Now this is an issue thats long since been controversial, and one I believe so many including the church has very, very wrong. It is said that God always intended for a man to be "the head" of a woman..

Do you agree? And if so, why? If Not, why?

No men are not in charge nor are women.
we are equal and just as human no better no worse.

No men are not in charge nor are women.
we are equal and just as human no better no worse.


God made man responsible as the head of the family.
They are both equal, but the husband should always
make the final descision, unless he asks the wife to do
it for him.

God will hold the husbands responsible for what goes
wrong with their family.

As far as the state is concerned they are both equal,
a man should listen to his wife but final descisions are to
be made by him whenever possible.

A wife should never supercede her husbands authority,
unless the husband is not acting according to God's word.

God made man responsible as the head of the family.
Please provide chapter and verse
They are both equal, but the husband should always
make the final descision, unless he asks the wife to do
it for him.

God will hold the husbands responsible for what goes
wrong with their family.
Please provide chapter and verse
As far as the state is concerned they are both equal,
a man should listen to his wife but final descisions are to
be made by him whenever possible.

A wife should never supercede her husbands authority,
unless the husband is not acting according to God's word.

Genesis 3

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

the husband is appointed to rule ...

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

the husband is punished for doing what the wife suggested, *when contrary* to God's wishes ...

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

these verses refer to becoming a bishop or deacon, but being the head of the household is a pre-requisite.

1 Timothy 3
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

*responsible for their children's behavior as well ...

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

*responsible for their wife and childrens behavior ...
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

1 Peter 3
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

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Titus 2
1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Some good references, but some people may object to those that are from the old testament....seeing that the old testament has some punishments and guidelines as well, that seem extreme compared to today's times.

look again some are also from the new testament.

and satan will always get his followers to twist the truth into lies,
that is his specialty.

but it does not change the truth, just the perception of the truth.

Note: I am not advocating that a husband should dominate his wife.
A wifes purpose is to be a helper to her husband, and her opinions always to be considered. Wives are equal to their husbands but in subjection to his final ruling as long as it does not contradict God's will.

The problem is that these rules apply to christian wives, not non-christian wives. The non christian and rebellious women do not want to be subject to their husbands and often times are not even married in the first place, therefore not subjected to these rules, that go around advising the married women how to act with regard to their husband.

A married woman should not follow the advise of an un-married woman or man, further - these biblical rules apply to christian marriages. But many marriages are not christian marriages in the first place.

If a husband and/or wife does not beleive in the holy bible then they obviously won't follow the rules.

None are the teaching of Christ.

None are the teaching of Christ.


Matthew 5
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

he didn't come to destroy the law. in other words the laws still apply, even those that Jesus did not teach. You have to read the rest of the bible not just Jesus' words.

Jesus was often responding to questions, so if they did not ask about submission why would he just start preaching about submission.

I'm a little confused about something, bsm: what decisions are you talking about (with respect to today's Christian couples) that the husband or wife would make that are contradicting God's word? You see, many people twist what's true and try to manipulate a commandment (or guideline) in the Bible to suit their own desires.

For example, the wife wants to work; the husband wants her to be a stay-at-home mother and raise kids (this is assuming they don't already have kids). Since, according to you, the wife is supposed to be the husband's helper, is she then supposed to give in to his desires (even if she is not ready to become a mother) and sacrifice all of her personal ambition in order to raise a family - because he wants her to?

I feel that if the man has the final say in everything, and the wife can only offer input, then what point is there for her to say anything at all? Especially if her input doesn't influence his decision in any way?

George

For example, the wife wants to work; the husband wants her to be a stay-at-home mother and raise kids (this is assuming they don't already have kids). Since, according to you, the wife is supposed to be the husband's helper, is she then supposed to give in to his desires (even if she is not ready to become a mother) and sacrifice all of her personal ambition in order to raise a family - because he wants her to?

Not at all, she is not to blindly obey him, and he is not to force her to do anything.

I feel that if the man has the final say in everything, and the wife can only offer input, then what point is there for her to say anything at all? Especially if her input doesn't influence his decision in any way?



perhaps this link will clear it up ...
Question: “Does a wife have to submit to her husband?"
http://gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html

Matthew 5
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

he didn't come to destroy the law. in other words the laws still apply, even those that Jesus did not teach. You have to read the rest of the bible not just Jesus' words.

Jesus was often responding to questions, so if they did not ask about submission why would he just start preaching about submission.

I am lost with this post, I see no reference to what we are talking about. The relationship and responsibility between husband and wife.
What did Christ say of this relationship?