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Seagod
01-09-08, - 09:29 PM
By Laura MacInnis1 hour, 27 minutes ago
About 151,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the three years following the U.S.-led invasion of their country, according to World Health Organization (WHO) research published on Wednesday.

The new study, which said violent deaths could have ranged from 104,000 to 223,000 between March 2003 and June 2006, is the most comprehensive since the war started.

The study drew on an Iraqi health ministry survey of nearly 10,000 households -- five times the number of those interviewed in a disputed 2006 John Hopkins University study that said more than 600,000 Iraqis had died over the period.

While well below that figure, the United Nations agency's estimate exceeds the widely-cited 80,000 to 87,000 death toll by the human rights group Iraq Body Count, which uses media reports and hospital and morgue records to calculate its tally.

"There are a lot of uncertainties in making such estimates," WHO statistician Mohamed Ali, who co-authored the study, told reporters on a conference call.

He said insecurity made parts of Baghdad and Anbar provinces unreachable for those conducting the survey, which included questions about other topics including pregnancy and disease.

Many families also fled their homes as a result of the violence, and some left the country, making it hard to give a precise assessment of the violence in Iraq. As a result, Ali said the margin of error for the toll was relatively high.

LARGE SCALE SURVEY

Still, he said the household survey's large scale gave the findings more weight than previous attempts to estimate the number of Iraqis killed in battles between and among military forces, insurgents and sectarian fighters.

The John Hopkins University report, published by the British medical journal Lancet, which was based on a smaller-scale Iraqi survey, drew criticism from the White House and elsewhere for appearing to exaggerate the Iraqi death rate.

Iraqi Health Minister Saleh al-Hasnawi described the latest WHO report as "very sound" and said the survey indicated "a massive death toll since the beginning of the conflict."

"I believe in these numbers," he told the conference call.

The White House said it had not seen the study, but mourned the deaths of Iraqi civilians.

"The unmistakable fact is that the vast majority of these deaths are caused by the willful, murderous intentions of extremists committed to taking innocent life," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto.

"It is also beyond dispute that more Iraqi citizens would be condemned to death and oppression if they were abandoned by America and our coalition partners."

The U.S. Department of Defense said enormous precautions were taken to avoid civilian deaths and injuries.

More than half of the violent deaths documented in the WHO report occurred in Baghdad.

An average of 128 Iraqis suffered violent deaths every day in the first year following the invasion. The next year, an average of 115 were killed daily and 126 died from violence each day in the third year after the war started.

Estimates of Iraq's civilian deaths have been hampered by the lack of a well-functioning death registration system, the WHO said.

Some 3,915 U.S. and 174 British forces have died since the war began. Between 4,900 and 6,375 Iraqi military personnel are thought to have died, though no reliable official figures have been issued since new security forces were set up in late 2003.

Death tolls have fallen in recent months as the number of violent attacks in Iraq has declined.

(For more information on humanitarian crises and issues visit www.alertnet.org)

(editing by Jonathan Lynn and Elizabeth Piper)

They can thank Hillary Clinton for voting for this unjust war. A preemptive strike based on false evidence unapporved by the UN, on a country that never attacked the US, led by a president who says he's a Christian...you couldn't make that up...that's half the Bahamian population dead...Sadaam was no better but he wasn't worse...

hiphopanonymous
01-09-08, - 11:35 PM
Muddo sick...151,000......the US has basically opened a ticking time bomb,....because you know lone Iraqis will want revenge on America for all the deaths.

CG
01-10-08, - 07:51 AM
Muddo sick...151,000......the US has basically opened a ticking time bomb,....because you know lone Iraqis will want revenge on America for all the deaths.
But most of the deaths are Iraqis killing Iraqis

Seagod
01-10-08, - 08:27 AM
But most of the deaths are Iraqis killing Iraqis

Thisone is interesting...are you suggesting the Iraqi's started the war...or is the violence result of the US invasion...if the US was not there then these deaths would not have occured period...only Sadaam...

If the US invaded the Bahamas and overturned the PLP government, and placed the FNM in control and the PLP's from Andros decided any FNM that sided with the US is an enemy of the soverign state of the Bahamas would you blame the PLP's or the US as well or maybe you would just bend over and get f****** by Bush.

CG
01-10-08, - 08:52 AM
Thisone is interesting...are you suggesting the Iraqi's started the war...or is the violence result of the US invasion...if the US was not there then these deaths would not have occured period...only Sadaam...
If the US invaded the Bahamas and overturned the PLP government, and placed the FNM in control and the PLP's from Andros decided any FNM that sided with the US is an enemy of the soverign state of the Bahamas would you blame the PLP's or the US as well or maybe you would just bend over and get f****** by Bush.
A simple statement that it is Iraqis killing Iraqis and you make a meal of it!!! They are killing each other because they are stupid, and it is more over religion than occupation.

Saddam knew that the only way to keep the two parties from killing each other was to kill a few of them now and again. He put the “fear of God” in them. When the US took him out there was no one to stand between the two to keep them from killing each other - stupid people, all! Even the Americans. They should never have gone in. If they knew history they would have known what Iraqi people were like.

Seagod
01-10-08, - 10:14 AM
A simple statement that it is Iraqis killing Iraqis and you make a meal of it!!! They are killing each other because they are stupid, and it is more over religion than occupation.
Saddam knew that the only way to keep the two parties from killing each other was to kill a few of them now and again. He put the “fear of God” in them. When the US took him out there was no one to stand between the two to keep them from killing each other - stupid people, all! Even the Americans. They should never have gone in. If they knew history they would have known what Iraqi people were like.

Sure I overreacted a bit...my bad...but you have come to the same conclusion that I have it's ultimately the AMerican occupation that is the cause of those deaths.

CG
01-10-08, - 01:19 PM
Sure I overreacted a bit...my bad...but you have come to the same conclusion that I have it's ultimately the AMerican occupation that is the cause of those deaths.
In the short run, yes. But this violence has been seething under the surface for a long time - fueled by a religion of blood. They are so blinded they don’t know what to do but fight each other. Had they any brains they would stop fighting each other now, pretend to be the best of friends. The Americans, looking for an “honorable” way out, would say “See, our work is done!” and leave. Then the two sides could go back to killing each other and no one would care! Just like they did not care when Saddam was killing both sides!