When I was in Florida, it was OK to shoot and kill someone with a gun, just make sure that the body was inside the house when the police came to investigate.

vait vait vait....
and you live Aldelaide on the beach? so technically they just picking sea grapes of the public beach...you just happened to put your house there?


Sea Grape trees are also 20 feet this side of the high tide mark and next to the house and also some in the middle of the property which is 200 feet deep between the road and ocean.

We have no problem with beach walkers or people getting them on the trees on the beach or road.

You got a point?

Oh yeah, 1frog :hammer: :hammer: :dgi:

Another reason not to go to a party with this folks

BTW, we just cut back the big seagrape bush on the beach in front of the house because we had guys with women having sex on the beach there. Also not safe at night not knowing whose is out there. Not really what I want to see or hear during the day or night, my friend. Go find yourself a motel room.

So you're saying its a good place to take a chick?
Any fine gals on BI wanna go check it out, we can get some free sea grapes too :sailing:


I wrote a bunch, then figured wife would kill me - deleted it all. had great party all hooked up

I wrote a bunch, then figured wife would kill me - deleted it all. had great party all hooked up


Then decided, naw, I have had gay guys doing it in front of the house before and I was not pleased at the sight, not into seeing that again.

So you're saying its a good place to take a chick?
Any fine gals on BI wanna go check it out, we can get some free sea grapes too :sailing:


Rory, guys bring chicks out here all the time, and also girls/girls, guys/guys.

I somewhat understand how it feels to have your privacy invaded by strangers, as I was a victim of God knows what. I woke up one morning early with my sister screaming. Their was someone in my house who was uninvited. This person was going to do what, I dont know. He apparently watched me every day enough to know that I place my keys on the book stand next to my windows in the bedroom. So he plotted to pull up my windows, remove the keys while I was asleep and open up the front door, each window is barred. My sister who was visiting fell asleep in the front room watchn TV, and he manage to pass her without being detected, my other sister who was also visiting heard the sound of keys and got up. He apparently heard her open the guest bedroom door and started to go back out the the front entrance door. I was told that he was headed to my bedroom.
The police was called and I change my locks that same day.

To my surprised, at 5am the next morning, I was awoken by a scratchy sound coming from my window, there on the outside of my window was a male figure trying to shake the bars lose by digging into the concrete base that they were sealed to. I got up with my cutlass, pepper spray, knife, and zapper to deal with this person once and for all as I slept with them that night. When I approached the window he jumped down off the stole he was using and escaped over the back fence. That was the most frightening experience I have ever encountered. Can you imagine being awoken by a large black object in the window, and it was a full moon. I think I would have almost killed him, I only wished I could remove his fingers, but I prayed for God to deal with him so that he would not try it to anyone again.

I am with the farmer on this one. Lawless punks stealing from his livelihood, then threatening him. You need this to happen more for the punks to get the message. If someone is committing a property crime against you, they should do it at their own peril.

http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=8882&highlight=hand+guns

My thing is, the crooks have them. This is not like we are cut off from the major gun toting country, and the rest of Latin America where the majority of the people are NOT reason ready.

Give me the right to carry a pistol.....I will only speak once and you had better answer the right question and in due time. Or else, I would bring the heat.
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http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=8882&highlight=hand+guns
My thing is, the crooks have them. This is not like we are cut off from the major gun toting country, and the rest of Latin America where the majority of the people are reason ready.
Give me the right to carry a pistol.....I will only speak once and you had better answer the right question and in due time. Or else, I would bring the heat.
:tdown:

Agreed!! Also Rory your property is yours to do with as you please once you warn somebody to get off, the consequences of them not getting off at that time is theirs.
You say we have sunk to a new level because someone got killed over some fruit, but if the guy had warned him and he didn't stop he got what he deserved, we are at a new level when people can come on your property do as they please and the people defending their property are considered the criminals.

Sorry to see you feel that way, may god help our country.

I feel the same way about your views as well.
Also they don't jibe with your expressed views on the war on terror, which I agree with by the way.
Why does the US have the right to go after terrorist who technically have not done anything to them yet, but an individual can't protect his property that someone is already on with out permission and is in the act of violating the property.

