It seems you have a very narrow minded prospective of Christanity and the Bible.
Here is why I say this.

I too have pondered this question and have come to the conclusion that only those that have accepted jesus christ as their lord and personal savior will go to heaven it is the only way, as stated in the bible, prove it. this means no matter what denomanation you are as long as your religion has that one key factor you will get there :angel: HHhhm so is what you are saying is, that there are things that are created with out the intention of the Creator? . all those other little squably stuff that divides us religiously are not important. I have even pondered whether my religion (baptist) was the right one?, is the bible a legitimate book? Now thats a a very good question. What did your reserch to find an answer? Did you look into the history of the Bible?? and after a lot of soul searching I have decided that IT IS becuase compared to the coran, Must not have been much reserch you spelling is wrong.
Ko·ran or Qur·’an Audio pronunciation of "Quran" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-rn, -rän, kô-, k-)
n.
The sacred text of Islam, considered by Muslims to contain the revelations of God to Muhammad. Also called Alcoran the jehovah witness bible, and all the rest. Did you ever hear of the Gnostic gospels ??http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gnostics.html the good ol King James is the only book http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/kingjames.html You really need to read thsi site. I think points 7,8and 10 are interesting that I see that has made accurate predictions. i.e. increase knowledge and technology, men will be lovers of themselves, governments uniting (european union, CSME anyone?), turbulant wars (iraq and it look like the USA tryin to beef wit Korea now) Absolutely nothing new here. Human kind has been increasing in knowledge from day one. Anyone with common sense would understand that would increase. Technology HHHm when was the first wheel discovered. The first log put under something to move it, to a wagon is an increase in technology. Do you think people really thought it would stop at the wagon? Men lovers of them selves’ sounds to be vanity to me. How do you dress everyday? Do you have a mirror?? When you cut your hair do you just cut it or do you have someone just cut it, do check to see that it is cut the way you want to look? Do you think this is new to humanity?? Oh and just in case you are trying to relate that statement to homosexuality. Do you really think it is something new? It was openly common practice around the world until the white Europeans got a hold of Christianity. these r the signs of the times as clear as day. these signs have been in existance since day 1 just you are not looking back trying to see with the eyes of those that lived then you are looking back from you prospective. Can you imagine the increase in techonolgy when man first learned how to create things with metal. so in my opinion if your religion believes that there is another way to heaven other than through repentantce, yall got issues

or is it you that have issues
You say you believe the KJV well look at this.
Luke 17:20-21 (King James Version)
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Also Jesus never said to worship him or to pary to him He never called him self the Son of God/the Creator.
He did say to follow him as in his example.

well i am goin on my faith, thats all any of us can go on, my faith sustains me. all i was trying to say in that post is that i believe the only way to heaven is to accept the lord as you personal saviour and it doesnt matter what denomanation you are, god doesnt care as long as you repented. like i said that is MY faith and beliefs you can disect it or whatever you wish to do with it.

well i am goin on my faith, thats all any of us can go on, my faith sustains me. all i was trying to say in that post is that i believe the only way to heaven is to accept the lord as you personal saviour and it doesnt matter what denomanation you are, god doesnt care as long as you repented. like i said that is MY faith and beliefs you can disect it or whatever you wish to do with it.

I am not knocking your faith what so ever. If it works for you I am happy for you.
I just wanted to know what about other religions such as Hindus Jews and other thats don't believe in Christ at all.

i didnt think you were knocking my faith at all. you were just proposing questions to me challenging me to think, but i have been there and done that and have arrived at the conclusion i posted. i make it a habit not to discuss religion past the extent of me saying what i believe and thats that, the person listening can then do their own soul searching but as for me my soul searching is done. like i said all any of us can do is depend on our faith becuase truely none of us know what is beyond on death, how to get into heaven etc. but accourdnig to my faith and beliefs it does not matter if your hindu, babtist, catholic etc. if you did not repent and accept the lord as your saviour you will not go to heaven. but like i said i could be wrong thats why it is called faith.

let me ask you this do you think it is wrong of me to say i could be wrong? becuase many christian look at me funny when i say that and i try to explain to them that no matter how much we believe what we believe is right, there is a posibilty that it is wrong. yet they wanna tell everyone else how wrong they are.

i didnt think you were knocking my faith at all. you were just proposing questions to me challenging me to think, but i have been there and done that and have arrived at the conclusion i posted. i make it a habit not to discuss religion past the extent of me saying what i believe and thats that, the person listening can then do their own soul searching but as for me my soul searching is done. like i said all any of us can do is depend on our faith becuase truely none of us know what is beyond on death, how to get into heaven etc. but accourdnig to my faith and beliefs it does not matter if your hindu, babtist, catholic etc. if you did not repent and accept the lord as your saviour you will not go to heaven. but like i said i could be wrong thats why it is called faith.

