View Full Version : OBIE - New PLP Deputy Leader ?
watsayu 01-31-08, - 09:04 PM Sources deep within the belly of the PLP has informed that Parry “the master intellect” Christie has made a deal with BJ Nottage. The deal includes the fact that BJ will not oppose Parry at the PLP up coming convention. As part of the olive branch, Parry and BJ has also agreed to allow Obie the MP for West End to be nominated as the PLPs Deputy Leader. Obie will go unopposed.
What does this mean? It means that Parry will go in unopposed and his deputy as well, Obie Wilchombe.
In my view wrong move… I say Parry should encourage any one who wants to be leader to run. I am sure Parry has the delegate strength to worth off any opposition from BJ. Further it would should that Parry is not afraid to be challenged or is not a whim as he is known in political circles. Also, this move of BJ not opposing Parry for the sake of party unity shows that BJ himself is just a bloody opportunist.
BJ backed out before and he later regretted it... this time in my view it will show that his decision to leave the PLP and formed the CDR has serious implications for him. I am of the view that if he opposes Parry he will be seen as a spoiler among PLPs... but if he does not oppose Parry among many Bahamians, he would be know to be an opportunists who lost an opportunity to demonstrate that he has the courage to do what he need to do to show that he is a leader.
I told you before, Parry has made a deal with Jerome Fritzgerald to be the leader of the PLP in 2012 and now to allow Obie Wilchombe to be the Deputy Leader of the PLP at convention 2007.
But we should be careful, the PLP is mindful of one thing. Mudda Pratt, the current leader of the PLP. She is not up to the task anymore, so I guess Parry cannot hang on to mudda’s “gown tail anymore”, well we talking about OBIE so it is anyone's guess, he may still have his wish...LOL.
So Parry need to appeal to the BJ camp and making Obie his deputy is on sure way in the mind of Parry Christie to hold off the opposition to him and try to get Kenyatta Gibson back. Obie has promised to bring KG back. And this is part of the whole package.
The upcoming months will be extremely interesting days in our beloved Bahamas... I am enjoying it.
Wait Watch and See... It eeen long now…!!!!!!
12play 02-01-08, - 10:58 AM Lurker mentioned the dark horse Fitzgerald before in another thread, but what is strange is that JF claimed that he was surprised that he was even asked by the PLP leadership to sit as a Senator. Either JF is playin' us, or that compliments and sweet talk has swelled his head. How is it that folk who otherwise led undistinguished lives, feel that they can accomplish anything once they have have sat around the table? Is it possible that they realise that it is all just smoke and mirrors anyway, and the folk that they thought were awesome are in fact ordinary and inept, and that they are eyewitnesses to the fact?
Lurker 02-01-08, - 11:46 AM the folk that they thought were awesome are in fact ordinary and inept, and that they are eyewitnesses to the fact?
This should be engraved in stone. It is the God's truth.
I was speaking with an old man whose name everyone would recognize. He has been labelled as the architect of the modern Bahamas. He told me that once Ping realised that no one was going to admonish him for criminality (England, the electorate, the United States), then he realised that the teacher had left the kindergarten, and he was the school bully who could rule the roost and do whatever he pleased.
And this is what tees me off about the PLP. They will never move forward until they acknowledge to the Bahamian people, that they have grievously sinned against the Bahamian people, and that they are responsible for the torn social fabric because they in the era of Pingdom, were the largest facilitators of drug trafickers in the world at the time, and the lot of them were criminals, because by their silence they were complicit in the criminality.
watsayu 02-01-08, - 12:19 PM This should be engraved in stone. It is the God's truth.
I was speaking with an old man whose name everyone would recognize. He has been labelled as the architect of the modern Bahamas. He told me that once Ping realised that no one was going to admonish him for criminality (England, the electorate, the United States), then he realised that the teacher had left the kindergarten, and he was the school bully who could rule the roost and do whatever he pleased.
And this is what tees me off about the PLP. They will never move forward until they acknowledge to the Bahamian people, that they have grievously sinned against the Bahamian people, and that they are responsible for the torn social fabric because they in the era of Pingdom, were the largest facilitators of drug trafickers in the world at the time, and the lot of them were criminals, because by their silence they were complicit in the criminality.Lurker, you are so right.. . I guess I am trying to forget the whole events of how the PLP misused and abused so many people that were close to me, that sometimes I find myself... just ... boy, I tell ya.. you can forgive, even forget.. but you can never.. (as for me) never, forget how you felt at the time .. when you saw your mother crying or had to endure the hurt she had to because she said she was not voting PLP ....
