No, not really spiritual, just religious. Very different.
I'm just using their own ammunition against them to prove how hypocritical they are in singling out the gay lifestyle as so "sinful" (I don't support that belief) when there are so many other moral ills in our society that need addressing.
I don't believe homosexuals choose to be who they are (though some may) and I don't believe they should be persecuted for that. Everyone is born different, but humans always find something to seperate us. Be it race, ethnicity, religion, class or sexual persuasion. I don't see marches against the physically or mentally disabled, the blind or the deaf, the fat or the skinny, but these people are different as well. What it all comes down to is a little matter of sexuality, and that is very taboo in our religious (christian) environment. They find the lifestyle disgusting. Kinda in the same way I am disgusted by asian cultures eating all the unmentionable parts of tigers and elephants and what have you. I am not about to do that but it doesn't mean they can't. They are not wrong or evil, just different.

So true!

I respect Clever Duncombe for trying to fight for equal rights for unwed parents when it comes to equal access to any children that might have resulted from their union. I think that is the way it should be. But in that same breathe, Mr. Duncombe is in no position to be critizing anyone's lifestyle. He is definitely not in any position to be calling for a ban on anyone's lifestyle either.
If he who is without sin should cast the first stone, then no one would get hit.
If being gay is a problem, there are ways to deal with it. I am a father, I have a four year old son. I would not want to my son to adapt this lifestyle, so while I am responsible for him (up until 18 years old), I will guide in away from that type of lifestyle. When he gets to the age where he can legally make his own decisions, if he decides to go that route, off course I would be upset because that would not have been how I raised him, but I would have to respect his right to choose what he thinks is right for him.
So parents, raise up your kids in such away that you leave an indelible impression upon them to the point that they do not stray far away from what was tought to them during their upbringing.
If you dont want them to be gay, teach them that it is wrong let them out into the world confident that that which you have taught them would guide them through the journey of life.


That's like saying I raised my blind son to believe he can see and telling him he would be wrong to be blind. At some point in time he is going to figure out that I am full of ****.

Its not the same! Actually, that scenario is quite different! All I'm saying is you make your kids aware of what is out their. You have influence over their lives up to a point. Use that influence to guide them in a direction that you think is appropriate. When they get to the point where the make their own life decisions, that influence will play a big part in it.

Its not trying to be sarcastic with this blind and dumb analogy that you are putting out! Besides, the original debate is not over whether gay is right or wrong. The debate is merely over the hypocrocy expressed by those who call for a ban on such lifestyles.

Let me say that what I wrote is only a suggestion. It is what I would do. You have the right to choose a different way or disagree with what I say. I respect that right although I may not be completely in agreement with it! I still respect it nonetheless!

true, but this debate of "choice vs birth" always amazed me in it's futility especially when issues such as this "ban" is concerned. What two consenting adults do in private should not be of anyone else's concern whether they choose to do so or is a result of how they were born, IMHO. I'm not really arguing what you said, it just bothered me a long time to see may gay activists get involved in a back-and-forth "born" or "choose" debate with some *******.


I think that if it was kept in private, it wouldn't be a problem. But most like to flaunt their lifestyle and behaviour. So people can't help but notice it, and some do not hold back their negative opinion of it.

The next time I see a Bahamian man and woman doing nasty dances on the dance floor or kissing in public I will tell them to please stop flaunting their lifestyle.

*suck teeth*

Its not the same! Actually, that scenario is quite different! All I'm saying is you make your kids aware of what is out their. You have influence over their lives up to a point. Use that influence to guide them in a direction that you think is appropriate. When they get to the point where the make their own life decisions, that influence will play a big part in it.


This is true for most "choices" they would make, but I don't belive homosexuality is a choice. I don'y think someone wakes up one day and says, "you know what, I'm gonna give this gay lifestyle a try".


Its not trying to be sarcastic with this blind and dumb analogy that you are putting out! Besides, the original debate is not over whether gay is right or wrong. The debate is merely over the hypocrocy expressed by those who call for a ban on such lifestyles.


