every religion uses their doctrine for back up licoln!!!

just like scientist use science to back themselves up..
aethiest use their beleifs to back their words up...
like you are trying to use whatever to back you up...
muslims use the qoran...
bhudist use bhuda and nature....

you want us to go easy on the gambling law...you used your education and experience as a back drop.....no one bashed you..you may have the inside track!!!
i just dont agree with you..at this time on you politics or religion, but i dont dismiss you as a lowly dog!

i can never get used to this christian bashing... :eek:
it just seems trashy to me and disgusting!

making fun, or kidding about funny hats and smelly ash is one thing...but degrading a religion or calling its member foolish along with their faith ignorant is just not in good taste to me!!!

every religion uses their doctrine for back up licoln!!!

just like scientist use science to back themselves up..
aethiest use their beleifs to back their words up...
like you are trying to use whatever to back you up...
muslims use the qoran...
bhudist use bhuda and nature....

you want us to go easy on the gambling law...you used your education and experience as a back drop.....no one bashed you..you may have the inside track!!!
i just dont agree with you..at this time on you politics or religion, but i dont dismiss you as a lowly dog!

i can never get used to this christian bashing... :eek:
it just seems trashy to me and disgusting!

making fun, or kidding about funny hats and smelly ash is one thing...but degrading a religion or calling its member foolish along with their faith ignorant is just not in good taste to me!!!

Point well taken but remember I am christian. I was not saying to not use doctrine. I was showing my boy that that translation could be a little off. If a muslim misquotes the koran and another corrects him it is not bashing. yes the other may also be wrong nonetheless he does have the right to voice his oppinion.
Don't forget Paul was considered a christian basher. So was John. Calling a spade a spade is not bashing the spade. It's enlightening him or reminding him.
But I do feel that christians need to be bashed. You can't get wine without bashing some grapes.

Point well taken but remember I am christian. I was not saying to not use doctrine. I was showing my boy that that translation could be a little off. If a muslim misquotes the koran and another corrects him it is not bashing. yes the other may also be wrong nonetheless he does have the right to voice his oppinion.
Don't forget Paul was considered a christian basher. So was John. Calling a spade a spade is not bashing the spade. It's enlightening him or reminding him.
But I do feel that christians need to be bashed. You can't get wine without bashing some grapes.


i personaly feel people are using the word enlightenment to loosely!!
:dancer:
a spade is a spade, when it isnt a diamond!

and what makes it worse....our own christians cast blame!
not to mention john was human, and vulnerable to human error!
we can all say that the bible and its prophets arent perfect!

Delroy you were doing what most most christian deceivist do: use what ever translation is convenient to back what ever point they are arguing. Most of the scriptures you quoted were metaphors that had nothing to do with the accurance of actual storms.

You said:
2Sa 22:16 - Show Context
The secret sources of ocean were exposed, the hidden depths of earth lay uncovered The moment God roared in protest, let loose his hurricane anger.
But the actual scripture said:
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.This has nothing to do with a hurricane. If I were translating this I would not have replace this beautiful metaphor with hurricane.

You said:Ps 57:1
Be good to me, God - and now! I've run to you for dear life. I'm hiding out under your wings until the hurricane blows over.
But the more reliable Scripture said:
be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
I Hope you won't take refuge in the shadow of anything during a hurricane. You better get inside something solid.

You said:Isa 28:2
Watch closely: God has someone picked out, someone tough and strong to flatten them. Like a hailstorm, like a hurricane, like a flash flood, one-handed he'll throw them to the ground.
Scripture said:
Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.
A destroying storm could be a tornado. But I don't think they have either Hurricanes or Tornados In the Middle East. Almost every storm was destructive back then cause most people lived in tents or poorly constructed houses- no building code. So a normal thunder storm to us was a terrible menace to them.
I am just curious. I have computer data bases with all translations of the bible. I checked and I don't see your version. Can u tell me which version you quote so I can get it. Remember the origional Script was lost or destroyed so all these new translations are just third or four hand opinions on what the translator feels should be said.
You know you is ma boy but you need to kill that religion dog


I will tell you again, "I am far from religious!"
Lincoln, I was mainly pointing out that some translations contain the word hurricane. My main translation is the King James Version. I just look to other ones to get another word.

