Apparently a supporter asked Hillary how she kept it all together. Hillary tried to answer by showing SHE CAN'T KEEP IT TOGETHER!!:cry:rotfl:bouncy::):bouncy:

Black on black hate is what it is. Experience my a... If all politicians are phony what difference does it make which one you chose.:realmad:

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What does race have to do with it. Why didn't you say gender on gender hate?? This is the ignorance of which I speak and you conveniently highlighted.

It does make a difference even if all politicians are phony. Because as stated earlier, you cannot fake your past. Voters can see how the candidate has performed in the past as an adequate indication of how he or she may likely perform in the future. This is why the polls change. When McCain is asked about immigration and he gives a phony answer - in other words, an answer not consistent with his past - the phony-detector moved and shows voter disapproval. The same with Mitt Romney in regard to health care. The same with Rudy Guiliani in regard to same sex marriage and abortion.

Only ignorant people will believe a candidate who says they promise to do something but their history shows that they will do another. For example, if I stab you and then ask you for a knife, would you believe that I won't stab you again?? Of course not.

*smiles*
What does race have to do with it. Why didn't you say gender on gender hate?? This is the ignorance of which I speak and you conveniently highlighted.
It does make a difference even if all politicians are phony. Because as stated earlier, you cannot fake your past. Voters can see how the candidate has performed in the past as an adequate indication of how he or she may likely perform in the future. This is why the polls change. When McCain is asked about immigration and he gives a phony answer - in other words, an answer not consistent with his past - the phony-detector moved and shows voter disapproval. The same with Mitt Romney in regard to health care. The same with Rudy Guiliani in regard to same sex marriage and abortion.
Only ignorant people will believe a candidate who says they promise to do something but their history shows that they will do another. For example, if I stab you and then ask you for a knife, would you believe that I won't stab you again?? Of course not.


Good points. We live and we learn. One good/bad thing about the US media, what you put out there decades ago come back to bite ya in the rear!!

How will leaders ever emerge if we use their past actions and words as a baromether of them in the future?

Now, if you swing clear across the spectrum on an issue that is recent, I will have my doubts.

Over the years as I got older I can't believe some of the STUPID ideas and ideals that I had back then. Unfortunatelyfortunately I have enough people in my life to remind me.

Hillary and Bill should back down, support Obama and she should say she'll take the VP spot.

Not only will it be a good move for Obama, but she'll come off as humane, decent, and the next time around, she could probably win.

America needs unification, love and understand, and I think this strategy (indicated above) would guarantee her VP status, and future Presidential status. If she messes around she's likely not even to be VP (Edwards may become VP), and even if she gets VP under Obama, the negative taste could leave her PERMANENTLY out of the Presidential spot.

Voting for a junior senator for president with one term under his belt is akin to going to a pre-med student for triple bypass surgery.

Anyone notice that 2 seconds after she stopped crying, the robot shut off the tears? The woman didn't even cry when Bill was playing hide-the-cigar with Monica!

On the flip side, voting for a senior senator is like endorsing the same-old, same-old government. I don't think anyone wants to really return the White House to another Clinton or another Bush. The two families have run Washington for 20 years already. The candidates are only now pickup up on the voters desire for 'change' and now all of the candidates have the word 'change' in their slogans.

Of course Hillary says "I want to make change, but I've made change before." Other than changing her opinion on things and her new cheekbones, I don't see much evidence of changes she's made.

My neighbour thinks Hillary should win because she may put Bill up as a Supreme Court Justice! Anyone ever heard of a SCJ who has been found guilty of perjury and impeached as president?! :sparky:

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What does race have to do with it. Why didn't you say gender on gender hate?? This is the ignorance of which I speak and you conveniently highlighted.
It does make a difference even if all politicians are phony. Because as stated earlier, you cannot fake your past. Voters can see how the candidate has performed in the past as an adequate indication of how he or she may likely perform in the future. This is why the polls change. When McCain is asked about immigration and he gives a phony answer - in other words, an answer not consistent with his past - the phony-detector moved and shows voter disapproval. The same with Mitt Romney in regard to health care. The same with Rudy Guiliani in regard to same sex marriage and abortion.
Only ignorant people will believe a candidate who says they promise to do something but their history shows that they will do another. For example, if I stab you and then ask you for a knife, would you believe that I won't stab you again?? Of course not.


