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Vicky
11-11-04, - 06:58 PM
Thanks CG, but I'd like a little further info on a few points. I did not know that man had to produce those hybrids, etc, to help feed the millions, but I believe you. I understand that much of these goods I have been consuming for years as you have said. I also believe that for our health's sake at some point we might have to curb our consumption of some of them. Some doctors say that in the case of genetically modified foods, we don't even know WHAT effect (if any) they are having on our bodies! Except for fish I have not eaten any other kind of meat in about 8 years. Right now I even feel like stopping eating fish, as Dr Mercola (he's on the net) says that all ocean fish have mercury! Some months ago I saw on the net that the grouper has the 2nd or 3rd highest amount of mercury in its body than most of the other fish! This was shocking to me, even though I had stop eating grouper years ago -- they just don't taste right to me anymore.

I found out about nematodes about two and a half years ago, after they had just about destroyed the banana trees in my yard. About a month after I treated them, hurricane Michelle came and washed away the treatment. I treated them again in January this year -- they seem to be coming on fairly well since the last two recent hurricanes. My yard is small but these nice banana trees used to give me some really nice bananas. Haven't had any in about 3 or 4 years from them.

Sounds a bit strange to me that you refer to nematodes as God's creation (?). And that you would say that God sends new diseases (?). I believe you know what my "explanation" regarding this would be, ie, that these things happen because this is a fallen world. That is , after Adam and Eve were put out of the Garden because they had sinned. The Garden of Eden was a perfect place, free from all diseases, etc, and God had cursed the earth because of their sin. Now that is the explanation that I hear experienced preachers give as well as my Bible notes and dictionary.

And even though (according to Bible dictionary explanation) one of the reasons Christ had come was to redeem us from the curse of poverty, sin and death, we still have to pray and ask God for help with these issues. (I am reading a book on prayer by Myles Munroe in which he says that it is illegal for God to be doing things for us on the earth because he has already given man full dominion to control and rule the earth, so He (God) needs our permission to help us in matters on the earth!).

I have read and studied quite a bit about some of the leading diseases like diabetes, arthritis and cancer. I always read complimentary/alternative methods of healing these diseases. I don't believe that conventional medicine will ever improve their methods of treating most diseases. It is said that the drugs that are used for the most part really don't promote healing but just ease the symptoms. That is why many medical doctors are also using herbs, vitamins, minerals, etc, along with conventional methods, which I believe is the best way to go. And if we stop eating all the greasy foods and the greasy FRIED fish, dairy products, etc, and take daily exercises, we would not contract most of these diseases. Make our diets plant based mostly. This is what I believe will greatly reduce incidences of these diseases!

It would also be interesting to understand why you say that "There is not one shred of credible evidence to suggest that there is an after-life to be saved to!" This would seem to indicate that Christ came to earth and give up His earthly life for mankind all to no avail!

About salvation, I understand what you are saying up to a point. As far as I know it is important to accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour and after that is done and you are bapsized, you are saved! And His Holy Spirit comes to live in you! But many believe that your salvation would not be really complete until you receive your glorified, spiritual body, which would not happen until you die and meet the risen Christ! Now, to me that is very reasonable!

But I don't understand Christians of long standing not attaching much importance to salvation. Yes, serving God and mankind are very important, but that would not get you to heaven, because that would be implying that one is saved by WORKS, which the Bible does not teach. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast". (Eph 2: 8 - 9).


On your health note there is a very important fact you all might like to know.
When cooking food or storing food in an aluminum pot if the food is acidic Example foods with tomatos or lime, produce a carcinogen that in known to cause cancer.
Things they don’t want you to know about.

Vicky
11-11-04, - 07:22 PM
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Who created Satan? If it was the Creator that knows all (past, present and future) then the Creator knows what the Creator is doing and Satan serves the Creator's purpose. Everything exist because of the Creator. Because with out it being the Creators intent for it to exist it could not exist.
The Creator already knows the Creator dose not need an invatation. Or are you going to say the Creator does not know).
You might have seen proof of the spirit world but that is not proof of the intent of the Creator.

Vicky, why are you trying to complicate a simple statement. Cant you see that the "Ghost" statement had abolutely NOTHING to do with the Creator? Cant you see that I am saying that there was proof that I saw the ghost. There was proof because I saw it, the lady saw it and the man 120 feet ahead of us saw it!!! -- 3 persons saw it! How more straightforward can I get?
I am not saying you did not see a ghost there are things out there we just don't understand. Example When I was young my Dad and I were coming back from Gouldin (spelling) Cay west end Nassau. We were in a 25 ft Abaco build sailboat with a fish well. Clear blue sky flat and I mean flat calm water.
And right in front of us was a rainbow where it touched the water it looked as if it were boiling water. As we got closer the rainbow did not move. My Dad got scared and he turned the boat around and we went back to Gouldin Cay till the morning.

Also, since you seem to know so much about the Creator, pray , can you please tell me why, in the first few verses of Genesis chapter 6, the Creator said He was sorry that he made man?

Can you please tell me why, when the Creator saw the children of Israel committing a "great" sin by worshiping a golden calf and He wanted to destroy them all, Why did he let Moses talk Him out of destroying them all?

Can you please tell me why did the Creator allow a righteous man Job to go through all that suffering?

I could go on and on. But maybe, 'cause you seem to know so much about the Creator, you are able to give me a sensible answer to these queries that I myself don't know!