It may not be the subject of the debate, but it is the cause. If someone didn't think homosexuality was wrong to the point of banning it, then we wouldn't be having the debate.


Let me say that what I wrote is only a suggestion. It is what I would do. You have the right to choose a different way or disagree with what I say. I respect that right although I may not be completely in agreement with it! I still respect it nonetheless!


I understand and agree. We all have our opinions, but it is always healthy to debate them, no?

Okay Nasaw! I agree with you 100%! Having healthy debates are great! Something you said about someone not thinking homosexuality is wrong to the point of banning it, then we won't be having this debate.

All I am saying is this, what someone thinks of what someone else does, is not grounds for calling for the banning of that thing. Especially when, legally, that thing is allowed. Morally, it may be another story, but you cant go to jail for morals!

While I may be looked at differently if I where a cheater (adulter) e.g., I'm not going to get arrested for it. I may break some moral rule or code, but I have that option, that right to choose to do that. And while you may disagree with me, you have no right to take away or call for the taking away of my right to choose to do that. If your choice was not to do that, then go with that choice. One persons views is not reflective of an entire group of peoples views. Everyone has to answer for themselves. This goes for myself too.

The next time I see a Bahamian man and woman doing nasty dances on the dance floor or kissing in public ..


take a photo and put it on the internet .. :sailing:

Agendas

BCC and the Christian Agenda:
1. Keep homosexuals and their deviant lifestyle off our tvs.
2. Keep that nonsense out of our movie theaters
3. Make sure they remain second class citizens
4. Ban them where you can and marginalize them where you cant
5. Convert them to our religion or ban them if they dont come.

Gay Agenda
1. Please leave us alone
2. Please treat us as fellow human beings
3. Please allow us to have the same rights and enjoyments as you

Who exactly has an agenda???

The gays arent asking to ban gospel music from tv and radios, they gays arent asking to keep religion out of theaters, the gays arent asking people to treat christians as second class citizens, the gays arent asking to ban christians or take away any of their rights, the gays arent looking to convert christians or preach them, they gays dont care if you wear Jesus shoes?

The gays just want the christians to stop judging them and deciding whats best for them.

But its the gays with an agenda???

hmmmmmmmm.

Okay Nasaw! I agree with you 100%! Having healthy debates are great! Something you said about someone not thinking homosexuality is wrong to the point of banning it, then we won't be having this debate.
All I am saying is this, what someone thinks of what someone else does, is not grounds for calling for the banning of that thing. Especially when, legally, that thing is allowed. Morally, it may be another story, but you cant go to jail for morals!
While I may be looked at differently if I where a cheater (adulter) e.g., I'm not going to get arrested for it. I may break some moral rule or code, but I have that option, that right to choose to do that. And while you may disagree with me, you have no right to take away or call for the taking away of my right to choose to do that. If your choice was not to do that, then go with that choice. One persons views is not reflective of an entire group of peoples views. Everyone has to answer for themselves. This goes for myself too.


I agree with all of this. Did it seem like I didn't somewhere back in the thread?

Let me state for the record that I am striaght! I love woman! Always have, always will! I have no interest in how the other half lives!
That being said, I find it to be "pure and utter none sense" that any of us thinks that we have the right to tell anyone else how to live, much less call for any kind of ban on anyone's livestyle.
We must consider the fact that this is a democratic society and in such a society, everyone has the right to choose to do whatever they want as long as it is within the rule the laws that govern that country.
If a person decides to be gay, that is their choice. I or anyone for that matter may disagree, but that does not give me the right to tell them that they are wrong. While my principles that guide me away from this type of lifestyles are based on religion, I must always consider that the same democracy that gave me the right to choose Christianity as my religion and guiding force, is the same democracry that gives someone the right to not choose a religion at all. What guides my belief system may not be a factor in some other persons lifestyle decision. This is not to say that gay people dont believe in God, this is merely an attempt to get people to look at this from other angles.
When you as a social activist or church try to ban lifestyles or take away the same freedoms that gave to the right to choose to be religious from others based solely on your disapproval of what you claim to be wrong, you make yourselves out to be hypocrites.
And that is what we have, a nation of hypocrites. Clever Duncombe and The Christian Council, what if someone told you guys to shut up because you were straight? What if the shoe is one the other foot? What would you say to that?