I think I see your point, somewhat. But if a Hindu accepts Jesus as his Lord and savior he, then is no longer a Hindu - he is a Christian. The same holds true for other faiths. The definition of a Christian is someone who holds Jesus as the Lord and savior other religions do not.

let me ask you this do you think it is wrong of me to say i could be wrong? becuase many christian look at me funny when i say that and i try to explain to them that no matter how much we believe what we believe is right, there is a posibilty that it is wrong. yet they wanna tell everyone else how wrong they are.

Yes, it is quite possible we are all wrong! :shhh:

Yes, it is quite possible we are all wrong! :shhh:


hey you never know thats why i tell people to do your own soul searching, think openly and then hold on to your own faith. i know one thing for sure there is a GOD.

.... i know one thing for sure there is a GOD.

How would you know that? Is that not a matter of faith also?

yes believing there is a God is a matter of faith. but to me it is reinforce every time i think about how wonderfully my body is made, everytime it rains and u see a rainbow, when you walk out side and see diverse animals, plants, and people. if you have ever travelled and see mountains and waterfalls, even looking out on our clear bahamian waters i think only God could create things so beautiful.

yes believing there is a God is a matter of faith. but to me it is reinforce every time i think about how wonderfully my body is made,
The thing is the human body is not wonderfully made. It is in fact rather poorly made. It is subject to a multitude of diseases. The human is the only creature that can die from bad teeth! Its reproduction system is badly designed. Until modern times many women died in child-birth. The human body is "designed" to last about 20-30 years. Most of the old bones that have been dug up show that life was short in the past.

everytime it rains and u see a rainbow,
The refraction of light through rain drops! And it does not happen every time - only when the angle of the sun is right.

when you walk out side and see diverse animals, plants, and people.
Evolution?

if you have ever travelled and see mountains and waterfalls,
The end result (in fact it is still going on) of plate tectonics.

even looking out on our clear bahamian waters i think only God could create things so beautiful.
The water is clear due to the filtering action of the coral reefs. The sand is made up of rocks that have been eroded by the action of the sea. There is also a great amount to dead, eroded sea shells in the sand mix too. And that wonderful sea can turn on you in a storm and wash away everything that is not nailed down.

Yes, all these things can be wonderful, or not - yet they stand with, or without a God to set them in motion. But as you say, it is a matter of faith.

like i told vicky, these are my belief and faith and you can do whatever you please with it. in my opinion when you stand before God, i hope you tell him what a poor job he did.

like i told vicky, these are my belief and faith and you can do whatever you please with it. in my opinion when you stand before God, i hope you tell him what a poor job he did.

If he is omniscient he already knows! But in all fairness can you say that this is the best job an all-powerful God could do? From the beginning of history to this age the world has shuddered under a burden of suffering and pain that sickens the soul. And the horrors of which I speak are just the natural ones! Think of all the suffering we have inflicted on ourselves! Perhaps we are made in Gods' image after all. :angel:

you do have a point, but if you look back to genisis earth and the human body were perfect, free from effliction and problems it was all harmony. until eve bit the forbidden fruit and evil was allowed to enter in. i do admit life is unfair at times, and the human body is very fragil.

like i told vicky, these are my belief and faith and you can do whatever you please with it. in my opinion when you stand before God, i hope you tell him what a poor job he did.

We won't need to say thing the Creator already knows/knew before the earth was created.

i didnt think you were knocking my faith at all. you were just proposing questions to me challenging me to think, but i have been there and done that and have arrived at the conclusion i posted. i make it a habit not to discuss religion past the extent of me saying what i believe and thats that, the person listening can then do their own soul searching but as for me my soul searching is done. like i said all any of us can do is depend on our faith becuase truely none of us know what is beyond on death, how to get into heaven etc. but accourdnig to my faith and beliefs it does not matter if your hindu, babtist, catholic etc. if you did not repent and accept the lord as your saviour you will not go to heaven. but like i said i could be wrong thats why it is called faith.

let me ask you this do you think it is wrong of me to say i could be wrong? becuase many christian look at me funny when i say that and i try to explain to them that no matter how much we believe what we believe is right, there is a posibilty that it is wrong. yet they wanna tell everyone else how wrong they are.

It is not wrong to say you could be wrong. But in my books its wrong when someone says: " i make it a habit not to discuss religion past the extent of me saying what i believe and thats that, the person listening can then do their own soul searching but as for me my soul searching is done."

You see with a closed mind you can learn nothing more.
Which is worse
discoverying something to be wrong but never changing
or not knowing something is wrong but willing to change?

vicky i was just having a discussion with a friend a few weeks ago who did not believe in God or any religion and she also told me this also. but like i said if you had known me back two years ago when i was going through that who am i, why was i born, is there a god, etc phase i would have responded to your post and disected it but i am past that now. also i did read your post and it did make me think, but i had to keep it a certain point becuase to me religion is like a big open ocean and your faith is like a little raft and when i was going through that phase its like i keep trying different rafts to see which one i thought was sturdy enough to take me to shore. i am tired of looking for rafts and at this point in my life i believe i have found my raft and have so much faith in it to tell all passers by "no thanks i'll stay on this one."
did that make sense.

oh since i am typing this can i ask you what religion are you vicky or what you believe in. also CG are you a scientolist or a evolutionist?