Theology of Weather.

[Delroy]

People of the middle east did use the word earthquake. I counted eighteen times the word earthquake appears in the bible. The greek word for earthquake is egeneto. If you are saying that the american indians had no word for earthquake I can asure you that you are wrong. I have ancient Mayan documents that speak of earthquakes.
Yes miraculous things happened in the bible. Yes it said God stopped the sun, God sent fire on sodom, moses parted the red sea. But it didn't say that jesus sent the storms that you spoke of. It said they just happened!


Point Taken.

[Vicky]

You making double posts again Vicky? I thought you had this thing down-packed man...

The facts that you mentioned should be proof that God was involved in the creation of these events.

People in those countries never used the word earthquake also but one happened after Christ was crucified. What were the conditions that caused the Red Sea to open for Moses? Or the sun to stand still for the army of Israel? Why did it rain for forty days and nights? Who knows what that thing was that swept the city of Sodom away...I don't want to find out.


Hi Delroy sorry about the double post tried using the option to delete it but it did not work.
You said it that is my point who knows what it was that actually caused these events you only have mans word in a book that has been translated many times and interpreted even here many different ways.
You know they had many a volcano erupts in the Mediterranean and there are usually earthquakes along with that so I am sure they had a word for earth movement.
Have you ever looked at the sun and see it move I have not. I know it does but you cant see it unless you have a land reference. To me the writer is describing a long day. Now I have seen a long day and a short day. Fact is they are no longer or shorter it’s just what we are occupied with at the time. How long did the day seem while Frances hung over us how long does the day seem when we have a good debate going here.

As for livers can you imagine what it would be like if we found that text as a ancient Biblical writings we would say I am liver broken not heart broken. The Bible is a reference and understanding of the times, culture and language of the writer. In their time slavery was an everyday thing and we now think it wrong. What is a Unicorn (I asked this on a different thread) my point was made we see a unicorn as a different thing to what they did back then. Just as you now can’t ad hurricane or liver to say what these people said, with out some clear reference, Example “The storm was so bad it was like a hurricane”.
Nor can you add homosexual to the Bible its just no reference as a word.

[Lincoln]

Nor can you add homosexual to the Bible its just no reference as a word.

There was a word for homosexual. I think it is malikai. It appears in 1cor 6:9.

[Vicky]

There was a word for homosexual. I think it is malikai. It appears in 1cor 6:9.


which language??? I will send this word on the a Jewish frind and see what he say and get back to you.

KJV
1 Corinthians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

(I don't live by the teaching of Paul he never Knew Christ the man that walked the earth)

[CG]

which language??? I will send this word on the a Jewish frind and see what he say and get back to you.

KJV
1 Corinthians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

(I don't live by the teaching of Paul he never Knew Christ the man that walked the earth)


You will need to find a Greek friend. It is a Greek word, not Hebrew. (the New Test' was written in Greek, as were most of the "letters.") and the word is "malakos." It means effeminate, or soft.

[Vicky]

There was a word for homosexual. I think it is malikai. It appears in 1cor 6:9.

You need to see this link. Hope this helps.
http://worldpolicy.org/globalrights/sexorient/bible-gay.html
A Summary

When one compares the original Hebrew and Greek writings with various English translations of the Bible, discrepancies emerge. There are many passages in English Bibles which clearly condemn same-sex activities. But when the original Hebrew or Greek text is studied, the passages are either ambiguous or are unrelated to consentual homosexuality within a committed relationship. Two words which are often mistranslated in many places in the Hebrew Scriptures are:

* qadesh means a male temple prostitute who engaged in ritual sex; it is often mistranslated as “sodomite” or “homosexual.”
* to’ebah means a condemned foreign Pagan religious cult practice, but often translated as “abomination.”

We have concluded the following:

* The Bible has a lot to say about temple prostitution, including homosexual ritual prostitution. This was a common practice within the Canaanite fertility religion; some believe that the practice was also taken up by some ancient Israelites.
* God’s destruction of town of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality
* The Bible says little about homosexual feelings.
* It says nothing about sexual orientation; the concept of orientation dates only from the late 19th century.
* A number of homosexual relationships are described positively or neutrally in the Bible
* Of the many hundreds of Jesus’ instructions and prohibitions, few have a sexual component and none condemn homosexuality.
* Paul may have condemned same-sex sexual activities by homosexuals, but the passages are unclear; there are many possible interpretations.
* Bible translators must be aware of the errors that have been made in previous versions of the Bible; they are widely discussed in theological literature. But it would probably not be economically possible at this time to produce a translation of the Bible that was accurate. People are so used to expecting homophobic references in a half-dozen locations in scripture that they probably would not buy a Bible that was accurate to the original text, or which admitted that the meanings of certain words are unknown.