If you want to find allot of good translations you can search online.
Here is a good place to start: http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?section=0&word=Hurricane&version=ylt

Point taken Delroy! but realize that there is only one word. "In the beginning was THE Word".
This was your argument:"Let me began by bringing something to light. There was a situation in the book of Matthew when Jesus was caught in a Hurricane on the sea."
What everyone was trying to tell you that if the bible said jesus was caught in a hurricane either the writer or the translator lied.
I could write my own translation of the bible and change hurricane of your translation to earthquake. Then what would be the big deal that A translation said earthquake. It would be pointless.

Point taken Delroy! but realize that there is only one word. "In the beginning was THE Word".
This was your argument:"Let me began by bringing something to light. There was a situation in the book of Matthew when Jesus was caught in a Hurricane on the sea."
What everyone was trying to tell you that if the bible said jesus was caught in a hurricane either the writer or the translator lied.
I could write my own translation of the bible and change hurricane of your translation to earthquake. Then what would be the big deal that A translation said earthquake. It would be pointless.

You are right. We must be careful of some translations so I depend mainly on the Spirit to reveal things to me.

Look at the conditions described in Acts 27: 1 - 44 which is a cross reference to Matthew 14:22-33 in The New American Standard Bible which is an American written version of the King James.

Now all the conditions described would point to that of a hurricane. So if a translator should use the word "hurricane", I would not be quick to disbelieve him.

Everyone studies in their own unique way so it's difficult for all to see eye to eye on everything.

I will tell you again, "I am far from religious!"
Lincoln, I was mainly pointing out that some translations contain the word hurricane. My main translation is the King James Version. I just look to other ones to get another word.

If you want to find allot of good translations you can search online.
Here is a good place to start: http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?section=0&word=Hurricane&version=ylt


You keep tell us that you are not religious. I don't understand what you mean. Below is a listing of the definition of religious. Which one describes you best?

Religious, as a noun. A member of a religious order who is bound by vows of poverty and chastity and obedience.

As an adjective:
1.Relating to or concerned with religion or spiritual things; especially dedicated to service in a religion.
2. Concerned with sacred matters or religion or the church.
3. Having or showing belief in and reverence for a deity.
4.Extremely scrupulous and conscientious.

I should also like to know what is written above the Church door that you attend? Is it Baptists, R.C., Lutheran? I would just like to know. You don't have to say what church, just its denomination.

Lincoln, as for words in the Bible. They should not be set in stone, they should be fluid, ready to change as the need arises.

Some years ago I heard of a translation of the Bible directed to, I think, peoples in New Guinea. They believed that all the good human qualities were not held in the heart as we might say, but in the liver! So their translation of the Bible might said, (Psalms 119.111-112) "Your statutes are my heritage forever; they are the joy of my Liver My liver is set on keeping your decrees to the very end." I do not see that translation as deceptive - it talks to the people to whom it is directed, it speaks their language. The meaning is the same, even if the words differ.

It is clear that Jesus was in a storm on the Jordan. Call it a great wind, a gale, a hurricane, it does not matter. All it is trying to say is that the weather was bad!

You keep tell us that you are not religious. I don't understand what you mean. Below is a listing of the definition of religious. Which one describes you best?

Religious, as a noun. A member of a religious order who is bound by vows of poverty and chastity and obedience.

As an adjective:
1.Relating to or concerned with religion or spiritual things; especially dedicated to service in a religion.
2. Concerned with sacred matters or religion or the church.
3. Having or showing belief in and reverence for a deity.
4.Extremely scrupulous and conscientious.

I should also like to know what is written above the Church door that you attend? Is it Baptists, R.C., Lutheran? I would just like to know. You don't have to say what church, just its denomination.

It's none of the above. I am not a member of any church but I regularly attend Bahamas Faith Ministries which is non-denominational.

To me a Religious person is someone I can see from a mile away and tell what religion they belong to just by the way they are dressed. If you didn't know me and you saw me CG you would not know that I am a Christian unless I tell you.

Lincoln, as for words in the Bible. They should not be set in stone, they should be fluid, ready to change as the need arises.

I agree. I wasn't saying that they should be. The problem comes when the new guinians start to use their bible as proof that good qualities come from the liver. Or when i use my translation to proove that a hurricane accured.

I agree. I wasn't saying that they should be. The problem comes when the new guinians start to use their bible as proof that good qualities come from the liver. Or when i use my translation to proove that a hurricane accured.


Point taken!

Hi Delroy the word hurricane was not even used until after Columbus discovered the new world. The Indians he found here worshiped the god Hurican. The God of storms and weather.

