They are mine too! Lol!
Multiple quotes are easy, somewhat! You simply add the persons quote at the front of the message, if I was quoting you I would put [QUOTE=hiphopanonymous] At the end of the message I would put [/QUOTE An ] goes at after the E, if I put it now it will look like a quote from you. You can copy/paste those things in.
As for the rest of your post. It is clear that Mugabe is the problem, not the solution. Had Mugabe not gaged his own press we might hear more of his side of the story. If you can take a trip out there. That way you will see for yourself how "the land lies." Africa is in a mess and I agree there needs to be a guy who can pull it all together but it is not Mugabe.

Thanks for the quote info, will try it when I have more time.

I don't think Mugabe is the whole problem, he is apart of it but on a one country level. The co-operation between the western dominated media and the western government's foreign policy is a bigger part of the problem.
Also, Mugabe didn't really have a real chance in terms of his own press. The white elite controlled the press when he took over (how quickly people forget this), and no one would support him to create his own press. So from the get go he couldn't even impart info in his own country, how was he supposed to defend himself against the international media?

I would like to go to Africa one day. Don't got the money to go now though, probably won't for years.

Also, I never said there needed to be one guy to fix Africa....I have no idea how to deal with the many problems Africa faces....but I am certain no one man could do it.

Once again, not defending Mugabe. Also, people seem to think Mugabe is more powerful then he really is, Zimbabwe is one nation in the midst of many. Yet it is the focus of most media coverage, how conveniant.

(Dunno what happened with quoting you CG, somehow I messed it up good, dunno what happened at the top of this post)

But if he is a bully, and a mess how is the media being bias by saying he is?


We base our opinion that he is a bully and a mess entirely on the info western media gives us.
There are always at least 2 sides to a story and we are only being given one side of the story.

We base our opinion that he is a bully and a mess entirely on the info western media gives us.
There are always at least 2 sides to a story and we are only being given one side of the story.

But he will not let his side get out! He stopped the press!!

But he will not let his side get out! He stopped the press!!



He stopped the white dominated press, which was bad move, illegal, immoral, stupid, and wrong. He didn't stop all the press, just those that were against him (once again dumb move, and not defending him).
But he never really had a chance to get his side out internationally. Why should the white controlled Zimbabwe press help him? He had just taken the land away from all the wealthy white people, who do you think owned the private media as well? Rich white people.

Nonsense! First of all, he isn't being made out to be anything-- he really is a racist thug whose ham handed policies have devestated the country. The preferance is/was to see the country remain as an agricultural gem of Africa, but now the world sees rampant inflation, human rights stifled, and mass starvation all inflicting far more blacks than whites.
The collapse of Zimbabwes agriculture section must have a major negative impact on nieghbouring countries that need food, yet they continue to avoid shunning mugabe if not rebuking him. Talk about 'shooting yourself in the foot'!
Yon need to understand what's going on here.the same land that those whit farmers had, those land were originaly own by the black zimbabwean before the British even colonize Zimbabwe. When they colonize Zimbabwe the forcefuly toke those lands from the blacks. Mugabe ask them in a nice way to turn the land back over to the government to be redistrubuted back to the people. Some of them toke heed, but others had to be force off the land.

He didn't stop all the press, just those that were against him (once again dumb move, and not defending him).

The sign of a real tyrant. http://www.worldpress.org/Africa/517.cfm

You keep saying you are not defending him, but you are!

http://www.simbabwe-botschaft.de/news_detail.asp?key=642&archiv=0

The sign of a real tyrant. http://www.worldpress.org/Africa/517.cfm
You keep saying you are not defending him, but you are!


I am not defending him or his actions. I agree with you it was a bad move to try and control the private media in Zimbabwe. I also think he has committed crime against humanity and for the sake of his people should step down because as long as he is in power the western media and countries will continue with their crusade to get rid of him, and as a result the ecomoic sanctions combined with Mugabe's government's bad economic decisions will futher cripple the nation and cause the deaths of many people.
I'm defending what I said that there is a clear cut case of media biased against Mugabe and the the western dominated media is co-operation with western government to further foreign policy goals.

I'll bet the international community, and the British in particular, are sorry they forced Ian Smith out! Zimbabwe went "from the frying pan into the fire."


Sorry CG, I can't let this slide.
The British were forced by international opinion to stop supporting Ian Smith because he was RACIST. He also used militant groups to segregate the country and forced black people to work for the whites.
Did you support Ian Smith (he dead now)? Did you agree with his goals and methods?

interesting discussion all around. if you've been reading the western media for any length of time, you'll have figured out that subtletly isn't their strongest suit ... maggie thatcher and ronald reagan decried nelson mandela as a terrorist too.

what was andrew young's famous comment about the u.s meetings in south africa? something about the terrorists having more degrees on their side than the us and britain did :footmouth.

found online:
mugabe is a product of the illegal "white-state" of Rhodesia established in 1965 by the racist outlaw ian smith; an illegal state condemned by much of the world, although ironically accepted and support by britain, USA and white south africa.

the history books tell us that "the british foreign secretary arrived with proposals so favourable to white rhodesians -- at the expense of the former black landowners -- that Ian Smith accepted them ... one constitutional expert estimated the agreement meant that the earliest year by which majority rule was likely to be achieved was 2035."