Regadless, she held to her views and as such...
it was a painful time...I try to forget.. but I just cannot get over it.. I do try...
canesfins 02-01-08, - 12:25 PM I thought the 1980s ended 20 years ago - they have no bearing on today.
watsayu 02-01-08, - 12:30 PM I thought the 1980s ended 20 years ago - they have no bearing on today.This is where PLPs have gone wrong.. what we are reeping today is a result of the 1980s... so sad for PLPs they had fail to see the error of their ways...
Getting back to the subject, I would be disappointed if Obie does not contest for the leadership of that party. Here's why; he would represent a change from the old guard of Pindlings era to the new generation of bahamians. This in itself I believe would create new excitement about that party.
Perry and HI represent the old generation and the country needs to move ahead with newer thinking and younger blood leading the way. The people of Obie's generation (those 25-50) represent the most educated generation of Bahamians ever, when are they going to lead and stop following?
islandgyal 02-01-08, - 12:51 PM This should be engraved in stone. It is the God's truth.
I was speaking with an old man whose name everyone would recognize. He has been labelled as the architect of the modern Bahamas. He told me that once Ping realised that no one was going to admonish him for criminality (England, the electorate, the United States), then he realised that the teacher had left the kindergarten, and he was the school bully who could rule the roost and do whatever he pleased.
And this is what tees me off about the PLP. They will never move forward until they acknowledge to the Bahamian people, that they have grievously sinned against the Bahamian people, and that they are responsible for the torn social fabric because they in the era of Pingdom, were the largest facilitators of drug trafickers in the world at the time, and the lot of them were criminals, because by their silence they were complicit in the criminality.
absolutely with you on the social fabric torn to shreds, but i think your head would explode were you to understand how many of those same big-time drug traffickers of the 1960s, 70s and 80s were former ubp and current fnm, and are some of our biggest businesspeople in place today.
i think we need as a COUNTRY and society to recognize the wreckage left behind as a result of the underground drug economy, not hold our breath and wait for the nominal PLP contingent for a mea culpa. instead, we continue to glorify the gangsta, and spend the wrong kind of money keeping up that kind of image.
the criminality was rampant because it was useful, ESPECIALLY in the underdeveloped out islands at the time. the economy in the u.s. always impacts the economy of the bahamas, and the early days of the medellin cartel were no exception. many countries in the region facilitated the drug traffic because they had no real choice, but the bahamas was premiere because of its location to the u.s. in terms of access.
round_robbin 02-01-08, - 12:59 PM absolutely with you on the social fabric torn to shreds, but i think your head would explode were you to understand how many of those same big-time drug traffickers of the 1960s, 70s and 80s were former ubp and current fnm, and are some of our biggest businesspeople in place today.
The Bahamas, from prohibition days, has been a haven for illegality. Sands and Symonette, were raw borne mafioso. Period. We should move past this sillyness as, the FNM government that took over in 1992, with their ineptness and their lack of detail, made the situation worse, by actually trying to fix things, they knew nothing about actually fixing.
i think we need as a COUNTRY and society to recognize the wreckage left behind as a result of the underground drug economy, not hold our breath and wait for the nominal PLP contingent for a mea culpa. instead, we continue to glorify the gangsta, and spend the wrong kind of money keeping up that kind of image.
the criminality was rampant because it was useful, ESPECIALLY in the underdeveloped out islands at the time. the economy in the u.s. always impacts the economy of the bahamas, and the early days of the medellin cartel were no exception.
I think we need to realize that tha drug economy, is why many of us are where we are today- along with- the prohibition days. Drugs, was made something of ill-repute in the 1970s. It was a US made scourge because, it was less sexy than that of alchohol or gambling. All three of them are harmful vices. But, as we speak, California has up Marijuana vending machines, for people with "medical conditions". Now that you think of it, I have been sick for years- hehehehehehe....
Look. The major problem with the Bahamas, is the fact that we have an American culture, which was a definite faster paced econo-culture, than that of the British culture we lived under. The advent of television and mass communications, made a total and unrelenting onslaught on the Bahamian psyche and fashion- we have not put up proper controls on that- for us to moderate the neccesary fundamentals, for a well functioning democracy.
We have more issues than the people on this thread, trying to mention drugs with every mention of PLP. Quit putting lies and foolishness, about our leadership and country, on the google search engine.
12play 02-01-08, - 01:01 PM This should be engraved in stone. It is the God's truth.
I was speaking with an old man whose name everyone would recognize. He has been labelled as the architect of the modern Bahamas. He told me that once Ping realised that no one was going to admonish him for criminality (England, the electorate, the United States), then he realised that the teacher had left the kindergarten, and he was the school bully who could rule the roost and do whatever he pleased.
And this is what tees me off about the PLP. They will never move forward until they acknowledge to the Bahamian people, that they have grievously sinned against the Bahamian people, and that they are responsible for the torn social fabric because they in the era of Pingdom, were the largest facilitators of drug trafickers in the world at the time, and the lot of them were criminals, because by their silence they were complicit in the criminality.
A relative of mine who was there shared some stories that has a direct result on why the public service and the corporations have the culture that they do. I was told that Pindling and his closest pals indulged their vices with young girls in the family islands. The young girls lined up outside according to this claimed eye witness, and went in one at a time for days on end to indulge in the vices of sex and gawd knows what else, and all for jobs and favours. Yep, they destroyed the moral fibre according to the witness by destroying the hope and dreams of the innocent, whom they should have been protecting. I was also told about the blatant rip off of the Public treasury through kickbacks and extortion and outright theft. I do not know if all this is true, but those who know the truth should tell their stories publicly before they die.
Lurker 02-01-08, - 01:10 PM absolutely with you on the social fabric torn to shreds, but i think your head would explode were you to understand how many of those same big-time drug traffickers of the 1960s, 70s and 80s were former ubp and current fnm, and are some of our biggest businesspeople in place today.
What you absolutely fail to acknowledge in your secret PLP bias is that Lynden Oscar Swindling had a mandate from the most sacred of all mandates,his people to govern, to abide by the law and to uphold the law.
He was a thug in the kindergarten.
The FNM were not in power then. If they were drug trafickers, Swindling should have jailed them.
None of the others had the responsibility to keep the Bahamas on the right track, but Pindling did, and that is why he was no better than Mugabe, or any other of those tinpot criminals of ex-Colonies.
Talk dat gyal -- and get rid of yer PLP bias! Pingdom had the sacred responsibilty, and he was a lawless tyrant.
What you absolutely fail to acknowledge in your secret PLP bias is that Lynden Oscar Swindling had a mandate from the most sacred of all mandates,his people to govern, to abide by the law and to uphold the law.
He was a thug in the kindergarten.
The FNM were not in power then. If they were drug trafickers, Swindling should have jailed them.
None of the others had the responsibility to keep the Bahamas on the right track, but Pindling did, and that is why he was no better than Mugabe, or any other of those tinpot criminals of ex-Colonies.
Talk dat gyal -- and get rid of yer PLP bias! Pingdom had the sacred responsibilty, and he was a lawless tyrant.
Ping is DEAD and ain't comin back no time soon. When can't move forward if we keep looking back. I don't care what the PLP did back then, we have to deal with what we facing today and tomorrow. Of even greater concern is where the FNM is taking the country.
Get off what has been, we need leadership with vision and imaginative ideas that will move this country forward by inspiring all of our people to come together.
watsayu 02-01-08, - 01:23 PM Ping is DEAD and ain't comin back no time soon. When can't move forward if we keep looking back. I don't care what the PLP did back then, we have to deal with what we facing today and tomorrow. Of even greater concern is where the FNM is taking the country.
Get off what has been, we need leadership with vision and imaginative ideas that will move this country forward by inspiring all of our people to come together.Yea, that is your wish.. you will never see. it.. we live in a counrty where we have rights and despite the PLPs trying to stiffle that.. we have an open society.. so eat your lunch .. we will never forget.. never, evver...
Lurker 02-01-08, - 01:24 PM Get off what has been,
What has been is why we are here today. If we want to move forward, we have to acknowledge the past, and stop honouring Ping.
And the sheeple, my fellow Bahamians cannot stand that truth, cannot acknowledge that truth, and cannot bear the shame of that truth. And that is why, my friend, the Bahamas een going nowhere fast.
Just like the statues of Saddam, pull down the glories to Swindling.
ANd close the damn webshops, and put FLowers and Percy in Jail along with the other swindlers in high places.
I have not asked anyone to forget anything but know this, the same time you spend crying about what you say was done to you and yours, is the same time you could spend doing something to make the country a better place.
Pind had is faults like everyone else in particular Leaders so it's easier to magnify those but if you wish to cast stones at him for his faults, then you should also give him flowers for good that he did.
As I said before Politics is a game that one should know before getting in people play by their own rules because it's all about what's in their interest that would ensure attaining power and keeping power. Ping/Hubert/Perry were no different in this regard.
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