It is a strange comparison that I am noticing in some of these threads. The plight of homosexuals is being compared to those ecountered by race.

This is not in the least the same issue of violation. Being judged by the colour of your skin is hardly comparable to making a choice in lifestyle. (Homosexuality itself may not be a choice, but as rational beings, choosing wrong action is.) Those who suffered from racial discrimination did not choose to be black, neither was their colour a willful action nor was it a course against natural processes.

Homosexuals while they should be treated with justice and accorded proper human rights, are not to confuse "because I want" with "what is right." Whether by religious, moralist, naturalist or rationalist means, homosexuality as a lifestyle is contradictory to right action and should not sought to be justified as normalcy, or as the current vernacular states, "Gay is OK."

The rights that homosexuals think they have and "fight" for, are not in the least comparable to those who suffered for their skin.

anybody else want to take this one???

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It is a strange comparison that I am noticing in some these threads. The plight of homosexuals are being compared to those ecountered by race.
This is not in the least the same issue of violation. Being judged by the colour of your skin is hardly comparible to making a choice in lifestyle. (Homosexuality itself may not be a choice, but as rational beings, choosing wrong action is.) Those who suffered from racial discrimination did not choose be black, neither was their colour a willful action nor was it a course against natural processes.
Homosexuals while should be treated with justice and accorded proper human rights, are not to confuse "because I want" with "what is right." Whether by religious, moralist, naturalist or rationalist means, homosexuality as a lifestyle is contradictory to right action and should not sought to be justified as normalcy, or as the current vernacular states, "Gay is OK."
The rights that homosexuals think they have and "fight" for, are not in the least comparable to those who suffered for their skin.


i will refer you to the works of Martin Luther King JR. and Baird Rustin (sp)...two of the leaders of the civil rights movement...check the works of Coretta Scott King...they all believed that gay rights are civil rights and are human rights...
in fact they all asserted that sexual orientation is the new litmus testtfor humanity in democratic countries....

i suffer for something that is even deeper than my skin colour...think about it...

i will refer you to the works of Martin Luther King JR. and Baird Rustin (sp)...two of the leaders of the civil rights movement...check the works of Coretta Scott King...they all believed that gay rights are civil rights and are human rights...
in fact they all asserted that sexual orientation is the new litmus testtfor humanity in democratic countries....
i suffer for something that is even deeper than my skin colour...think about it...


I understand the topic here, and there are good arguments to agree and disagree on it.

I am looking forward to this debate, and will simply start by requesting your answers to this: How does one know whether another person is a homosexual or heterosexual, if they haven't been told so?

You suffer because people treat you like crap, which is not right. However, I will not grant you that because you are denied what you want is wrong. Children don't get everything that they want, it's because their parents love them and encourage them in their growth. As adults we are to incorporate this into our lives of our own volition. Not everything that we want is right, and because we want it, does not mean that the world should make it so. That's in all things.

Life is hard, and then you die. I'm sure it is quite a struggle and a desspair, but life demands more of us than submitting to our carnal and emotional whims. Man as a race is a great creature and to say that he must submit to wrong action is foolish. TRUTH demands the rational mind to act in accordance with what is right.

I understand the topic here, and there are good arguments to agree and disagree on it.
I am looking forward to this debate, and will simply start by requesting your answers to this: How does one know whether another person is a homosexual or heterosexual, if they haven't been told so?

as you get to know yourself and your body...as you are maturing you should be developing na sense of who you are attracted to...what types of behaviour and interaction engage and/or arouse you....

as you get to know yourself and your body...as you are maturing you should be developing na sense of who you are attracted to...what types of behaviour and interaction engage and/or arouse you....


Hi.
That wasn't an answer to my question. I'll reword it for you. Read it again:

How does someone know if another person is a homosexual or heterosexual, unless they have been told so?

You suffer because people treat you like crap, which is not right. However, I will not grant you that because you are denied what you want is wrong. Children don't get everything that they want, it's because their parents love them and encourage them in their growth. As adults we are to incorporate this into our lives of our own volition. Not everything that we want is right, and because we want it, does not mean that the world should make it so. That's in all things.
Life is hard, and then you die. I'm sure it is quite a struggle and a desspair, but life demands more of us than submitting to our carnal and emotional whims. Man as a race is a great creature and to say that he must submit to wrong action is foolish. TRUTH demands the rational mind to act in accordance with what is right.


Thats "In your opinion".

In my opinion you are overly preachy, your are incessantly meddling in the fairs of other adults, you are telling us what is right and what is wrong when no one has asked your opinion, you are forcing your religion on me and i didnt ask for it and i dont want it,.

Thats all "in my opinion"

the difference is .... I would gladly fight for your right to think and feel and do as you want (in your church and with people who willingly wish to join you). You on the other hand dont seem willing to let other people live their lives without you and your church up in it.

Preach to me when i walk in your church priest and ask for your counsel..... Otherwise stay off my "property".

Man i am tierd of all this talk about sissy's. Enough is enough! :tdown:

Life is hard, and then you die. I'm sure it is quite a struggle and a desspair, but life demands more of us than submitting to our carnal and emotional whims. Man as a race is a great creature and to say that he must submit to wrong action is foolish. TRUTH demands the rational mind to act in accordance with what is right.


i find your comments rather less than civil.

since when is heterosexuality OR homosexuality only about "carnal whims"? loving someone else is so much more than just the sex.

who decides "what is right"? if i were to listen the church's or government's most traditional teachings, i would have to submit to my husband all of my property rights, rights to my body.

my rational mind suggests that i disagree with that concept, and so i reiterate my right to control my own body and my own personage. i don't expect everyone to agree with me, but i certainly expect them to respect my right to disagree. and that's why we live in a democracy, not a dictatorship. you keep your hands off of my privacy rights, and i'll respect your line in the sand.

Man i am tierd of all this talk about sissy's. Enough is enough! :tdown:


well, it's obviously a potent issue, because most of the threads here discussing homosexuality have been started by straight people. curiousity?

omg......the simplicity of some people is maddening. not to mention sickening.
riddle me this: when did heterosexuals become the experts on homosexuality?

riddle me this: when did heterosexuals become the experts on homosexuality?


i'm guessing about the time they became experts on marriage :hammer: ...

alls i ga say is ... NOT A FREAKIN 'GAIN!!

i find your comments rather less than civil.
since when is heterosexuality OR homosexuality only about "carnal whims"? loving someone else is so much more than just the sex.
who decides "what is right"? if i were to listen the church's or government's most traditional teachings, i would have to submit to my husband all of my property rights, rights to my body.
my rational mind suggests that i disagree with that concept, and so i reiterate my right to control my own body and my own personage. i don't expect everyone to agree with me, but i certainly expect them to respect my right to disagree. and that's why we live in a democracy, not a dictatorship. you keep your hands off of my privacy rights, and i'll respect your line in the sand.


I'm sorry to inform you that truth is objective. I preach nothing to you, the action is wrong. Simple. I did not contradict your ability as to choose to do so, only pointed out the fact that you can supercede your physical desire by an act of will and reason.

And as for the love, homosexuality is not permissive to love, or at least, not in its real sense. If homosexuals were to recognize real love in their relationships there would no longer be a need for their relationships to exist.

If you wish for traditional Church teaching, it is that both men and women are equal, and share in the life of Christ equally. Keep in mind the Church's teaching through the centuries has been very pro-women, sadly it's practice of its doctrine is not so easily observable.

The sad part about this all is that you ask who am I to speak. Who is anyone to speak, indeed? It is said that: "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." So would you wish that a good man do nothing?