Mark of the Beast - Recent News of Intrigue
The Mark of the Beast is a technological reality. Here is a recent excerpt from BUSINESS WIRE (April 22, 2002): On December 19, 2001, VeriChip first announced its miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications. On April 4, 2002, the company announced that it had received written guidance that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not consider VeriChip's personal verification device to be a regulated medical device, enabling the company to begin sales, marketing and distribution of VeriChip in the United States. About the size of a grain of rice, each VeriChip is composed of FDA-accepted materials and contains a unique verification number. That number can "seamlessly integrate" into the Global VeriChip Subscriber (GVS) Registry, and can be used for numerous purposes now and in the future.
http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/mark-of-the-beast.htm

might not be the mark referred to by the bible, but interesting all the same.

Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Mark of the Beast - Recent News of Intrigue
The Mark of the Beast is a technological reality. Here is a recent excerpt from BUSINESS WIRE (April 22, 2002): On December 19, 2001, VeriChip first announced its miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications. On April 4, 2002, the company announced that it had received written guidance that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not consider VeriChip's personal verification device to be a regulated medical device, enabling the company to begin sales, marketing and distribution of VeriChip in the United States. About the size of a grain of rice, each VeriChip is composed of FDA-accepted materials and contains a unique verification number. That number can "seamlessly integrate" into the Global VeriChip Subscriber (GVS) Registry, and can be used for numerous purposes now and in the future.
http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/mark-of-the-beast.htm

might not be the mark referred to by the bible, but interesting all the same.

Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


it says mark not implant????

Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

then number of his name. Number of his identity. HHHmmm National insurance numbers.
Thought you should know your business license can be held back if you national insurance is not paid up to date.

if I remember correctly revelations was written by a prisoner, and therefore he used codes in his writings so that only his intended recipients would understand what he meant, thus he talks about multiheaded animals and animals with many horns to represent nations of the world.

I could be wrong, parietal_03 might be more knowledgeable here than myself or maybe delroy.

but if it is obvious that the mark you are receiving is the mark of the beast then you would not be deceived into taking it but take it out of fear.

I think the anti-christ procalims himself to the world before issuing the mark,
not sure, but if he does proclaim himself to the world and then orders everyone to take the mark - I assume he would be able to enforce his order with lethal force by then.

but it does not mean that we may have already received this mark and not know it yet.

some people say it is computers - and if the whole world depends on computers it is very conceivable that bringing down computers all over the earth at once with some sort of virus could leave the whole world vulnerable.

far fetched yes, but just one of many guesses at it.

perhaps someone here might know more ...

and since it is a biblical question, posting a response that it ill never happen because the bible ain't factual does not help this thread.

if you don't beleive, no need to ridicule.
(not meaning you vicky)

if I remember correctly revelations was written by a prisoner, and therefore he used codes in his writings so that only his intended recipients would understand what he meant, thus he talks about multiheaded animals and animals with many horns to represent nations of the world.

I could be wrong, parietal_03 might be more knowledgeable here than myself or maybe delroy.

but if it is obvious that the mark you are receiving is the mark of the beast then you would not be deceived into taking it but take it out of fear.

I think the anti-christ procalims himself to the world before issuing the mark,
not sure, but if he does proclaim himself to the world and then orders everyone to take the mark - I assume he would be able to enforce his order with lethal force by then.

but it does not mean that we may have already received this mark and not know it yet.

some people say it is computers - and if the whole world depends on computers it is very conceivable that bringing down computers all over the earth at once with some sort of virus could leave the whole world vulnerable.

far fetched yes, but just one of many guesses at it.

perhaps someone here might know more ...

and since it is a biblical question, posting a response that it ill never happen because the bible ain't factual does not help this thread.

if you don't beleive, no need to ridicule.
(not meaning you vicky)



http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm
Many say it is John the apostil. I have seen something somewhere that it was John helper named John as well. This is because the book of revelations is said to be written 125 years after Christ death.

Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

First and foremost I commend you. I have to. Rev [1:3] May you indeed receive the blessing due you without hindrance.

I believe The Original Book of Revelation was in fact dictated to a John/Yohann. However, the one in our modern Bible obviously is not the original, as it has been translated from the original language and wordage that it was dictated in.
There are many things in said book I have yet to understand and with that, let me say this. I have asked many times, on knees and prostrate for the surety of understanding of this book that I may answer according to YAHWEH's confidence. This book is different from any other book in The Vulgate, Yeshua comes back to dictate in this one.

You must remember that this book is in the vein of the teachings of Yeshua - partially literal and partially metaphorical, however, each metaphor reflects a literal occurence that has happened (what Yohann saw), that is happening and that which is to come. Rev [1:19]
Also key to understanding The Book of Revelation is the verse of Hebrews [1:1-2]. It's important to pay attention to that. That verse tells us that we've been living in the last days since Yeshua Bar Yoseph walked the earth.

It is said The Beast causes people from all walks of life/lifestyle to receive said mark BUT, continues on to say, "...that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
So, and this is what I obtain from this verse, it is not only the MARK you need to be aware of, but his name or the number of his (the beast's) name. Another thing that presents itself, is that the Beast is called a "he", bear in mind that when abstract people, places or things are called "he" in the Bible it does not always mean MALE. In symbolism, any male being presented in a vision represents "an aggressive-domninance process/condition" whereas, a female presented represents "an enveloping-dominance process/condition."
For example:**I am well aware that YAHWEH is neither male nor female, but three in one. Bearing in mind that BOTH male and female came from Them -
I refer to Them as "He" as They sent one of Them down in male form, and this is the one They want to receive the attention and glory.