You say it so well, I will only add my amen.

Agendas
BCC and the Christian Agenda:
1. Keep homosexuals and their deviant lifestyle off our tvs.
2. Keep that nonsense out of our movie theaters
3. Make sure they remain second class citizens
4. Ban them where you can and marginalize them where you cant
5. Convert them to our religion or ban them if they dont come.
Gay Agenda
1. Please leave us alone
2. Please treat us as fellow human beings
3. Please allow us to have the same rights and enjoyments as you
Who exactly has an agenda???
The gays arent asking to ban gospel music from tv and radios, they gays arent asking to keep religion out of theaters, the gays arent asking people to treat christians as second class citizens, the gays arent asking to ban christians or take away any of their rights, the gays arent looking to convert christians or preach them, they gays dont care if you wear Jesus shoes?
The gays just want the christians to stop judging them and deciding whats best for them.
But its the gays with an agenda???
hmmmmmmmm.


That's all I'm sayin.

The next time I see a Bahamian man and woman doing nasty dances on the dance floor or kissing in public I will tell them to please stop flaunting their lifestyle.
*suck teeth*


Actually, you can. I don't know what consequences will follow, but you can.

Or, you can go to another club.

I respect Clever Duncombe for trying to fight for equal rights for unwed parents when it comes to equal access to any children that might have resulted from their union. I think that is the way it should be. But in that same breathe, Mr. Duncombe is in no position to be critizing anyone's lifestyle. He is definitely not in any position to be calling for a ban on anyone's lifestyle either.
If he who is without sin should cast the first stone, then no one would get hit.
If being gay is a problem, there are ways to deal with it. I am a father, I have a four year old son. I would not want to my son to adapt this lifestyle, so while I am responsible for him (up until 18 years old), I will guide in away from that type of lifestyle. When he gets to the age where he can legally make his own decisions, if he decides to go that route, off course I would be upset because that would not have been how I raised him, but I would have to respect his right to choose what he thinks is right for him.
So parents, raise up your kids in such away that you leave an indelible impression upon them to the point that they do not stray far away from what was tought to them during their upbringing.
If you dont want them to be gay, teach them that it is wrong let them out into the world confident that that which you have taught them would guide them through the journey of life.



i have to correct you. "teaching" your child that being gay is wrong can be very harmful becuase if your child is gay it will create more problems for them later on in life.

there is no positive way to teach that something is wrong, when teaching that something is wrong you must use negative adjectives and hence if your child is gay you will be the last person they tell

out of fear that you will dis own them your child may try to commit suicide, they may simple live on the down low, they may delvelope low self esteem etc.

Ok! Lets use the term guide! Guide your child away from that type of lifestyle. All children are impressionable. All human behavior is learnt. Children see and them mimic. If you teach them our guide them down that good path, you are doing your job.

Ultimately, they come to a point in their life where they can make their own decisions. The proverbial "fork in the road" if you will. At this point, they will either choose to abandon the way you guided them, or, continue in the direction your guidance has carried them thus far.

You have a point, there are certain things that you must teach is right and wrong. Its wrong to steal, its wrong to kill. These are rules that govern a country. Now, there are other things that people consider to be wrong based on cultural or moral values. Its wrong to have sweethearts, be gay or watch brokeback mountain. (lol). On a serious note, whats wrong by law and whats wrong in the opinions of some people may vary. But all I am saying is if you would like your child to live a certain type of lifestyle, guide them in that direction.

I dont remember hearing of any Bahamian kids that committed suicide recently!