http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4036.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4052.asp

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Cool stuff! let's sit back and see how twisted the responses will be to this...if there are any...... :fly:

Hey thats cool
Thou shalt not kill.

HHHHmmmmm
what did Christians do to people they accused of being witches??
To bad the Christians did not read that before they started murdering people to extinction.

yep. to bad.

and to think that murder is forbidden by the commandment:

Thou shalt not kill.

strange christians indeed, glad they came to their senses
on that issue.

yep. to bad.

and to think that murder is forbidden by the commandment:

Thou shalt not kill.

strange christians indeed, glad they came to their senses
on that issue.

They must also cone to their senses on the issue of equality that Christ taught.
Do unto other as you would have them do unto you.
If you don't want laws to tell you who you can and can't marry. How can you have laws that tell others who they can and can't marry.

Bsm, you've posted an interesting topic, but you would have to admit that this line of thinking can be a bit flawed. For example, let's assume (for argument's sake) that these cartoons refer to the way that schools are run in the United States. If these schools influenced every child, do you not think that all children in the US public school system would be running around trying to kill people?

Bsm, I think the onus is on the parents more than the schools to teach proper moral codes to children. After all, in the US (and in numerous other countries), there are children of many faiths (and I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that) and imposing religion on them would be rather unfair, don't you think? As you may believe, the sun rises and falls on Christianity; Don't be complacent in thinking that people of different persuasions don't believe exactly the same thing about their religions.

Bsm, you've posted an interesting topic, but you would have to admit that this line of thinking can be a bit flawed. For example, let's assume (for argument's sake) that these cartoons refer to the way that schools are run in the United States. If these schools influenced every child, do you not think that all children in the US public school system would be running around trying to kill people?

Bsm, I think the onus is on the parents more than the schools to teach proper moral codes to children. After all, in the US (and in numerous other countries), there are children of many faiths (and I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that) and imposing religion on them would be rather unfair, don't you think? As you may believe, the sun rises and falls on Christianity; Don't be complacent in thinking that people of different persuasions don't believe exactly the same thing about their religions.


I did not mean to imply that christianity is the only way to solve society's ills, nor that it would affect every individual in the same way.

The problem I beleive is that some persons get too extreme and zealous about their beliefs and even kill other people.

as vicky liketo point out christians killed people back in the day, the alkaida kills people today - but they aren't christians. They are extremists, and should be restricted from going around harming people.

The purpose of religion is not suppose to be harming persons, but to lead them to righteousness. Everyone has freewill but should we allow them to do as they please when they harm society - directly or indirectly?

Just as vicky will debate that same gender marriages should be a legal right, shouldn't prostitution be legalized too - it is based on 2 consenting adults having sexual relations - nobody is getting hurt after all right?

but when you look deeper, you see that it causes problems with the prostitutes later down - usually not physically but mentally.

and would you really want your daughter or girlfriend to be lawfully allowed to sell sexual favors as much as they wanted as long as they are consenting to it and are of legal age?

I did not mean to imply that christianity is the only way to solve society's ills, nor that it would affect every individual in the same way.

The problem I beleive is that some persons get too extreme and zealous about their beliefs and even kill other people.

as vicky liketo point out christians killed people back in the day, the alkaida kills people today - but they aren't christians. They are extremists, and should be restricted from going around harming people.

The purpose of religion is not suppose to be harming persons, but to lead them to righteousness. Everyone has freewill but should we allow them to do as they please when they harm society - directly or indirectly?

Just as vicky will debate that same gender marriages should be a legal right, shouldn't prostitution be legalized too - it is based on 2 consenting adults having sexual relations - nobody is getting hurt after all right?

but when you look deeper, you see that it causes problems with the prostitutes later down - usually not physically but mentally.
Problems like working in a coal mine. or working at a garbage dump. There are other high stress jobs that can cause mental problem as well. Emergency room medical staff. May be we should out law them as well.

and would you really want your daughter or girlfriend to be lawfully allowed to sell sexual favors as much as they wanted as long as they are consenting to it and are of legal age?

Her body her life she just better try and be the best she can be at what ever she does. Oh How about the Geisha of Japan honored women.