LONDON – The British government says it wishes to see a genuinely united international effort against the actions of President Robert Mugabe’s government, especially for southern African countries to take a leading role in putting pressure on the Zanu PF government to ensure next year’s elections are free and fair.
Responding to questions in the House of Commons yesterday on the humanitarian situation in Zimbabwe, the Secretary of State for International Development, Douglas Alexander said the situation in the country was getting worse by the day raising the need for a united international effort but more so from South Africa and the Southern African Development Community.
“It is vital that we continue to work with others to find a way forward,” he said, dismissing President Mugabe’s position that the British government has been at the forefront of stoking up problems for his party as they seek “regime change” as punishment for his controversial land reforms that saw thousands of white commercial farmers losing their land.
Alexander said Prime Minister Gordon Brown had discussed the Zimbabwe crisis with President Thabo Mbeki at the just-ended Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Uganda and officials from the British government continued to talk with other partners such as the United Nations to ensure something is done to end the political and economic crisis in Zimbabwe.
“There is now a regional dimension to the national crisis that Mugabe has inflicted on his own country. Not only do we see refugee camps being established and people being absorbed into neighbouring countries such as South Africa, but we have seen a draining of much of the best talent in Zimbabwean society, whether teachers, doctors or health workers, who could assist the development needs of that community,” he said.
“This is a matter that we continue to discuss not just with the partner organisations with which we are providing humanitarian assistance—£40 million this year—but with neighbouring countries, not least South Africa, including at the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference, where our Prime Minister had discussions with President Mbeki.”
Legislators were incensed that Zimbabwe is not on the agenda at the weekend’s E.U.-Africa Summit. Brown will boycott the summit and will instead be represented by Baroness Valerie Amos. The British Prime Minister says President Mugabe should have stayed home because of his bad human rights record.
He blames Mugabe for destroying the once vibrant economy while Mugabe in turn blames the country’s former colonial master for brewing all the problems for Zimbabwe in a bid to ensure a “puppet” government takes over and reverses his land reforms.
Brown says Mugabe’s presence at the summit would be a distraction from the vital work that the summit needs to take forward. Not many EU countries have supported Brown’s stance in trying to stop Mugabe from attending the summit. The Zimbabwean leader is expected to attend the summit.
The House applauded the United States for imposing more sanctions on the Zanu PF government and those close to Mugabe, including children studying in the US.
Asked by MP Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford) what further arguments could be deployed to try to persuade the South African Government to take a more robust line on Zimbabwe, Alexander said:
“My hon. Friend is right to acknowledge the key role that South Africa has to play, although of course the whole of SADC has a responsibility. When I met President Kikwete in Tanzania last week, I took the opportunity to emphasise to him the importance of SADC setting out the democratic norms and standards expected of the election prior to its taking place. It would be a tragedy were the SADC process seen in retrospect as somehow having legitimised an election that was not deemed free and fair. We are therefore strongly urging South Africa, Tanzania and other members of the SADC process to be very clear in advance about the standards and norms expected of a free and fair election.”
Asked whether it was not yet time for the EU and the US to act in concert in tightening the noose around the Zanu PF government to “provide a long-term, lasting solution to alleviate some of the worst suffering in the world, the secretary of state said;
“…Europe has led on this issue, but if further action can be taken at the European level, we should give urgent consideration to that task. I do not think, however, that this is the sole responsibility of either the European Union or the United States. That is why we have encouraged Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary-General, to look at the prospect of sending a UN special envoy to Zimbabwe; why we are keen for the Security Council to take a more active role in respect of the Zimbabwe situation; and why we continue to urge South Africa and its SADC partners to take a lead on this issue. Frankly, there are severe problems in Zimbabwe, as the hon. Gentleman rightly describes, but there is a role for a whole range of multilateral bodies.”

http://www.zimbabwejournalists.com/story.php?art_id=3279&cat=1
You think these same people would be intrested in hearing about George Bush human rights record? they need to show more attention to the crimes against humanity that the United States is responsible for.

We base our opinion that he is a bully and a mess entirely on the info western media gives us.
There are always at least 2 sides to a story and we are only being given one side of the story.
Western media can be very bias at times.

Which are none, though some terrorists would think otherwise.
Only you belive that RORY, most Americans belive that he is guilty of many. Alot of Americans belive he's responsible for 911 himself. Plenty Americans don't know how he was reelected the secound time.

Sorry CG, I can't let this slide.
The British were forced by international opinion to stop supporting Ian Smith because he was RACIST. He also used militant groups to segregate the country and forced black people to work for the whites.
Did you support Ian Smith (he dead now)? Did you agree with his goals and methods?
You should know CG's answer is yes.

No, only you and a few other questionable characters believe THAT.
Boy you is the frist person in my life who love them Bush people.