Here's the tricky part for me. I have yet to figure out whether it was the statue of the first beast or whether it was the lamb with a dragon's voice who made the mark compulsory.
But this is what I believe:
LambDragon made those that belong to this world (Rev [13:8]) make a great inanimate copy of the first beast then LambDragon was allowed to give this copy animation. The statue then commanded the people who made it to worship it. So at the end of this chapter there are, in this order:
The first beast from the sea
Lambdragon (False Prophet) Rev [19:20] the second beast from the earth
The third beast, a copy of the first.

Now, some manuscripts read 666 and others read 616 as the number of the Beast. This throws things in a state of confusion as the original text provides the original number to use in conjunction with understanding to solve the number of the beast.

First question, where is the original text?
Second question, from where do we get THIS version of the Book of Revelation?
Third question, were there ever any "aggresively dominant" organizations upon the face of the earth that had aspects of both lamb and dragon intermingled and engaged in false prophesy? (Note: the Spirit of Prophesy is the testimony of Yeshua, therefore, False Prophecy is the incorrect testimony of Yeshua.)
Did this organization require its followers to recreate a previous system and worship it?
Fourth question, is this the same organization that provides us with this version of Revelations as the book of Revelations?
Fifth question, is there any system of religion present today that happens to be an exact copy of a religion that existed before, possibly under a different name?
The Sixth and possibly most important question, can the Book of Revelations in today's bible be trusted?

I'll answer the sixth and leave the others for the time being. Yes, it can, but only so far as it gives you a strange Greek name for The Man ("Jesus Christ"). His name and at least ONE of the numbers in this book has been changed.
Who's responsible for the translation of The Book Of Revelation?
John Wiclif, William Tyndale, John Rogers, Myles Coverdale and others if you read the KJV.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/transtoc.htm#toc
Bear in mind, these men translated what they were given.
What were they given to translate?
The Vulgate.
What is this Vulgate?
http://speedbible.com/vulgate/
Is everything in The Vulgate trustworthy?
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/apocryph.htm
Who's responsible for this "Vulgate"?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/vul/

I say possible systems because the first beast, remember, was a hybrid, but is The Roman Catholic Church a copy of another religious system/s?
Heh. You tell me. When did Yeshua bid His followers to pay respects to graven images, pray to His earthly mother, or start using rosaries?
What does Matthew [23:9] say?
Sure, one can argue that 1 Cor [4:15], Acts [7:2], Acts [1:73] all circumvent that, but I ask Who's YAHWEH here? Them or "them"?
What is the mark of The Roman Catholic Church?
Good Question. Ask Them.

Pretty long-winded but I hope that got you closer to some of the answers to your questions.

Someone obviously took the questioning of the validity of their "book" too seriously. In one's search for truth ALL possibilities must be noted and considered, otherwise manipulation of the "sheep" will inevitably take place by wolves in sheep's clothing. (or should that be "dragons" in sheep's clothing). Ridiculous? I'd think not.

To Parietal - Early crests used by the Vatican did use some dragon symbolization in their designs.

http://www.cephasministry.com/dragoncrestx.jpg - The site that this image comes from is one that makes an attempt to derail a few other major religions, but their library archives are interesting to go through, nonetheless. http://www.cephasministry.com/

A quote from Babylon Mystery Religion Ancient and Modern (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/091693800X/qid=1102878318/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-2665349-7779120?v=glance&s=books&n=507846), Ralph Woodrow, 1966. (the book costs about $40 from amazon.com)

"Throughout the Roman Empire, paganism died in one form, only to live again within the Roman Catholic Church"

The biblical reference that Woodrow rationalizes this with is:
"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.(Revelation 13: 3)"

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon-sm2.jpgHere's a quick link (http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon.htm) to the connection between dragon symbolization and the roman catholic entities.

As for the mark of the beast so many ideas have been touted: from tatoos to bar codes, from credit cards to the latest: RFID tags. Some VIP clubs in Europe have already begun the RFID implant procedure to identify (& bill) their high-profile clientele and a few clubs in the U.S. have as well. There's no money or credit card to carry around or get stolen and accuracy is guaranteed, unless it's popped out from under the skin. It's just another technology, although even I have some reservations about it becoming a mainstream tech device - few people would like to be tagged like wildlife.

Still I do believe that in many instances, strict allegiances to or interpretations of certain texts only prove to be the guiding hands for mankind's ultimate destruction - a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. But inevitably it's all in the interpretation eh?

To Parietal - Early crests used by the Vatican did use some dragon symbolization in their designs.
Curiouser and curiouser. Hmmm, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up Yorick! I gots tons more reading to do now.

Still I do believe that in many instances, strict allegiances to or interpretations of certain texts only prove to be the guiding hands for mankind's ultimate destruction - a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. But inevitably it's all in the interpretation eh?
True. My opinion: I would say The Book of Revelation is, the most trustworthy book in The Vulgate, and even then one should go to The Source from whence it came and not just rely on the book.