How do we know that Jesus Christ really rose from the dead?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t008.html

For the skeptics, I know you guys will read every word ...

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How do we know that Jesus Christ really rose from the dead?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t008.html

For the skeptics, I know you guys will read every word ...

Post your comments.

Interesting, but nothing new.

The statement "Many now consider the Resurrection to be one of the most sure and certain events of history." Is a bit optimistic! The Resurrection is a matter of faith. There is no historical evidence outside the Bible for it. There are arguments to be made for it, but that is all. However, it is one of the key points of your faith so it must be believed by the Christian - by faith.

wow..talk about coincidence. i was just reading up on a school of thought that jesus actually didn't die on the cross (which isnt so hard to believe when back then crucifiction did not result in death so quickly)

I believe and know Yeshua did.
But what is fact to me, is faith for another. I have all the proof I need.
But, as far as making it fact for another is concerned...Yeshua presents Himself to whomever He wishes. It's up to Him ultimately, not me. The best I can do is make others consider/reconsider that He did. And even then, they'll have to want or be willing to consider/reconsider.

Interesting, but nothing new.

The statement "Many now consider the Resurrection to be one of the most sure and certain events of history." Is a bit optimistic! The Resurrection is a matter of faith. There is no historical evidence outside the Bible for it. There are arguments to be made for it, but that is all. However, it is one of the key points of your faith so it must be believed by the Christian - by faith.

Hi CG, I recall one time you said practically the same thing regarding the exodus of the Jews out of Egypt, "that there was no historical evidence outside the Bible for it" [at least with such large numbers].

I scrounged around a bit, searching for historical evidence but haven't really put much time into it. But one day at church I asked a brother about it. Now what he said would probably be regarded as a bit off, but I am inclined to believe it could well be true!

He said that maybe God did not want the world (especially the unbelievers) to know all the details about that event, so He simply prevented the normal historical recording of it!

Now isn't that something to think about!?

Interesting, but nothing new.

The statement "Many now consider the Resurrection to be one of the most sure and certain events of history." Is a bit optimistic! The Resurrection is a matter of faith. There is no historical evidence outside the Bible for it. There are arguments to be made for it, but that is all. However, it is one of the key points of your faith so it must be believed by the Christian - by faith.



There is no historical evidence for any faith as far as I know. Faith is produced from the unseen, the evidence of which one does not have to prove, because faith does not require proof . If it were that easy to prove one's faith, then we all would likely be following the same faith here in this forum.

Hi CG, I recall one time you said practically the same thing regarding the exodus of the Jews out of Egypt, "that there was no historical evidence outside the Bible for it" [at least with such large numbers].

I scrounged around a bit, searching for historical evidence but haven't really put much time into it. But one day at church I asked a brother about it. Now what he said would probably be regarded as a bit off, but I am inclined to believe it could well be true!

He said that maybe God did not want the world (especially the unbelievers) to know all the details about that event, so He simply prevented the normal historical recording of it!

Now isn't that something to think about!?

If that is the case why is it even in the Bible????
Now isn't that something to think about!?

Hi CG, I recall one time you said practically the same thing regarding the exodus of the Jews out of Egypt, "that there was no historical evidence outside the Bible for it" [at least with such large numbers].

I scrounged around a bit, searching for historical evidence but haven't really put much time into it. But one day at church I asked a brother about it. Now what he said would probably be regarded as a bit off, but I am inclined to believe it could well be true!

He said that maybe God did not want the world (especially the unbelievers) to know all the details about that event, so He simply prevented the normal historical recording of it!

Now isn't that something to think about!?

With all due respect to your friend, that is just silly!

The Resurrection is the key stone of the Christian faith. It is THE thing that brings the believers in. The last thing God would want to do is try to hide it. It does not even make sense! It would be like hiding the fire exit signs in a burning building. If the Resurrection is "the way out" why hide it?

It is not logical to hide it - on the other hand one can seldom use, or rely on logic when one is moiling in deep religious waters.

There is no historical evidence for any faith as far as I know.
Absolutely true. There are tantalizing bits and pieces here and there but nothing substantial.

Faith is produced from the unseen, the evidence of which one does not have to prove, because faith does not require proof .
Absolutely true again. But why does the Christian find it important to put so much energy into proving his religion? I can think of no other religion that goes to the extreme lengths that the Christian does to prove the unprovable.

If it were that easy to prove one's faith, then we all would likely be following the same faith here in this forum.
Likely so!