The people they are going after have done things, and are murderers, but that is not the topic.
As to us, which is what pertains to this thread, now that it is okay for a civilian to kill an unarmed person that does not pose a physical threat to their life, imagine what that means for law enforcement when it comes to killing unarmed civilians who pose no physical threat to their life. And where does it stop, next time someone cuts you off on the road and in essence threatens your property (the vehicle), will you kill them too?
Point is this, property is never worth a life, it is not the same value, property can be replaced, a life cannot.

FIne I used the war on terror to make a point.
The law does not look at your car the same way it looks at your land. You seem to think that if the person on your property is unarmed, by the way how do you tell that in todays culture, that gives them some sought of out, the simple fact of the matter is no one should be on your property without your permission and when found out if asked to leave they should leave.
Please do not take my position to be that it is alright for someone to kill another just because they are on that person's property, but people should have the right to defend their property (land).
This has been a right of property owners from the beginning of time why should they not have this right now.

Nah Rory.....SHOOT EM. Especially if you whipped out a gun the first time, and he knows the next time what to expect. He was not fazed by the gun Rory.......not at all.

Land is no different from a car, infact I would venture to say my vehicle cost more than many parcels of land in Nassau, but property is still just that, property.

That is probably true, but the law looks at it differently was the point I was trying to make. Also your car depreciates; land almost never does that at least not in the Bahamas.

How do you know that anyone is not armed, how about the guy you walk past when you enter the food store, what if he has a knife and wants to jick you up, are you going to be judge and jury and just outright kill him just incase?

Well first off we are on the food store’s land right which is then a totally different scenario, and if he wants to jick me up then yeah I will try my endeavor best to kill him. Now I think what you mean here is if I think he is going to jick me up do I have the right to take him out, well then no. But if this guy is on my property without permission and I ask him to leave and he doesn’t then I might be justified in thinking he is going to do me harm, and then my right to defend my property kicks in again.

Simple, you are aware, you look, you are ready, and for certain if you have a gun pointed at someone, you have time to react if they did pull a weapon, if not you should not have that gun to begin with.

Easier said than done in my opinion.

If your view is not that it is okay to kill an unarmed person for being on your land, then what exactly is it, cause that is what this whole tit for tat back and forth has been about?

Here is my view, again if I find you on my property, doing something nefarious like stealing my fruit and I ask you to stop and leave my property and you don’t do either then I will take action. Now I would call the police but if you threaten me then I will respond. I don’t know if I would kill, but a shotgun is not as easy to handle as some think and my attempt to injure you may result in your death. If that happens I don’t think I should be prosecuted for murder. I don’t think taking that action makes me some sought of deprived individual. I was not bothering anybody, they came and bothered me.

And had this happened in Iraq, the US soldier would be hanging in the gallows right now, and being talked about all over the media, for killing an unarmed civilian.

This we agree, although keep in mind that unarmed civilians are being killed by US soldiers as this is a war. The point I was making about the US is that technically, the guys that attacked them died in the plane crash. Osama might have been behind it but he was not there. Now using your logic of responding when the person makes a move on you then the US should have waited until Osama came to the US with his gun firing. Now understand this is extreme and I know you don’t support that but your objection to one protecting their property is getting to extremes like this.

I have no pity for murderers, which they are, whether they are here or there, so that point is mute. Cannot compare someone stealing fruit for example, to someone that is raping and killing people.

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I meant that sometimes in legitimate fire fights in a war zone, innocent people are being killed by the terrorist and the soldiers, I’m not talking about soldiers who deliberately harm a civilian.
As to stealing remember though, someone bold enough to steal is usually bold enough to kill for what they are stealing. Just read the papers


As to the gun, they should not have pulled it out of its gun safe then, as the license is for shooting birds, not self defense. Use something less lethal, and something they CAN handle, such as Mace, Stun Guns, etc. Better yet, call the cops and stay inside the home.
Anyway, as mentioned many posts back, we may not have all the facts, so until then, I doubt I will respond to this thread anymore, I have to work now.

Well thanks for the debate.

On the gun thing just because you got a license to shoot birds should not disqualify it as a means of protection, many times people are killed with knives that were for cutting meat, so I don’t really see the point.

I am a little surprised that you seem so antigun, I look at them as tools, they do kill but someone has to pull the trigger and I blame them not the gun.

Anyway good luck with your work

Better yet, call the cops and stay inside the home.

Isn't that what the lady in Eleuthera did who recently got murdered?

Bahamian society isn't what it used to be and while we do have some friendly people, some are taking advantage of this fact.