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natureboy2136
01-26-08, - 11:39 PM
My God this woman is sickening to see. Her and her husband. They will do anything to win it appears- even if winning means, fracturing the entire Democratic Party. This will happen and is happening.
As much as Obama, has tried to paint himself as a middle of the road candidate for the future, Clinton, has done real well in painting him as "The Black candidate". This has pissed off moderates universally as well as white and Hispanic voters, which has caused them to think that Obama feels this way. From the attacks on his previous work experience with a Chicago law firm, who happened to represent a “slum lord” client, from her saying that “He [Obama] is a young and inexperienced African American candidate”, from her husband, Billy Boy, who many claimed has been so instrumental for black people, even though New Orleans has shown us otherwise and poverty in America, still is disproportional between whites and blacks, saying that-“Obama, should quit this fairy tale”.
I think we have seen the best, or for that matter, the worst from the Clintons. I hope we see the last of them.
What makes these timed attacks worse, it seems as if every picture you saw Obama in, in South Carolina, he was surrounded by black supporters. Bear in mind, 50% of the voter in South Carolina is black, so he, nor she, could have avoided it.
Why else should non black Democrats be pissed?
We know it is turning those lily white, liberal pro-choice hags guts out- pun intended- to see a black man get to the top of history before they do- seeing how long they served on their knee's to the master, to even get to this point- pun also intended.
Also, we know how it must make Hispanics hopping mad, to see a black man dare to get to the top of America, while their race is trying to get to that pinnacle as well. Face it, the Hispanics always thought they were better than the blacks and, there was always racial tension. This election, has just pitted the two minorities against each other, in the most cruel and useless way. Thanks’ to Hillary and Bill, making Obama out to be the "Black candidate". But, like I said, the Hispanics always thought because of their color, they were better and more equipped to handle themselves in America, better than that of the blacks. That is yet to be seen and, I would welcome any Hispanic candidate, once he or she is able to speak clearly to the issues, and speak for all Americans.
They [the Clintons] have- and I am happy to say- sunk the democratic party and, there is no way they can come back united behind any leader, black white or Hispanic, after we have seen "race" still playing a factor in their minds. It’s just a shame that they have to take the first true blue and credible black candidate with them, along with the minorities and unions who he “used” appeal to, with them.
When speaking to my friends, and telling them that that the Democratic Party has been more racially motivated and prejudiced than that of the Republican Party, they have always said I am out of my mind and, the GOP has guys like Trent Lott, Bill Bennett and G. Bush. I always say to them; “just because the media spun their stories out of proportion and, Kanye West said it about Bush on air, does not make it true.”
At least with the GOP, you know where you stand. But with the Democrats, you see how blacks have been trained to be subservient to their white masters, all the while giving them some sense of accomplishment, but in reality, the glass ceiling is very much present in the Democratic Party and it is much more detrimental to their development, as with this recent open air spat, it appears to be falling in on them. The GOP gives everyone under the sun- white, black, Asian or Hispanic- the tough line. You know where you stand. And, from my experience, it is not about what color you are, but, how much capital you can command.
Clinton, Bill and Hillary, have shown you what they think and feel. For Bill saying and being labeled as “The first Black president", I think Bill and the people who labeled him, should take that back- or perhaps shouldn't they. What he is doing, sure seems like that n-word, with “dly” suffixed to it. Mr Obama has made history in America. No other black presidential candidate made it as far as he has. he will serve as an inspiration to alot of young blacks in America & all over the world. Eventhough i know he will never see the light of day as president in United states. In the history of America they only had 5 black senitors http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-02-il-ussenate_x.htm And 2 black govenors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick I find that hard to belive because blacks make up 12.9% of 301 million Americans. That's at lease 40 to 45 million black people.https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

SpamStopper
01-27-08, - 12:28 AM
Mr Obama has made history in America. No other black presidential candidate made it as far as he has. he will serve as an inspiration to alot of young blacks in America & all over the world. Eventhough i know he will never see the light of day as president in United states. In the history of America they only had 5 black senitors http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-02-il-ussenate_x.htm And 2 black govenors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick I find that hard to belive because blacks make up 12.9% of 301 million Americans. That's at lease 40 to 45 million black people.https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

Would have thought Colin Powel made history long time before him ... and Gee, Condi Rice!

Jaden
01-27-08, - 01:17 AM
Hmmm...I just don't like this "two-for-one" deal. Bill Clinton needs to go sit down somewhere. He's not helping his wife's campaign as much as he may think that he is. Nothing wrong with having a spouse who is vocal...especially as a former President...but his presence on the campaign trail is almost overbearing at times. And it comes off to the public as he and his wife tag-teaming and beating up on Obama. Hillary's a grown, experienced and intelligent woman...let her fight her own battles.