What most believers fail to consider is that during the rise and fall of empires over time the leaders of those empires had full control of the contents of history books, especially those containing faith-based information.

Taking into consideration the corruption that can take place with having nearly absolute control over the guidebooks of history, what we know and take to heart today could have been seriously flawed or modified. Just look at the control of information involving global situations in our present time. 100 years from now people will have a more homogeneous opinion on present global occurrences due to control of the media by more powerful entities.

Are we to believe that these writers of the past were held to a higher standard back then? Are we to believe that they were completely immune to the fallibities of the human psyche? What checkpoints were in place at that time to prevent modification for selfish purposes? Are we to believe that schizophrenia and other psychological disorders did not exist at that time among the ranks of those controlling this information? Knowing the power that religious books hold over the humans of the earth, wouldn't they be the first things a powerful entity would modify for one's own prosperity and, in their opinion, for the "greater" good?

The writer of that article is basing their information on the content of other historical information and at the same time adding their psychological interpretation of it. How can we trust his mind to interpret it properly? Does a degree and a few recommendations by certain organizations give that person the green light to say whatever they want to? Once the seed of an idea is planted in a person's mind it is easy to deceive them as humans are creatures bound by the limitations of their own perception. Questioning the religious authorities in place has been deemed a taboo, while we forget the idea that they can be wrong. Only now in these times do we have a greater means to check and validate the sources of information, but the question is: Can we truly trust some of the information from the past? Greed for power, control and influence have inspired many deceptive practices over the course of human history.

With that said, just remember: He who controls the past controls the future.

If that is the case why is it even in the Bible????
Now isn't that something to think about!?

Vicky, it is in the Bible because He (God) wants it there. He knows that it would benefit His people, ie, believers. He knows that unbelievers and/or the writers of history would not be interested in it, so why prompt them to record it in their writings! [He also knows that one day they might just find their heads and agree that whether in history or not, it is His word and must therefore be the truth].

Being a perfect Gentleman, its not like Him to force anyone into something they would not or find difficult to believe!

Hopefully, if you are a believer, you wouldn't have to think too much to grasp what I am saying!

With all due respect to your friend, that is just silly!

The Resurrection is the key stone of the Christian faith. It is THE thing that brings the believers in. The last thing God would want to do is try to hide it. It does not even make sense! It would be like hiding the fire exit signs in a burning building. If the Resurrection is "the way out" why hide it?

It is not logical to hide it - on the other hand one can seldom use, or rely on logic when one is moiling in deep religious waters.

OK CG, actually I was not referring to the resurrection, I just sort of got carried away and was thinking ONLY of the exodus of the Jews out of Egypt, which was the subject discussed with my friend at church. I never really considered the resurrection from the viewpoint of History. Sorry for not making this clear.

OK CG, actually I was not referring to the resurrection, I just sort of got carried away and was thinking ONLY of the exodus of the Jews out of Egypt, which was the subject discussed with my friend at church. I never really considered the resurrection from the viewpoint of History. Sorry for not making this clear.

Ok. I see. But still, taking the Exodus which is a key point in Judaism - why would God try to hide it? There is no point to it. The Jews claim the land because God gave it to them. If God really wanted them to have it, making the Exodus a clear fact by leaving evidence would work very much in their, and God's favor.

So the same argument might be made for both stories.

Ok. I see. But still, taking the Exodus which is a key point in Judaism - why would God try to hide it? There is no point to it. The Jews claim the land because God gave it to them. If God really wanted them to have it, making the Exodus a clear fact by leaving evidence would work very much in their, and God's favor.

So the same argument might be made for both stories.

Well your point seems logical enough CG. Maybe this is something Christians should look into a bit more. The Palestinians believe they have as much rights to the land as the Jews, and the fighting between them seems it will go on forever!

Vicky, it is in the Bible because He (God) wants it there. He knows that it would benefit His people, ie, believers. He knows that unbelievers and/or the writers of history would not be interested in it, so why prompt them to record it in their writings! [He also knows that one day they might just find their heads and agree that whether in history or not, it is His word and must therefore be the truth].

Being a perfect Gentleman, its not like Him to force anyone into something they would not or find difficult to believe!

Hopefully, if you are a believer, you wouldn't have to think too much to grasp what I am saying!

Please read post #10 maybe it will help.
I am not a believer as you think of a believe
and Moby Dick is a story to it does not make it real.