I have no answer I to have querries on this matter. I have only questions. That is a conflict I see in the Old Testamet. That is why I follow the teachings of Christ the man who walked the earth.
Either the Creator is not all powerful, perfect and knowing.
Or the Creator is all powerful, perfect and knowing.
Verses like those tell me the the Creator is not all powerful, perfect and knowing.
I have my thoughts on this but I would like yours.
Please what do you think Great Demos????

Vicky
11-11-04, - 07:34 PM
Vicky, I will just answer this last part which am surprised you don't seem to know. As far as I know, Christ is both Creator and Lord, He said so Himself in the Gospels!

Its not a matter of my faith being different. It is what the word of God, the Bible says. You probably would not accept this particular point because its by the great St Paul.

Please see what it says about Christ having created all things, Col. 1: 15 - 16.

Colossians 1
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
when you add 14 to it, it sounds like that is someone talking about Christ. But it is not Christ the man who walked the earth talking about him self.
Is not Colossians written by Paul a man who never met Christ the man who walked the Earth.
I am not a Paulist.

bsmbahamas
11-23-04, - 11:35 AM
Paul was not a Paulist either.

He was a christian.

You can't pick out parts of the bile to beleive and toss out the rest.

you can break the laws and rules, but you can't say I beleive Jesus' words but not Pauls.

Jesus' words were not written by him - so how do you know that they are Jesus' words - because they are in red ink? :rolleyes:

Rizzo
11-23-04, - 12:34 PM
LOL!....sorry, but the red ink thing was a funny one bsmbahamas! :D

Vicky
11-23-04, - 03:52 PM
Paul was not a Paulist either.
Your right Paul was not a Paulist the people that follow his teachings are and that's cool for them.
He was a christian.
Maybe, maybe not but he thought he was.
You can't pick out parts of the bile to beleive and toss out the rest.
Why not you do?
you can break the laws and rules, but you can't say I beleive Jesus' words but not Pauls.
Oh yes I can.
Paul is a Johnny come lately just like all the other preachers claiming Jesus/the Creator spoke to them.
Jesus' words were not written by him - so how do you know that they are Jesus' words - because they are in red ink? :rolleyes:

I never said I know they were Jesus word by his hand. Duh That why the Book are Matthew Mark Luke and John. If they even wrote them. If the even existed at all.
Oh and lets not for get the Gnostic gospels. The gospel of Thomas and Mary.
I never said that they are with out a doubt Christ own words. Emperor Constantine had his hand in the re writing of the Bible and Christianity as it is practiced to this day. I said I do my best to live by the teachings of Christ.

Rizzo
11-24-04, - 01:24 PM
Vicky, I think basically he meant how do you know that they are actually the teachings of Christ? Is it because the apostles said they were or because you believe they are? I think he's saying that the same reason you believe that they are Jesus' teachings, he believes in the rest of the bible.

Vicky
11-24-04, - 01:47 PM
Vicky, I think basically he meant how do you know that they are actually the teachings of Christ? Is it because the apostles said they were or because you believe they are? I think he's saying that the same reason you believe that they are Jesus' teachings, he believes in the rest of the bible.

Let me help you understand something here. For me Christ was a man Created by the Creator as we are all created by the Creator. But more intun with the Creator than we are. If Christ even lived at all. The man Christ might be as mythological as the unicorn or pegasus. There is no proof he even walked the earth. Wether Christ lived or not the teaching attributed to him, of a way of life are the best I have seen. So I do my best to live by them. I have many questions for the Creator and I will ask them if there is a life after death that we can meet the Creator.
Now If I am to be condemned to hell because I have questions and I will not follow the opinions of men because they are in conflict so be it. The Creator made me what I am and knows what is to become of me is already done. There is nothing new under the sun. Not even a new thought.

Teniel
11-24-04, - 01:57 PM
Let me help you understand something here. For me Christ was a man Created by the Creator as we are all created by the Creator. But more intun with the Creator than we are. If Christ even lived at all. The man Christ might be as mythological as the unicorn or pegasus. There is no proof he even walked the earth. Wether Christ lived or not the teaching attributed to him, of a way of life are the best I have seen. So I do my best to live by them. I have many questions for the Creator and I will ask them if there is a life after death that we can meet the Creator.
Now If I am to be condemned to hell because I have questions and I will not follow the opinions of men because they are in conflict so be it. The Creator made me what I am and knows what is to become of me is already done. There is nothing new under the sun. Not even a new thought.






The question that I have is do you believe in Christ or not? You say that the teachings attributed to him are the best you have ever seen, but then you say that Christ may never have even existed, and that there is no proof that he walked the earth. It sounds a bit contradictory to me that is to follow someones teachings, but yet have doubts about their existence. :dgi:

Vicky
11-24-04, - 02:36 PM
The question that I have is do you believe in Christ or not? You say that the teachings attributed to him are the best you have ever seen, but then you say that Christ may never have even existed, and that there is no proof that he walked the earth. It sounds a bit contradictory to me that is to follow someones teachings, but yet have doubts about their existence. :dgi:

I have no proof that Christ existed no more so than I have proof that Zeus, Odin, Buddha, Mohammed,and Hercules existed. So yes in reality there is doubt. Just as you fear death you have doubt. Because if you had no doubt you would celebrate death and we would welcome it.