Others might accuse the Baptist of adding confusion. ;)


believe me in the bahamas the baptist is the main ones spreading the confusion and judging everyone. they confuse themselves, i have seen two baptist of the same church pickering. one thing i dont like about them is their radicalness, they really need to tone that down. i am baptist and i can say these things so yall know i really tell it like it is.


This is a belief, with no fact attached.


this goes back to wheather or not you believe the bible is true or just an old story book. i believe it to be true.



Was the earth free of death? I doubt it. Nature requires death. Everything living, lives on the death of something else that is how life "works." Sin has nothing to do with it. The Adam and Eve story was a way to explain our sufferings in a time when people needed answers but had no way to find those answers. It was the "science" of the times and worked for the times.


my faith in God and his awsome power allows me to beleive that in the begining before eve had her run ins there was no death upon Earth and pestilance upon earth. we will never understand it becuase we will never fully understand God.


I doubt he had a choice. There is no life without death, no light without dark, no goodness without evil. Every thing has its opposite.


once again me faith allows me to believe in an all powerfull god and that he had a choice but for what ever reason allowed it. you see this is where we begin to muccy up the waters and complicate things by thinking why this and that. just accept it and move on.


Perhaps not, but the Devil visited heaven - the Book of Job.


the devil also lived in heaven. if God is so all knowing he should have known the devil was no good back when he was good and never allowed lucifer to be created. or he could have never created eve cuase he should have forescene that incident in the garden of eden. if we begin dwelling on these things we take our focuse away from gods main agenda and that is for people to repent. these are the reasons i tend not to disuss religion


A changed life is good - as long as the change is for the good. We can all do with that kind of change from time to time. Almost all religions expect such a change.


putting religion on the side for a minute. one things for sure there is no bad that comes from living a good life, this is what i tell people that like to hop in bed with all kinds of strangers, or to the ones that love drugs and alcohol. if you live a clean life you dont have to worry to much about STD's, lung cancer etc. i am not saying your life would be free from these things but not doing these things reduces your chances of having these problems


Not really. They are part-and-parcel of a faith.


i know one thing i een ga nit pick weather it is wrong for a woman to wear pants, or weather wearing your hair uncertain way is ungodly. or is interacial marriage a sin. to me it is just sillyness. some of these things are the main reasons people reject God, becuase of what man has turned his message into.

it depends on how you look at it is the glass half full or half empty. i say wonderfully made becuase look at the human brain no other creature is as smart as us.
Smart? We are poisoning our world. We are over-populating. We go to war (so do other animals) but we really go to war - 40 million were killed in World War II

in terms of dying most other animals die too, what you want us to live for a thousand years?
That is what God wanted! And more!

I look at it this way, science is Gods ingrediants....
One has to make a distinction between Religious Science and Pure Science - which are you taking about? In the Enlightenment, Religion and Science diverged. Before that Religion demanded that Science stick to the Bible. For example, "Why does a rose have thorns?" Answer, "The thorns represent the Crown of Thorns, the red in the Rose represents the blood of Christ,"

Pure Science holds no allegiance to a god. It was a long struggle to disengage. We would not have a quarter of the knowledge we have now if the Church still had to OK everything Science found.

i dont believe in evolution. PERIOD. there is nothing around me that i see evolving and i dont care how long they say it takes. all it is some things have a close resemblness to each other. have yall ever seen a person that looks kinda like you or seen some one that looks like a person you know. same can be said why cats look kinda like wild cats. why ist there some monkey out there that is half man half monkey? please.

I am sorry to tell you this by we, mankind, have 98% of our DNA that is exactly like the Chimpanzee. So I guess you could say that there are monkeys that are like us.

Science, pure Science, tells us that all apes (including us) share a common ancestor. We can go even deeper! All living things have a similar body structure, heart - on the left - five appendages: head, arms (or wings,) legs. (Many insects are the exception.) We are all descended from a common ancestor - and it was not Adam!

The difference between the Buddhist and the Christian is that we are not threatened by Pure Science. Our focus of attention is on the inner-self. We believe that we are born with everything we need in this life. The trick is to awaken to it. But even Jesus said. "The kingdom of Heaven is within you." I wonder where he got that from? (Buddhism being 500 years older that Christ.)

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One has to make a distinction between Religious Science and Pure Science - which are you taking about? In the Enlightenment, Religion and Science diverged. Before that Religion demanded that Science stick to the Bible. For example, "Why does a rose have thorns?" Answer, "The thorns represent the Crown of Thorns, the red in the Rose represents the blood of Christ,"

Pure Science holds no allegiance to a god. It was a long struggle to disengage. We would not have a quarter of the knowledge we have now if the Church still had to OK everything Science found.


i can see where you got this statement but you are not talking to a regular christian i belive a rose is red and has thorns becuase thats the way God made it. period. i dont need to over analise things, like i said it is thinking like this that has defeated christs message and has made christians look very silly all though the thought is nice. "Why does a rose have thorns?" Answer, "The thorns represent the Crown of Thorns, the red in the Rose represents the blood of Christ. PLEASE WHAT ABOUT OF TOM FOOLERY.

as far as the chimpazee thing it is becuase we all come from the same creator and are direved from similar basics. its kinda like cars weather you drive a LEXUS or a KIA they both derive from the same basics as invented by FORD years ago: both have doors, and engine, tires, mass production etc