Beneath that pompous veneer or yours is the self hate of which I speak. You may not have mention race in this thread but you certainly have mentioned it in others, so based on your 'past' posts race is always an underlying issue with you .

Beneath that pompous veneer or yours is the self hate of which I speak. You may not have mention race in this thread but you certainly have mentioned it in others, so based on your 'past' posts race is always an underlying issue with you .:realmad:you done done it nah:bouncy:

I thought people were voting for Obama because he offered the hope of real change. Yes he is a one term senator. But he is smart and capable. The whole point in voting for Obama is to vote for someone who can breathe fresh air into american politics. People dont want to vote for someone already entrenched in the politics of DC. People want something different. Obama offers that.

I like Hillary. She is smart and capable. She would make a fine president IMHO. But Americans are saying they want change....they want someone who can really shake up the political currents. Hillary as a member of the Clinton dynasty is per se old school politics. You cant vote for change and vote for a member of a political dynasty at the same time.

Some women are simply biased against hillary....much like some blacks are biased against Obama. Human nature i suppose.

:realmad:you done done it nah:bouncy:


yep.

I thought people were voting for Obama because he offered the hope of real change. Yes he is a one term senator. But he is smart and capable. The whole point in voting for Obama is to vote for someone who can breathe fresh air into american politics. People dont want to vote for someone already entrenched in the politics of DC. People want something different. Obama offers that.

I like Hillary. She is smart and capable. She would make a fine president IMHO. But Americans are saying they want change....they want someone who can really shake up the political currents. Hillary as a member of the Clinton dynasty is per se old school politics. You cant vote for change and vote for a member of a political dynasty at the same time.

Some women are simply biased against hillary....much like some blacks are biased against Obama. Human nature i suppose.100 percent in agreement:hammer::bouncy::hammer::bouncy::hammer:

Beneath that pompous veneer or yours is the self hate of which I speak. You may not have mention race in this thread but you certainly have mentioned it in others, so based on your 'past' posts race is always an underlying issue with you .

That is a fairly stupid thing to say. So when we discuss anything, regardless of subject matter, you'll assume my opinions are based on race?? It sounds like you're creating a strawman argument. Its convenient, but it doesn't remove the facts as they stand.


Bahamas:

Thank you for the injection of intelligence.

I agree, americans do want change. Hence, Obama and McCain lead in the New Hampshire primary. McCain, however, has a history of resisting establishment politics - or in other words, he has a history of promoting and encouraging change. Edwards does not. Obama does not. Clinton, I agree, does not.

My point is that americans *ALWAYS* want change. Check the 2000 elections. Check the 1992 elections. Check the 1988 and 1980 elections. Change was the theme, even for incumbents. But as Charlie Wilson pointed out, change has only proven to be a slogan. And you can't say that the people that came in were establishment presidents - Clinton was a governor, so was Bush, and so was Reagan. All governors that promised change and who were not seasoned or poisoned by Washington.

I don't think its a question of bias against Hillary based on gender or bias against Obama based on race. Although, that does exist. I was *FOR* Alan Keyes when he ran and lost in 2000. For me, its an issue of competence and something I can point to in order to support my...ummm...support. In addition, I sincerely doubt that Obama can or will beat any of the front-running Republicans in a General Election. Which is more and more of democrats settling for less like they did in 2006.

I agree, americans do want change. Hence, Obama and McCain lead in the New Hampshire primary. McCain, however, has a history of resisting establishment politics -
Yeh, and unfortunately for him, his history also dates back to da last supper, dats how ole he is!

Een nobody's great grandfather gettin voted into office in 2008 in the U.S - not this time.

Ting man ...come one. I was along for the ride until you said this:

I was *FOR* Alan Keyes when he ran and lost in 2000.

for Alan Keyes??? LOL i appreciate the response and honesty...but thats not something i'd publicize!!!!

Hilary is just like the PLP in that she believes she has a God given right to win the nomination and become president. SMT!

In any event we need to carefully watch this as when the voting begins in the south Obama might be way down in the polls.

Hilary is just like the PLP in that she believes she has a God given right to win the nomination and become president. SMT!
In any event we need to carefully watch this as when the voting begins in the south Obama might be way down in the polls.


Senator Obama is killing Senator Clinton in the Polls out of South Carolina right now. The Clinton Camp is so desperate that they made an assassination quip against Obama, ie, do not vote for Obama to run as the Nominee because he may be assassinated, just like JFK ( read about it on The huffingtonpost ). What cretins the Clinton camp are..