The purpose of religion is not suppose to be harming persons, but to lead them to righteousness. Everyone has freewill but should we allow them to do as they please when they harm society - directly or indirectly?

Just as vicky will debate that same gender marriages should be a legal right, shouldn't prostitution be legalized too - it is based on 2 consenting adults having sexual relations - nobody is getting hurt after all right?

but when you look deeper, you see that it causes problems with the prostitutes later down - usually not physically but mentally.



What about the fact that countries with legalized prostitution have lower murder, teenage pregnancy, and AIDs rates? Our social ills have nothing to do with the threat of prostitution.

The "how to build a bomb" cartoon is a very simplistic answer to a very complicated question. Many people who don't believe the Bible do not kill, or become a bomb. Many stone cold killers are Christians, or at least claim to be.

Violent behavior has a psychological component. One does not need a Bible, one needs psychological help, only then can one see clearly enough to use the Bible as it should be used.

History has shown us that there is no killers like the ones armed with a Holy Book - look at those guys in Islam!

I did not mean to imply that christianity is the only way to solve society's ills, nor that it would affect every individual in the same way.

Of course not...not explicitly anyway. However, by posting links to those cartoons, it would give the impression that you endorse them - and they are what implies that line of thinking.

The problem I beleive is that some persons get too extreme and zealous about their beliefs and even kill other people.

as vicky liketo point out christians killed people back in the day, the alkaida kills people today - but they aren't christians. They are extremists, and should be restricted from going around harming people.

I agree, to a certain extent. However, take care of how you label them 'extremists' and disassociate them with Christianity; after all, there are many-a-Christian who would love to see an innocent person slaughtered for no other reason than because they are different

The purpose of religion is not suppose to be harming persons, but to lead them to righteousness. Everyone has freewill but should we allow them to do as they please when they harm society - directly or indirectly?

Just as vicky will debate that same gender marriages should be a legal right, shouldn't prostitution be legalized too - it is based on 2 consenting adults having sexual relations - nobody is getting hurt after all right?

Well, bsm, this is one of those things where we'll have to "agree to disagree". Why? Because after reading many posts on the gay issue in this forum, it has become clear that arguing has proven futile. I can't understand how anyone would compare a committed relationship between two adults (same sex or not) to prostitution. By the same token, people in your mindset cannot understand why some people are even attracted to the same sex. And all the arguments (for either side) in the various forums have now become ridiculously redundant.

but when you look deeper, you see that it causes problems with the prostitutes later down - usually not physically but mentally.

Well, if you use your body for material gain, and if you have something of a conscience, then it is somewhat likely that you would feel guilty for "cheapening" your personal value. Most gay people I know (myself included) don't have relations with the same sex for money, drugs, food, or clothes. So comparing them to prostitutes seems a little innacurate, eh? If only based on those reasons. But that's just my opinion.

and would you really want your daughter or girlfriend to be lawfully allowed to sell sexual favors as much as they wanted as long as they are consenting to it and are of legal age?

Again, I don't see having sex with my partner as a 'favour', and I personally would be insulted if anyone thought I was doing them a favour by having sex with them. Sex should be an act of love, not obligation.


GB

The problem I beleive is that some persons get too extreme and zealous about their beliefs and even kill other people.

Somewhat. Let's suppose that you're in a car driving it, and somehow someone outside of the car got control and made the car smash into every pedestrian that wasn't on the sidewalk or in a building.
Let's say it was a matter of two choices, letting the person outside the car control it OR doing as much you could (honking the horn) ripping all the fuses out of the fuse box to disable mechanisms or further damaging the car (breaking windows of the car to holler and warn pedestrians)-
I mean everything that you possibly could in an attempt to slow it down or regain control?

Yes, well it seems some people who consider themselves Christians, don't like the way other people 'drive their respective cars' or for those who don't see what I am saying, 'live their respectives lives'- some Christians don't like it to the point when they feel they ought to take control of other peoples lives and do with it as they please.
This "extreme" you refer to is relative. There are some who believe that the most extreme thing you can do to a person is kill them, and there are some who believe the most extreme thing you can do to a person is: to deny said person their God-given free will and take control of their lives.
To me, the extremist who kills is in equipoise with the extremist who usurps.

and would you really want your daughter or girlfriend to be lawfully allowed to sell sexual favors as much as they wanted as long as they are consenting to it and are of legal age?