Sorry to say all those Bible that use the word hurricane are misinterpretations. Besides there is no such thing as a hurricane in the Middle East. There is no reference to the word at all in the Middle East. Now further east there is typhoon.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hurricane
hurricane
\Hur"ri*cane\, n. [Sp. hurracan; orig. a Carib word signifying, a high wind.] A violent storm, characterized by extreme fury and sudden changes of the wind, and generally accompanied by rain, thunder, and lightning; -- especially prevalent in the East and West Indies. Also used figuratively.

'Hurricane'

The word Hurricane comes from 'Hurican', the Carib god of evil which has its roots in a name from Mayan folklore, Hurakan.

Hurakan was the ancient Mayan god of wind and storm. He was a creator god who breathed on the water as wind to dry it out and form the land.

When the gods became angry with the first human beings, Hurukan unleashed the deluge which destroyed them in a Flood.

Hurakan means "one-legged".
http://www.sharkoil.bm/documents/hurricane_etymology


Hurricane

The word hurricane has been traced back to the name of the Mayan god Hurakan, who, according to Mayan legend, blew his breath across the chaotic waters to reveal land.

The god of evil for the Carib people was named hurican, which is now the name for tropical cyclones in the Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and Eastern Pacific Ocean
http://www.meted.ucar.edu/hurrican/strike/htc1_3.htm

Allot of words that we use today are not in the Bible but we can tell what it is from the description.

Hey Delroy you know I have to say this.
See I wait long enough and you put you foot in your mouth.

Matthew 19:12

Fact its about interpretation isn't it.


Sorry there is no such thing as a hurricane in the Middle East. Hurricanes need water very warm water to form. No history of a hurricane in the Mediterranean ocean. No history of a hurricane in the red sea.
Here is my proof that over time the words have changed the understanding has changed and man still uses a god to justify hate.

You are right. We must be careful of some translations so I depend mainly on the Spirit to reveal things to me.

Look at the conditions described in Acts 27: 1 - 44 which is a cross reference to Matthew 14:22-33 in The New American Standard Bible which is an American written version of the King James.

Now all the conditions described would point to that of a hurricane. So if a translator should use the word "hurricane", I would not be quick to disbelieve him.

Everyone studies in their own unique way so it's difficult for all to see eye to eye on everything.

Hey Delroy you know I have to say this.
See I wait long enough and you put you foot in your mouth.

Matthew 19:12

Fact its about interpretation isn't it.


Sorry there is no such thing as a hurricane in the Middle East. Hurricanes need water very warm water to form. No history of a hurricane in the Mediterranean ocean. No history of a hurricane in the red sea.
Here is my proof that over time the words have changed the understanding has changed and man still uses a god to justify hate.

Hey Delroy you know I have to say this.
See I wait long enough and you put you foot in your mouth.

Matthew 19:12

Fact its about interpretation isn't it.


Sorry there is no such thing as a hurricane in the Middle East. Hurricanes need water very warm water to form. No history of a hurricane in the Mediterranean ocean. No history of a hurricane in the red sea.
Here is my proof that over time the words have changed the understanding has changed and man still uses a god to justify hate.


You making double posts again Vicky? I thought you had this thing down-packed man...

The facts that you mentioned should be proof that God was involved in the creation of these events.

People in those countries never used the word earthquake also but one happened after Christ was crucified. What were the conditions that caused the Red Sea to open for Moses? Or the sun to stand still for the army of Israel? Why did it rain for forty days and nights? Who knows what that thing was that swept the city of Sodom away...I don't want to find out.

You making double posts again Vicky? I thought you had this thing down-packed man...

The facts that you mentioned should be proof that God was involved in the creation of these events.

People in those countries never used the word earthquake also but one happened after Christ was crucified. What were the conditions that caused the Red Sea to open for Moses? Or the sun to stand still for the army of Israel? Why did it rain for forty days and nights? Who knows what that thing was that swept the city of Sodom away...I don't want to find out.

People of the middle east did use the word earthquake. I counted eighteen times the word earthquake appears in the bible. The greek word for earthquake is egeneto. If you are saying that the american indians had no word for earthquake I can asure you that you are wrong. I have ancient Mayan documents that speak of earthquakes.
Yes miraculous things happened in the bible. Yes it said God stopped the sun, God sent fire on sodom, moses parted the red sea. But it didn't say that jesus sent the storms that you spoke of. It said they just happened!