There is a God. He is unknowable, in other words, the human mind can't understand anything about him as he "lives" in a dimension we have no experience with at all. The Taoists say that, "The Tao that is understood is not the real Tao." We might say the same thing. "Any God that we can understand cannot be the true God." If we could understand him then he would be brought down to our level, or we elevated to his! This God does not "live." Life is a human condition and it ends. It is like saying that eternity is a long time! It is not! Eternity has nothing to do with time, it is beyond that thing we call time. The same hold true for God, he does not live, he is beyond life. God is.

However, man wants to understand him so throughout the ages he has tried to describe him. He has been called: Loving, kind, a Father, alive. He is said to be angry at times, joyful at times - but all these words describe human conditions. God is not human, but these are the only words we have so we are force to use them - but they don't describe the true God. He is beyond love, beyond anger. One cannot attribute to God any of the human virtues or vices. Once one tries one loses the true nature of God and sets up a human-made god - hence, all the different religions, sects, cults and denominations, each claiming that they have "got it right." Each claiming, in God's name, to kill others who do not agree. Each desperately trying to prove that their way is the only way AND God's way!!! Happily, in time, they all die. The list of religions that have come and gone is lengthy. There is no historical reason to believe that those that are around today will be here tomorrow.

God writes books! Or so some believe. But these books are nothing more than man's attempt to put flesh and bones and a being that is beyond flesh and bones. It is an attempt to give God a "mind," a mind that is remarkably like our own! A mind that believes as we believe, and does as we do.

So then who is this God? The answer is ( ) He is what you see between those brackets. It looks like there is nothing there! But there is and it is unknowable, because we do not have the eyes or minds to see it or describe it.

So how do we reach God? We don't. He reaches us. He touches us in meditation, or silent prayer. We can't describe that "touching" but we know it is there. Have you ever experienced that?

So as the religious folks fight to prove that their way is right and that God is like them, those who seek in silence, without words, are "touched" and they know!

God is not a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, or anything else. All of these are but man's way to make him, into us!

There was a song, it was an old one as songs go. It was called "Perhaps Love." I have taken some poetic licence here and replaced the word "love" with "God." I hope I have all the words right, I am doing it from memory. It is using "words," human words to feel the nature of God, but here it is. Does it touch a cord in you?

Perhaps God is like a resting place,
A shelter from the storm.
He is there to give you comfort
He is there to keep you warm.....when you are most alone

Perhaps God is like a window, perhaps an open door.
He invites you to come closer, He wants to show you more.
And even if you lose yourself and don't know what to do,
The memory of God will see you through.

Perhaps God is like the ocean full of conflict, full of pain.
Like a fire when its cold outsides, thunder when it rains.
If I could live forever and all my dreams come true
My memories of God will be of . . . you.

For some He is like a cloud, for some as strong as steel.
For some a way of living. for some a away to feel
And some say God is holding on some say letting go,
And some say God is everything, some say, they don't know.

Sure! We don't really "know" that is why we have faith so that we can try! Let us be gentle with those who are trying, because, at the end of the day all we know is . . .( )






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Does no one have anything to say about this theory?

Does no one have anything to say about this theory?


perhaps by giving mortals free will.....he made an error!

perhaps by giving mortals free will.....he made an error!


Well that brings up a whole different thing, without free will there would be:

NO MURDER
NO STEALING
NO RAPES

and the list goes on, there pretty much wouldnt be much, maybe kind of like a more extreme version of a communist country or one run by a regime!

Could be a good thing but then a bad thing all in one ...

perhaps by giving mortals free will.....he made an error!

If you believe in the story, then yes, God made us with free will. I think he was very surprised when that free will chose to "eat the apple." He was so surprised that he had to form an emergency plan - "put them out of the Garden before they eat from the second tree and become like us!"

All of religion is trying to reach that second tree.

Well that brings up a whole different thing, without free will there would be:

NO MURDER
NO STEALING
NO RAPES

and the list goes on, there pretty much wouldnt be much, maybe kind of like a more extreme version of a communist country or one run by a regime!

Could be a good thing but then a bad thing all in one ...

Wait a minute! :)

I have free will and I don't murder, steal or rape! It is not just free will that brings these things to pass. Remember, we are free to choose good or evil!

If God had made us without free will we would have been just another animal! But we are the "reasoning animal" and the only animal that blushes, or needs too! :) (To quote Mark Twain.)

:tup: That is really deep and also true CG

If you believe in the story, then yes, God made us with free will. I think he was very surprised when that free will chose to "eat the apple." He was so surprised that he had to form an emergency plan - "put them out of the Garden before they eat from the second tree and become like us!"

All of religion is trying to reach that second tree.


This being said the Creator is not all knowing and all powerful. The Creator does not know the future nor can the Creator Create perfection. Or is it perfection and we just can't see it.

This being said the Creator is not all knowing and all powerful. The Creator does not know the future nor can the Creator Create perfection. Or is it perfection and we just can't see it.

Do you, or anyone else feel "uncomfortable" with the possibility that God is not all knowing or all powerful?

God can create perfection - however, he can't maintain it, and he can't maintain it as long as he allows free will.

Some Hindus would say that the world is perfect just as it is! Even with all the suffering, pain and hurricanes! They are all the negative side of perfection. I am not sure I like that but it has been explained to me that, everything is created with a positive and a negative side. Nothing can be without its opposite. As the saying goes. "with every curse there is a blessing, and with every bless a curse."

Do you, or anyone else feel "uncomfortable" with the possibility that God is not all knowing or all powerful?

God can create perfection - however, he can't maintain it, and he can't maintain it as long as he allows free will.

Perfect simply means complete. We are complete when we realize that god is in us making us complete. That was the gospel Jesus came to preach.

Perfect simply means complete. We are complete when we realize that god is in us making us complete. That was the gospel Jesus came to preach.

Perhaps so, but the word was perfection and it means, "the state of being without a flaw or defect." Can we say that we, or nature, are so? I doubt, on this side of the grave, we ever will be - Christ or no Christ. Perfection is not in our nature and nature is not in perfection. But as my signature says, "I am not OK, you are not OK, but it is OK."

why did this excellent post loose steam??

why did this excellent post loose steam??

Thank you for saying it was an excellent post. Why did it lose steam? Perhaps it was too deep! Perhaps, not deep enough.

Perhaps people don't like to think about God as ( ) We like to think we know!

This being said the Creator is not all knowing and all powerful. The Creator does not know the future nor can the Creator Create perfection. Or is it perfection and we just can't see it.


Perhaps you just can't see it Vicky.

The world is created perfectly, it is constantly changing. Constantly renewing itself. It is us with free will that made everything bad.

It is almost as if God created the perfect environment and then created perfect beings and put them there to find themselves.

I think that death is our biggest hinderence, if adam were still alive I beleive he would have lots of wisdom to pass on to us.

The problem is there are millions of people going around creating God and destroying humanity. The saddest thing is that God has stepped away and left us to figure it all out by ourselves. There is no central view.

There are many religions, and you are basically born into one of them. You can spend your whole life researching the religions of the world and still never find God.

If adam were alive he could tell us all about the creator. But i don't doubt for a second that there would be other religions that would oppose what Adam said.

the question should not be what God is, but which religion is the real one.

If we can't identify our God, how can we worship him?

The rastas will talk about Jah, The buddhists will talk about Buddha,
others will talk about Ala, some will talk about Jesus.

I think God needs to set the record straight. Unfortunatly, we are on our own, and even if he did try, who would beleive it is really God?