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I am with the farmer on this one. Lawless punks stealing from his livelihood, then threatening him. You need this to happen more for the punks to get the message. If someone is committing a property crime against you, they should do it at their own peril.

I am with the farmer on this one. Lawless punks stealing from his livelihood, then threatening him. You need this to happen more for the punks to get the message. If someone is committing a property crime against you, they should do it at their own peril.

Me to! The article said "Magistrate Marilyn Meeres ruled there was insufficient evidence to send the case to the Supreme Court for trial." That means the case could be re-filed if new evidence was found? (Seems unlikely the will find anything new.)

Yeah but what if it is just heresay and the guy didnt actually do anything, and the farmer just wanted to get rid of him for some reason? It seems alot like his word against the dead mans word, and no witnesses. Unless they are not sure he shot the man dead. I mean picking fruit for goodness sake, sure lick him one in the leg or hand but doesnt deserve the death penalty; and he is not the Judge and Jury - I hope he knows he is going to hell for cold blooded murder now - if all he shot the mad dead for was taking some fruit off a tree.

Maybe we dont have all the facts though, news media rarely prints everything.

But if he has a shot gun license, its for shooting birds, not self defense, and even so, if the man was just stealing fruit, that was not self defense - going by the media print this should goto trial and the farmer should be jailed for murder, unless there is something I missed?

You may have a gun for shooting birds. You may have a knife for cutting lettuce, carrots, etc. You may have a 2x4 to build with, a cutlass to use in the garden but when needs must all can be used for your defense.

Read the rest of my post.

I did, but I was just talking about a gun as a weapon.

I know we run people when they just come in the yard and pick sea grapes, coco plums and take coconuts. But, if they ask, we generally tell them the best trees and give them a bag to carry them in. It's just how you approach and handle the situation. Perhaps he went a bit over the edge, but we do not know all the facts, as was mentioned.

You need a special license to own a gun, you do not need a special license to own a knife, Piece of wood, or Cutlass, which are used for things other than killing something
True, but all can be used as weapons.

- a gun is for one thing only - to kill.
Not entirely. They can be used for target shooting but I will admit most folks get them to kill.

This was murder, unless the farmer had some reason to fear for his life, such as the dead man having a weapon or physically threatening the farmers life, which was not mentioned.
It seems the courts disagree with you.

As mentioned though, all the facts have not been released. A verbal threat is not enough in itself to defend ones life by taking anothers, if the threatening party does not have a weapon; if he said that he had a weapon though, regardless of whether he had one or not, that would be reason enough to defend oneself using least amount of force necessary to defend his life, within reason - in other words, if he had a gun, he should know how to shoot, and he could have simply aimed for the mans legs instead of shooting blindly into his direction.
Hard to hit just the legs with a shotgun, if one is at any distance.

One thing though, when you have a weapon such as a gun, with that comes responsibility.
Agreed.

For example, I felt my life was threatened the other night when a guy came up to me and started throwing a cup in my face at 4am, he could have had a knife, and his boys could have had guns too, yet I did not rush to the jeep only 5 feet away and grab my weapons, I handled the situation the right way, I withdrew and although leaving in somewhat shame by allowing him to do what he did, I may have saved his and my own life by not retaliating.
You did a wise thing.

Look, you know how I feel about criminals, attempted murderers, and the death penalty, Its all over the forum, but one cant just go killing someone for stealing fruit from a tree, without some other valid reason.
Fruit does seem a minor reason to shoot someone but if that is ones livelihood? I cut down all my fruit tress as people were always jumping the wall and stealing. I even fired a shot in the air when some was "helping themselves" he just looked at me like I was an idiot and kept picking! The Dobermans got him though! :)

The Dobermans got him though! :)


I tell Sam and Sade to "Getum"

Yes, but they are not made for Target Shooting, they are manufactured for one thing, to kill, or at least mame. Target shooting is simply practicing to shoot living creature.


Might have ti disagree here. In the Boy Scouts and YMCA in the states, we did target practice to achieve a score. Never in my mind was using the skills to kill someone.

Same with Archery. Athougy, you could surely kill someone with a bow and arrow, yet until now never thought of having one here for pigeon season. Wonder if it is legal. Or shoot Jacks and Broad mouthed Shad with one from shore.

Sadly you can't trust persons who come into your yard uninvited nowadays.

Yeah, they may start out just "borrowing" some fruit. but next thing ya know a lawnmower disappears or your house gets broken into when you are not home.

Just last night a guy knocked on my door, asking me if I could turn on my back yard light cause his dog ran into the back of my yard. He looked like he expected me to open the door, and when he saw that I was quite content to talk to him through my barred up windows, he backed off. I politely (well, not really) told him that the light wasn't working.

Next thing I know I hear a couple of guys in the back of my yard walking around in the dark - Supposedly looking for their dog - in near pitch-black darkness.

One, if it's his dog, why would it run away from him all the way into the back of my yard? My place isn't small and it's up a hill. Wouldn't the dog just run down the road or into the bushes?

Two, did they really expect to show up into a strange person's yard at night and expect me to help them look for their dog?

Three, why didn't they pull up directly into the driveway? They made sure that where they stopped the car that it could not be seen from the doorway (I could still hear it running).

With all of these robberies going on in Nassau, you can never be too careful. If I'm home, I make sure to meet my gal in the driveway when she gets in and if I leave my house at night (or get home late at night), I don't waste any time getting in (or out of) my car.

Yes, they are also used for that, but that is not what the manufacturers make them for, that is not what the gun was invented for, and bullets are made for one thing; the gun is nothing without a bullet.

I mean we use cars for transportation, and to get from A-B fast. However some people also use them to race each other around a track, for sport; the car was not invented to be raced around a track though.

Why not just target practice with a sling shot? :voodoo:


I need to get me a sling shot, but that was in a different thread

Thompson had no legal justification for going in the Stuart's yard. He was a thief and Stuart was defending his property. The police were sympathetic towards Stuart. They did not charge him with murder and they did not object to his release on bail. It was never expected that this case would make to it Supreme Court.
I had to teach a biggety (sp) fruit thief a lesson myself. I had repeatedly told that little wench to stay off my property. I was on the balcony and I saw the man climbing over the back fence. It has razor wire by the way. So I got my cutlass and I waited for him to pick his fruit. I surprised him as he was about to leave. He dropped all the fruit. I was going to chop his hand off. Th thief lost all his hard-mouth and start screaming for mercy. People gathered and they signed his bail. But he doesn't lookin my yard. The fruits fall on the ground.

you're right, society is at an all time low when these bastids show no respect for your property. What if a man breaks into your home and violates your sanctuary? Are you going to tell "come again" or run his tail?
It's your property. You have the right to defend it. If I catch anyone in my house, that will be the last time he/she breaks into anyone's home.

So if anyone walks in my yard here I can just chap them with a cutlass and its no big deal, according to Bahamian Law??

Killing a man over fruit .. this society has just sunk to an all time low.


boy i really dont think it was just for fruit. if you ask me the thief probably threatened that man's life. nowadays when someone threatens your life you dont wait until they carry it out. you go to police, file report, lock up man, man goes b4 the courts, gets bail and now you are watching your back constantly until one day he makes good on his promise.

I know we run people when they just come in the yard and pick sea grapes, coco plums and take coconuts. But, if they ask, we generally tell them the best trees and give them a bag to carry them in. It's just how you approach and handle the situation. Perhaps he went a bit over the edge, but we do not know all the facts, as was mentioned.

vait vait vait....
and you live Aldelaide on the beach? so technically they just picking sea grapes of the public beach...you just happened to put your house there?