And after 26 years on this planet haven't you figured out that if a daughter or girlfriend wants to do that, legally or illegally they will do it anyway? Is not Almighty God Father of All Creation? How many of the children He made grew up to be prostitutes? And to what end? Reconsider people like Rahab, Esther and Mary Magdalene. Where Christians and non-Christians alike are limited by laws Almighty God is not, so please do not perpetuate delusion by thinking that free will, moreover (for those such as myself)- that the work/will of YAHWEH on high can be furthered or hindered by petty human laws.

And after 26 years on this planet haven't you figured out that if a daughter or girlfriend wants to do that, legally or illegally they will do it anyway? Is not Almighty God Father of All Creation? How many of the children He made grew up to be prostitutes? And to what end? Reconsider people like Rahab, Esther and Mary Magdalene. Where Christians and non-Christians alike are limited by laws Almighty God is not, so please do not perpetuate delusion by thinking that free will, moreover (for those such as myself)- that the work/will of YAHWEH on high can be furthered or hindered by petty human laws.

I don't think that our Lord God make people become prostitutes. This is why He gave us the burden of free will. We choose our own destiny, we choose what we want to become and we answer for them on Judgement Day. We make the choice, God allows us to and all we can do is ask for His guidance and forgiveness for everything whether right or wrong.

I don't think that our Lord God make people become prostitutes. This is why He gave us the burden of free will. We choose our own destiny, we choose what we want to become and we answer for them on Judgement Day. We make the choice, God allows us to and all we can do is ask for His guidance and forgiveness for everything whether right or wrong.

Let me ask you a question.
Is the Creator all powerful?
Is the Creator all knowing?
Is the Creator perfect?
Does the Creator create perfection?
Does the Creator know past present and future?

I don't think that our Lord God make people become prostitutes. This is why He gave us the burden of free will. We choose our own destiny, we choose what we want to become and we answer for them on Judgement Day. We make the choice, God allows us to and all we can do is ask for His guidance and forgiveness for everything whether right or wrong.


exactly my point.

I say if the homosexuals want to sleep with one another, so be it.
If the prostitutes want to sell their body, so be it.
If you feel the need to steal, so be it.

I won't force you to stop, unless you physically are harming me or a loved one *without* our consent.

The laws of the land are there to be followed. Religion is supposed to coincide with the law, but is not subject to the law, nor the law subject to religion.

Th e follower of religion are supposed to obey the law as long as it does not violate their religion.

Christians are told by *their* religion to obey the law and to preach the gospel, not to force anyone to do anything.

we all have our own will, but we are all subjected to the law as well.

If prostitution is not legal, I will get in trouble. If gay marriage is illegal the particapants will get in trouble. etc.

My point is we christians are told to show others the way according to our religion, but we can't take away a persons free will. However, everyones free will is subjected to the law of our nation.

My duty as a christian is to teach the word of God to all - homosexuals, prostitutes, murderers, government officials, etc - but I cannot stop you from exercising free will.

The extremist try to prevent free will and usually with physical force. The bible forbids this line of action, we are instructed to teach and pray - and let God deal with whoever is out of line when the time comes.

We are all responsible for our actions, christians don't control people, the law does, oftentimes contrary to our christian beleifs.

I don't support the cartoons I posted, just wanted feedback.

I have no problem with murderers/homosexuals/prostitutes/etc, all are sinners according to God's word, and we are instructed to teach them and love them not persecute them, and hopefully they will correct their ways in time.

and I don't bash religion either, I beleive everyone is trying to do their best to make the world a better place, some only care about their own world, not the world in general.

I short, do what you want. But you are accountable to yourself first, the law second, and to God ultimately. We will continue to guide you toward the word of God, but never should force you to do anything - you have freewill,
forcing anyone to conform to God's word is not a christian value and violates free will. We can influence the government - but we can't force them.

segragation is wrong.
predjudice is wrong.
murder is wrong.
etc.

we can't stop it, but we can teach against it, it is our duty.

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