like to think that this ad is a hoax---I certainly hope that it is, however, to a certain degree, the harm has already been done.

vick allways has alot to say!!!

true or not ...

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

faith without works is dead. You claim to be a christian all you want, but without works faith is in vain.

James 2
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

if this institution were to be real it would have been contrary to God's will in many ways. It could only be something started by a satanist - there main objectives are to win over the minds of beleivers and put an end to prayer.

:rip:

true or not ...

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

faith without works is dead. You claim to be a christian all you want, but without works faith is in vain.

James 2
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

if this institution were to be real it would have been contrary to God's will in many ways. It could only be something started by a satanist - there main objectives are to win over the minds of beleivers and put an end to prayer.

:rip:



and your point is????