Teniel
01-27-08, - 02:26 AM
Mr Obama has made history in America. No other black presidential candidate made it as far as he has. he will serve as an inspiration to alot of young blacks in America & all over the world. Eventhough i know he will never see the light of day as president in United states. In the history of America they only had 5 black senitors http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-02-il-ussenate_x.htm And 2 black govenors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick I find that hard to belive because blacks make up 12.9% of 301 million Americans. That's at lease 40 to 45 million black people.https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html


Why is it that Blacks have such little faith in the success of other blacks? I have even heard numerous blacks predict that Obama will be assassinated if he ever becomes President. Why are blacks using his colour as a disability in his campaign to the White House, despite the fact that he is doing rather well? Yes, America is a very polarized country, but maybe if blacks changed the way they viewed themselves, the success that Obama hopes to achieve won't sound so far fetched and impossible.

round_robbin
01-27-08, - 10:46 AM
So is he the great black hope in the US like some mentioned Brent Symonette to be the great white hope here? SpamStopper just asking a question so dont rail on him bout he mussee racist.

He [Obama] is a candidate to me. A candidate with a real shot at winning. Better than most other candidates out there- Edwards and Giuliani included.

But, if we want to put it into perspective, there are not many blacks in the US senate- I think he is the only one- and, there aren't many in Governor's mansions'; if any. Both posts are prime launch pads into presidential bids because, as you can see, regular Congressional leaders just don't cut it.

However, I don't see, or, did not see Obama as "black", until Hillary and Bill made him black- seriously. Not that that had tainted my vote for him in that manner; “sympathy black support”. But, the racist twinge Hillary and Bill put on him, turned me off as did with South Carolina voters, because it was too gross. Of course we can see he is a black man. However, he won by 54% of the vote. 54% of the vote means that he had white and black support- if not rainbow coalition like support. I bet Asians came out and voted as well.

How does that relate to Symonette?
Symonette was the great white dream. When I say dream, he does not and never possessed the people savvy as an Obama. Obama is "articulate", keen on the issues and, does not bite his words like Bush or Symonette. Symonette, is a nice looking man, somewhat clean and has a leader-like look about him. But, the minute he opens his mouth, speech to the UN in particular, anyone can see that he has nothing going for him. He does not have a clear command of the English language and does not speak to the core issues.

So, the “great [insert your color of choice] hope” with Symonette and Obama, is over simplifying both candidates abilities.

natureboy2136
01-27-08, - 11:38 AM
Why is it that Blacks have such little faith in the success of other blacks? I have even heard numerous blacks predict that Obama will be assassinated if he ever becomes President. Why are blacks using his colour as a disability in his campaign to the White House, despite the fact that he is doing rather well? Yes, America is a very polarized country, but maybe if blacks changed the way they viewed themselves, the success that Obama hopes to achieve won't sound so far fetched and impossible.Wishful thinking.

round_robbin
01-27-08, - 11:52 AM
Would have thought Colin Powel made history long time before him ... and Gee, Condi Rice!

He did make history on top of Jesse Jackson as well.

SpamStopper
01-27-08, - 12:05 PM
He [Obama] is a candidate to me. A candidate with a real shot at winning. Better than most other candidates out there- Edwards and Giuliani included.
But, if we want to put it into perspective, there are not many blacks in the US senate- I think he is the only one- and, there aren't many in Governor's mansions'; if any. Both posts are prime launch pads into presidential bids because, as you can see, regular Congressional leaders just don't cut it.
However, I don't see, or, did not see Obama as "black", until Hillary and Bill made him black- seriously. Not that that had tainted my vote for him in that manner; “sympathy black support”. But, the racist twinge Hillary and Bill put on him, turned me off as did with South Carolina voters, because it was too gross. Of course we can see he is a black man. However, he won by 54% of the vote. 54% of the vote means that he had white and black support- if not rainbow coalition like support. I bet Asians came out and voted as well.
How does that relate to Symonette?
Symonette was the great white dream. When I say dream, he does not and never possessed the people savvy as an Obama. Obama is "articulate", keen on the issues and, does not bite his words like Bush or Symonette. Symonette, is a nice looking man, somewhat clean and has a leader-like look about him. But, the minute he opens his mouth, speech to the UN in particular, anyone can see that he has nothing going for him. He does not have a clear command of the English language and does not speak to the core issues.
So, the “great [insert your color of choice] hope” with Symonette and Obama, is over simplifying both candidates abilities.

Thanks. That was a good answer :)

nationbuilder
01-27-08, - 12:43 PM
Why is it that Blacks have such little faith in the success of other blacks? I have even heard numerous blacks predict that Obama will be assassinated if he ever becomes President. Why are blacks using his colour as a disability in his campaign to the White House, despite the fact that he is doing rather well? Yes, America is a very polarized country, but maybe if blacks changed the way they viewed themselves, the success that Obama hopes to achieve won't sound so far fetched and impossible.
I agree totally.

lovechild1996
01-27-08, - 03:47 PM
Why is it that Blacks have such little faith in the success of other blacks? I have even heard numerous blacks predict that Obama will be assassinated if he ever becomes President. Why are blacks using his colour as a disability in his campaign to the White House, despite the fact that he is doing rather well? Yes, America is a very polarized country, but maybe if blacks changed the way they viewed themselves, the success that Obama hopes to achieve won't sound so far fetched and impossible.