PLEASE WHAT ABOUT OF TOM FOOLERY.
I assume you mean, What a lot of Tom Foolery?
Well yes it was, so was the Churches position that the Sun revolved around the Earth. That the Earth was flat. That, as Jesus- who is the center of everything - came to Earth we must be the center of everything. Yes, to us - enlightened by pure science - it is Tom Foolery.

as far as the chimpazee thing it is becuase we all come from the same creator and are direved from similar basics. its kinda like cars weather you drive a LEXUS or a KIA they both derive from the same basics as invented by FORD years ago: both have doors, and engine, tires, mass production etc
If you read the first account of creation in Genesis, there are two accounts! Man was a special creation, made in God image. He was not a member of the primate family. He was not just another animal - yet we are! You can't have it both ways!

If you read the first account of creation in Genesis, there are two accounts! Man was a special creation, made in God image. He was not a member of the primate family. He was not just another animal - yet we are! You can't have it both ways!


good observation. all i know is i believe in God, I belive he sent his son to save my soul, and the only way to heaven is through repentance, redemption, and a change life. i will not worry about why this and that. i will ask God when i see him

what i am about to say might not sink in if a person does not believe in God, heaven, hell, or the holy bible.

well vicky i can understand the logic that heaven is in all of us, i have actaully thought of that. but in my opinion to say this is to say that we dont need to go through God to get to heaven becuase we already have it in us, if this is true then we dont need to follow gods teachings in the bible. accournding to Gen 1:1 and Gen 14:19 heaven is one of two great divisions of the universe seperated as the heavens and the earth and accourding to Matt 5:12, Matt 6:20 and Eph 3:15 heaven is where all believers shall reside. also i believe heaven isnt in us becuase in the bible there are coutless accounts of people, including Jesus after his crusifiction, going up to hevean, in the end believers will be raptured up to heaven and God will come down from heaven, fire shall rain down from heaven etc.

i dont beleive just christians will reach the creator (God in my case whom i believe resides in heaven) to a certain extent. but i know one thing regardless of how grey the line is concerninng on who gets into heaven one thing is clear in the bible and that is GOD HATES SIN and Wickedness therefore it can not be in heaven with him, along with those that carry it. this is where i got the theory that to enter heaven one must believe in God, Jesus and be cleansed of their sins through the blood of jesus. John 3:16-19.

to me this is the jist of it all the petty things that i hear pentacostles, jehova witness, non demoantio, baptist. argue about is just silly.


Nothing exists with out the creating it not even sin.
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you

some one is not telling the truth.

Nothing exists with out the creating it not even sin.
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you

some one is not telling the truth.


i agree. like i said who knows whos right and wrong. are all these religions just fairy tales? no one knows for sure. the bible is filled with contridictions and gray areas. maybe some people didnt check their stories before publishing them. your right nothing exist without creation not even sin wich was created by the devil. but like i said if god was all knowing and powerful why did he allow lucifer to be created? these are the things i try not to understand becuase if one did try to contemplate these types of thngs they would go crazy.

Now I enn too much into the "sprituality and heaven" part of religion! But from the position of "knowing" whether a heaven does exist...I have to follow behind CG! TIS ALL BY FAITH...ONLY TIME WILL TELL! YOUR GUESS COULD BE JUST AS GOOD AS THE NEXT GUY'S!!!:cutie:

I dont mean to revive an old thread but I saw something on television the other day that had something to do with this topic.

Has anyone seen the interview with Carlton Pearson? He was a well known televangelist in the US. This is interesting.

According to him even Hitler is in heaven. His story and in essence his revelation is one that Christians should really consider.

Clear as a bell, says Carlton, he heard god telling him to preach this new message that hell is a place in life, and that after death. Everybody is redeemed. Everybody.
Pearson: I immediately started thinking about my grandparents. “Well, maybe they’re not in Hell. Maybe if they’re already saved, if the cross and Christ and all that stuff really happened and is really spiritual—which I believe it is—then—if He came to save the world, then the world is saved unless he’s a failure.”

What do you think?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14337492/

^^^ So what do you guys think? Does he (Pearson) have a legitimate claim here or is it another case of grasping at straws? Is life the hell that he speaks of and all of us are going to heaven?

Whats your take?

I am going to Heaven. Is all I need to know :)

I am going to Heaven. Is all I need to know :)

Amen sister!:angel:

heres what i was taught and some of this is what i believe, theres is a jesus and there is a god, they are two seperate persons, not everyone is going to heaven, only i selected few will go, the rest of "god-fearers" will go to the new earth. i think that some of u are discriminating against christians, not all christians are like the way u described them, like in da other thread, about women calling all men dogs, your doing da same thing to christians, your putting wat a small group of christians did/ or still do and saying that all christians are like dat. notice u say "christians" that means every christian in the world, and your sayin that there all like dat, which isnt true, your saying wat all christians do based on wat you've experienced so called christians do. most of those people youve talked about, arent really christians, there only christians on sunday at church, but for the rest of the week there heathens, not all christians are like dat, remember dat!:shhh:

look cg even found the bible verse that said just because you believe in god does not mean dat your going to heaven:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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look cg even found the bible verse that said just because you believe in god does not mean dat your going to heaven:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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in that case nobody is going to heaven, less they name is Jesus Christ :sailing: