No Movement On LNG Proposals
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=15693

I am a little disappointed in this. Certainly we can come to a comomn and safe compromise on what services we will allow to be conducted in our jurisdiction. Trinidad is raking it in with LNG.

Did you guys know that all Dallas city buses run on LNG?


The DART fleet uses the alternative fuel.

Jes a lil sumtin'...

I am a little disappointed in this. Certainly we can come to a comomn and safe compromise on what services we will allow to be conducted in our jurisdiction. Trinidad is raking it in with LNG.

I read in the Sun-Sentinel a month ago, Florida said "No Way" to it being 10 miles off their shore. Balls in our hands.

I am a little disappointed in this. Certainly we can come to a comomn and safe compromise on what services we will allow to be conducted in our jurisdiction. Trinidad is raking it in with LNG.


Making even more since it is their own NG they are liquifying. What a win-win all around for them.


I STRONGLY support environmental issues, but LNG can be done safely and with less environmental impact.

With all the cays we have in the NW Bahamas, it seems we could have set this thing up and STILL protected our ecosystem...


Ah well, back to doing chest compressions and using the AED on the dead tourism goose....

I read in the Sun-Sentinel a month ago, Florida said "No Way" to it being 10 miles off their shore. Balls in our hands.
Naw, we have no balls.

Seriously, LNG is most likely stalled because it is nor understood. Not calling anyone stupid, but our leaders and our people can wrap themselves around torusim products.


Newer ideas like LNG take some explaining. It does not help that the groups who pitch the ideas often send eggheads who haven't the foggiest idea how to explain the concept simply or navigate the treacherous sea of Bahamian influence.

Making even more since it is their own NG they are liquifying. What a win-win all around for them.
I STRONGLY support environmental issues, but LNG can be done safely and with less environmental impact.
With all the cays we have in the NW Bahamas, it seems we could have set this thing up and STILL protected our ecosystem...
Ah well, back to doing chest compressions and using the AED on the dead tourism goose....

Some of my problems with the proposed LNG facilities and pipeline are:
Environmental damage done due to construction....like digging a pipeline right through a large coral reef system.

I don't believe BEST has developed proper environmental safegaurds or is ready to handle a potential negative environmental impact.

Totally against drilling for LNG (on that part I'm confused if the facility will be doing that), because we should save those reserves for our own eventual consumption here in the Bahamas.

These big LNG/oil companies don't give 2 hoots about the Bahamas....they just want to get around high costs in the states and then when they done they can just walk away from us or if there is a environmental problem just keep the issue tied up in courts for decades without resolution. Simply, I don't trust AES or any of the bidding companies.

Also, I think given the magnitude of the project, Bahamians should be able to vote on this issue. Floridians got to vote on it.

We should be able to vote on if we are willing to saddle the initial environmental damage (the pipeline through our reefs, the dredging for the channels of big LNG boats, the negative effects of large amounts of cool water being pumped into the ocean, etc), the possible disasters such as terrorist attacks (how is the defense force going to defend the pipeline and all those LNG tankers, in the states coast guard ships protect them) and environmental disasters (either AES or one of the bidders is still in court over an oil spill/leak in Dominican Republic), and also possibly (once again I'm still not clear on this point) if these foreign companies should be able to take our reserves of LNG (if we have any) or if we should hold on to them for our eventual consumption......natural resources are finite and we will need to get our power from somewhere in the future.

Some of my problems with the proposed LNG facilities and pipeline are:
Environmental damage done due to construction....like digging a pipeline right through a large coral reef system.
I don't believe BEST has developed proper environmental safegaurds or is ready to handle a potential negative environmental impact.
Totally against drilling for LNG (on that part I'm confused if the facility will be doing that), because we should save those reserves for our own eventual consumption here in the Bahamas.

These big LNG/oil companies don't give 2 hoots about the Bahamas....they just want to get around high costs in the states and then when they done they can just walk away from us or if there is a environmental problem just keep the issue tied up in courts for decades without resolution. Simply, I don't trust AES or any of the bidding companies.

Also, I think given the magnitude of the project, Bahamians should be able to vote on this issue. Floridians got to vote on it.

We should be able to vote on if we are willing to saddle the initial environmental damage (the pipeline through our reefs, the dredging for the channels of big LNG boats, the negative effects of large amounts of cool water being pumped into the ocean, etc), the possible disasters such as terrorist attacks (how is the defense force going to defend the pipeline and all those LNG tankers, in the states coast guard ships protect them) and environmental disasters (either AES or one of the bidders is still in court over an oil spill/leak in Dominican Republic), and also possibly (once again I'm still not clear on this point) if these foreign companies should be able to take our reserves of LNG (if we have any) or if we should hold on to them for our eventual consumption......natural resources are finite and we will need to get our power from somewhere in the future.


You are right, The DON"T give two hoots about us OR our ecosystem.


I saw we find our OWN partners and drill for our OWN NG.

A few drilling comapanies have developed sesmic technology that can tellyou exactly were to drill and map a spot for ecological priniting down to the last grain of sand.

Own it all, just like Trinidad. That way we keep tight environmental controls, make profit on selling the gas AND diversify the economy.

BTW, the Bahamas needs to look to solar and wind power for its future electrical needs. Sell the majority of the LNG to the suckers "in da West" who jones for it like crack and let us become carbon fuel independent.

Imagine if we did not have to buy oil to fuel those power generators. The money from that saving would make us RICH!

The US Coast Guard just shot down an offshore LNG facility proposal due to vessel traffic concerns.

It was just going to be a floating terminal for offload of gas, not a regassification facility.

The ball is bouncing around in our court, but the gravity of the situation is making it bounce less and less each time.

If there was a way to ensure that cold water discharge was warmed (or discharged at a depth of similar tempurature), it negates all but terrorist and explosion hazards.

The US Coast Guard just shot down an offshore LNG facility proposal due to vessel traffic concerns.
It was just going to be a floating terminal for offload of gas, not a regassification facility.
The ball is bouncing around in our court, but the gravity of the situation is making it bounce less and less each time.
If there was a way to ensure that cold water discharge was warmed (or discharged at a depth of similar tempurature), it negates all but terrorist and explosion hazards.

that's because sunny's cracked 'eggheads' in charge can't be bothered to do any real research on the subject :) ... who on earth would propose installing such a terminal in the middle of the gulf stream in the first place, you might wonder?

seems to me that the bahamas has excellent locations for such a setup off islands such as inagua and mayaguana as just two examples, with exceptional ports nearby. what with the advances in geothermal (ocean water currents) technology at the moment, trinidad is all but offsetting the most obvious terrorist and explosion hazards.

LNG would work for a lot of people, but the eejits who wanted to stick it near cat cay really need to avail themselves of the fine services available at sandilands :cutie:. but what do we wimmon know, anyway???

Some of my problems with the proposed LNG facilities and pipeline are:
Environmental damage done due to construction....like digging a pipeline right through a large coral reef system.

See my post above - if water is either warmed or discharged at a lower depth, it isn't an issue.


I don't believe BEST has developed proper environmental safegaurds or is ready to handle a potential negative environmental impact.

BEST is more than a way for people to grease the wheel?


Totally against drilling for LNG (on that part I'm confused if the facility will be doing that), because we should save those reserves for our own eventual consumption here in the Bahamas.

The LNG regas facility is totally different from gas speculators that want to drill in the Bahamas.


These big LNG/oil companies don't give 2 hoots about the Bahamas....they just want to get around high costs in the states and then when they done they can just walk away from us or if there is a environmental problem just keep the issue tied up in courts for decades without resolution. Simply, I don't trust AES or any of the bidding companies.
Also, I think given the magnitude of the project, Bahamians should be able to vote on this issue. Floridians got to vote on it.

That is where the issue of due diligence comes in. Everyone needs to be educated on what it entails, what are the risks and what are the benefits. A vote isn't a bad idea, but I'd be suprised if HI wants to try another referendum. In order for a referendum vote to take place, the gov't has to endorse the project which they haven't done yet.


We should be able to vote on if we are willing to saddle the initial environmental damage (the pipeline through our reefs,
Pipe can be laid well below a reefline, under the bottom of the sea. I don't know if that's what is proposed, but it can be done.


the dredging for the channels of big LNG boats,
May not be needed if an offshore dolphin is used


the negative effects of large amounts of cool water being pumped into the ocean, etc), the possible disasters such as terrorist attacks (how is the defense force going to defend the pipeline and all those LNG tankers, in the states coast guard ships protect them)

I am assuming that the facility operators would have to provide their own security, or contribute to a RBDF fund that allows Bahamians to patrol the area.


and environmental disasters (either AES or one of the bidders is still in court over an oil spill/leak in Dominican Republic),

Gas doesn't spill. Leaks go to atmosphere. I understand your point though!


and also possibly (once again I'm still not clear on this point) if these foreign companies should be able to take our reserves of LNG (if we have any) or if we should hold on to them for our eventual consumption......natural resources are finite and we will need to get our power from somewhere in the future.

As I said, I don't think possible Bahamian gas resources are in contention here. This is for the importation of foreign liquid natural gas (probably South American), conversion to gaseous state and distribution to Florida.


IF local gas fields are found, the sale of that gas could make the Bahamas quite wealthy. Quebec sells the majority of its hydroelectric power to places like New York and Vermont for example. Now is not the time to consider drilling in the Bahamas, but we need to really consider something that isn't tourism dependent.

that's because sunny's cracked 'eggheads' in charge can't be bothered to do any real research on the subject :) ... who on earth would propose installing such a terminal in the middle of the gulf stream in the first place, you might wonder?
seems to me that the bahamas has excellent locations for such a setup off islands such as inagua and mayaguana as just two examples, with exceptional ports nearby. what with the advances in geothermal (ocean water currents) technology at the moment, trinidad is all but offsetting the most obvious terrorist and explosion hazards.
LNG would work for a lot of people, but the eejits who wanted to stick it near cat cay really need to avail themselves of the fine services available at sandilands :cutie:. but what do we wimmon know, anyway???


Mayaguana you say?

Hmmm....

That sure would move the Family Island development we keep clamoring about...


I suppose they are cheap and want the shortest pipeline possible and are lazy and haven't looked at the latest geothermal research.

You are right, The DON"T give two hoots about us OR our ecosystem.
I saw we find our OWN partners and drill for our OWN NG.
A few drilling comapanies have developed sesmic technology that can tellyou exactly were to drill and map a spot for ecological priniting down to the last grain of sand.
Own it all, just like Trinidad. That way we keep tight environmental controls, make profit on selling the gas AND diversify the economy.

Trinidad does not own it all - many of the top oil companies own pieces in it. Trinidad also has a much established oil and gas operation, the Bahamas has nothing. We dont have the expertise or experience to get into this for ourselves. The proposal is twofold:

1) a transhipment port
2) a pipeline

The pipeline does not have to go through coral reefs. I encourage everyone to read the AES environmental proposal on teh BEST website. It is very well prepared and includes a ton of information. Please read it before posting mis-informed statements.

As I said, I don't think possible Bahamian gas resources are in contention here. This is for the importation of foreign liquid natural gas (probably South American), conversion to gaseous state and distribution to Florida.


IF local gas fields are found, the sale of that gas could make the Bahamas quite wealthy. Quebec sells the majority of its hydroelectric power to places like New York and Vermont for example. Now is not the time to consider drilling in the Bahamas, but we need to really consider something that isn't tourism dependent.

Yes the companies proposing LNG are proposing brining in South American natural gas.


IMO, we do have natural gas field and oil fields. Look at that big find near the Gulf last year. Jesus will have to come of the cross and tellme different.

Should we drill for it? Lets get this first proposal of the ground first by laying down proper environmental laws and regulatory oversight then we can talk....