Agreed: He could make history and becomes the first Arfician American President and I am praying for him GO OBAMA GO

Sunnyjohn
01-27-08, - 03:57 PM
He [Obama] is a candidate to me. A candidate with a real shot at winning. Better than most other candidates out there- Edwards and Giuliani included.
But, if we want to put it into perspective, there are not many blacks in the US senate- I think he is the only one- and, there aren't many in Governor's mansions'; if any. Both posts are prime launch pads into presidential bids because, as you can see, regular Congressional leaders just don't cut it.
However, I don't see, or, did not see Obama as "black", until Hillary and Bill made him black- seriously. Not that that had tainted my vote for him in that manner; “sympathy black support”. But, the racist twinge Hillary and Bill put on him, turned me off as did with South Carolina voters, because it was too gross. Of course we can see he is a black man. However, he won by 54% of the vote. 54% of the vote means that he had white and black support- if not rainbow coalition like support. I bet Asians came out and voted as well.

How does that relate to Symonette?
Symonette was the great white dream. When I say dream, he does not and never possessed the people savvy as an Obama. Obama is "articulate", keen on the issues and, does not bite his words like Bush or Symonette. Symonette, is a nice looking man, somewhat clean and has a leader-like look about him. But, the minute he opens his mouth, speech to the UN in particular, anyone can see that he has nothing going for him. He does not have a clear command of the English language and does not speak to the core issues.
So, the “great [insert your color of choice] hope” with Symonette and Obama, is over simplifying both candidates abilities.


*sunny pulling out her Family Fued voice and clap*

Good Answer! Good Answer!

I worked with the man on his senate campaign. You know he is black when you look at him, Michelle and the girls, but his race is the last thing you see when you really talk to and get to know him.


When his Asian sister and lil white grandmother come strolling in
it is easy to forget.:p

It's more than race. I am tired of the nonsense and rudness.I like that he respects people and does not demonize the folks he does not agree with.

I am sorely disappointed with the nonsense coming out of Bill Clinton this go around.


Barack or even dat closet meaney McCain will do me just fine, thank you very much!

round_robbin
01-27-08, - 07:38 PM
*sunny pulling out her Family Fued voice and clap*
Good Answer! Good Answer!
I worked with the man on his senate campaign. You know he is black when you look at him, Michelle and the girls, but his race is the last thing you see when you really talk to and get to know him.
When his Asian sister and lil white grandmother come strolling in
it is easy to forget.:p
It's more than race. I am tired of the nonsense and rudness.I like that he respects people and does not demonize the folks he does not agree with.
I am sorely disappointed with the nonsense coming out of Bill Clinton this go around.
Barack or even dat closet meaney McCain will do me just fine, thank you very much!

McCain is that man. He is the man to beat. It looks like, and to be honest, a McCain/Romney ticket. Perhaps even a McCain/Paul ticket is doable but a McCain/Romney looks like the team in 08 for the GOP.

Obama needs a running mate. There are MANY, senior Democrats who would rather him over Clinton and support him- Gore and Kerry are key figures. Edwards would make a great second as well. Gore or Kennedy may not run with him but, they would talk people into going the distance with him.

Sunnyjohn
01-28-08, - 12:42 PM
McCain is that man. He is the man to beat. It looks like, and to be honest, a McCain/Romney ticket. Perhaps even a McCain/Paul ticket is doable but a McCain/Romney looks like the team in 08 for the GOP.
Obama needs a running mate. There are MANY, senior Democrats who would rather him over Clinton and support him- Gore and Kerry are key figures. Edwards would make a great second as well. Gore or Kennedy may not run with him but, they would talk people into going the distance with him.


If Barak gets the nod I think he will go with Gov.Bill Richards (D,NM) ,Governor Rod R. Blagojevich (D,IL), or Senator Evan Bayh (D,IN).

He might pick a woman, but I won't mention her name on the forums....

round_robbin
01-28-08, - 05:53 PM
If Barak gets the nod I think he will go with Gov.Bill Richards (D,NM) ,Governor Rod R. Blagojevich (D,IL), or Senator Evan Bayh (D,IN).
He might pick a woman, but I won't mention her name on the forums....

Those guys are duds if you ask me. His best bet is Edwards or Kerry- for star power.

I am surprised Fox news has not mistakenly spelt "Obama" as "Osama"....hehehehehehehehehehehe

Honest mistake!
:)

islandgyal
01-28-08, - 06:04 PM
If Barak gets the nod I think he will go with Gov.Bill Richards (D,NM) ,Governor Rod R. Blagojevich (D,IL), or Senator Evan Bayh (D,IN).
He might pick a woman, but I won't mention her name on the forums....

if he goes with richardson, he is as good as measuring curtains for the west wing :cutie: ... he'd get california, florida and texas in a landslide.