http://www.truluck.com/html/hebrew___greek.html
Bible languages of Hebrew and Greek have no word for homosexual. Old Testament Hebrew is a very primitive language. It is the first step beyond picture writing and is the first alphabetic language. It originally consisted only of consonants with no vowels written in the text. There is no "past, present, or future" in Hebrew. The Hebrew language had only about a 30,000 word vocabulary. Modern English has over 300,000 words. One Hebrew word could be used in dozens of different ways, and the meaning was determined by the context. Each word was made up of 3 letters of the alphabet and usually expressed some form of activity or action. It is impossible to translate most Hebrew words exactly into modern English. Scholars come as close as they can and do a lot of guessing.

[Alien]

what are we on now....
when vicky gets a hold of a topic...God know where it will end up!!!
vick has a way of spinning totaly out of control!!!
:driving:

[Lincoln]

(I don't live by the teaching of Paul he never Knew Christ the man that walked the earth)

Paul knew Christ(spirit), he didn't know jesus(flesh). The bible clearly states that those who walked with jesus failed and thus were replaced by paul. Only his and Johns teachings lined up with that of Jesus.

[Lincoln]

http://www.truluck.com/html/hebrew___greek.html
Bible languages of Hebrew and Greek have no word for homosexual.

There is also no greek word for hell. Are you going to rewrite their religion by saying that because there is no greek word for it the bible could not have discussed or taught on it.

[Lincoln]

Now back to the point.
Those who feel that god sent frances to wash away our sins remind me of the fools in the book of job. Jobs preacher friends told job that he was suffering because of his sins and that he needs to repent. God intervened and told the hypercrytes that they were wrong and that man can never understand gods ways. So all yawl false prophets please stop.

[CG]

Now back to the point.
Those who feel that god sent frances to wash away our sins remind me of the fools in the book of job. Jobs preacher friends told job that he was suffering because of his sins and that he needs to repent. God intervened and told the hypercrytes that they were wrong and that man can never understand gods ways. So all yawl false prophets please stop.

And I am sure you know what Job's friends are called. "Job's Comforters." A back handed way of saying that they were of no comfort at all. To many preachers here are Job's Comforters. Their job now it to be real comforters.

There are many, many people in these islands who have been traumatized by the storm. Some will be nervous wrecks every time the wind blows! Some may never recover! It is cruel to suggest that it was because of their sin that God sent the storm. There is only one word for that - Balderdash!

I am sure you will agree, Lincoln?

[Vicky]

what are we on now....
when vicky gets a hold of a topic...God know where it will end up!!!
vick has a way of spinning totaly out of control!!!
:driving:

Y2kbad I was just point out how people add words to the Bible, Words that are out of context for the place and time of the writer. Just as I won’t let some one add homosexual to the words in the Bible I won’t let the add hurricane. It distorts the facts even more.

[Vicky]

There is also no greek word for hell. Are you going to rewrite their religion by saying that because there is no greek word for it the bible could not have discussed or taught on it.


Uh sorry who is Hadies and what is the underworld.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=46375

Tartarus
in Greek mythology, lowest region of the underworld. The wicked (e.g., Sisyphus, Tantalus, and Ixion) were sent to Tartarus as punishment for their sins.

The Greeks might not have had a word for the Hebrew hell but they did have a word for hell as they understood what hell was.

[Alien]

Y2kbad I was just point out how people add words to the Bible, Words that are out of context for the place and time of the writer. Just as I won’t let some one add homosexual to the words in the Bible I won’t let the add hurricane. It distorts the facts even more.



are you saying we have a homosexual hurricane??

[Vicky]

are you saying we have a homosexual hurricane??


“It distorts the facts even more.” Must be what has you confused.
It’s the distortion of the facts because we are guessing as to what the writers were saying. We can only guess to understand the writer’s intent and when translators don't understand the intent they add words. 100 years from now they find one of these Bibles where it says hurricane and they will think we knew hurricanes formed in the Middle East. But hurricanes never formed in the Middle East. When translators don't know the meaning of a word they guess. When interpretations are made from words that can mean many things and only the writer understands the context. You end up with misinterpretations.