No Great Demos it is the other way around. For Christians its simply "you fit in our way or you don't fit in. If you don't fit in we will point you out we will condemn who you are we will condemn how you live. We will eve have protest in Rawson sq.

Vicky, I can't understand for the life of me why you keep focusing on some Christian rabble rousers, people who get carried away by their religion, and perhaps don't even know what they they are doing. Those persons who demonstrated during the arrival of the last ship were NOT a part of the Christian Council, neither were they authorised to demonstrate by the Council! I told you this before on a previous post!

Its not good to dwell and focus and be so obsessed by the past all the time. Yes, from time to time we should think briefly of the past to see if or how we are progressing, but making the past our main focus all the time is like going backwards! Lets look ahead and move onward! Ok?

there are radicals in every religion.

and the rainbow alliance and all the gay people are protesting as well.

Too bad the radicals give christianity a bad name. All christians are not like that. Our primary function is to spread the gospel, not 'persecute' unbelievers. Too many christians get caught up with pointing out the sins of others instead of preaching the gospel like Jesus instructed.

Notice when I criticize the same sex marriage I did so on a forum in a debate which was setup to discuss the subject - I don't go out of my way to protest against the GBLT community. I am primarily concerned with sharing the gospel and explaining the bible as I understand it - if one of them gets saved, the bible will point out there wrong doings - no need for me to do that.

But all religions have a right to advise the government on matters that will affect society - just as the rainbow alliance is a group that wishes to advise the government. Ultimately the government makes the laws not the public advisory groups. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion as long as it is done with tact and respect - radicals don't care about tact, they let their emotions get the better of them.

I am sure all of the radicals who were at the protest could not honestly cast the first stone. Really and truly they should appeal directly to the government not do their own thing - especially if the government allowed the ship to dock.

Forcing your view on somebody rarely works, if you converse without allowing the other side to speak then your not discussing, rather you are announcing.

Ideally both groups should approach the government in a respectful manner and let them decide what to do with the laws.

I associate with gay and feminine type males, I am not afraid of them but I will still always tell them that homosexuality is a sin - if they ask and only if they ask my opinion.

Like you asked vicky, what difference does it make to a christian if same sex marriages are given the ok - it makes no difference, but that does not mean it is ok by God's standards. But who really cares right? After all I am not responsible for lost souls if I tried respectfully and failed.

but how could I even have a chance or hope of winning you over to my views if I am launching a protest against you?

Here's a good question vicky - adultery was punishable by death in the pre-Jesus days but now it has no penalty at all, at least that I know of. Why aren't the radicals protesting against adultery?

Hi bsm, I must say I really like this answer and fully agree with it. I think it ranks among the best on bahamasissues.com

Puts me in mind of a friend whom I told one time that no matter how disgusting or immoral you find a person, don't let them know that you dislike them and don't treat them badly. He asked me why and I told him that one day you may need something very badly, a favour or whatever, and you may find that the the ONLY person who can help you is that same person with those bad ways! [During that time I was not into Christianity]

A few months had passed and one day he came to me thanking me so much for the advice. He was dealing with someone who was very obnoxious. He treated the person well. It turned out that my friend badly needed a rare item that was not available in the Bahamas. That same disgusting fellow was the ONLY person able to supply my friend with the needed item!

This piece of knowledge I had learned the hard way, through experience!

Hi bsm, I must say I really like this answer and fully agree with it. I think it ranks among the best on bahamasissues.com

Puts me in mind of a friend whom I told one time that no matter how disgusting or immoral you find a person, don't let them know that you dislike them and don't treat them badly. He asked me why and I told him that one day you may need something very badly, a favour or whatever, and you may find that the the ONLY person who can help you is that same person with those bad ways! [During that time I was not into Christianity]

A few months had passed and one day he came to me thanking me so much for the advice. He was dealing with someone who was very obnoxious. He treated the person well. It turned out that my friend badly needed a rare item that was not available in the Bahamas. That same disgusting fellow was the ONLY person able to supply my friend with the needed item!

This piece of knowledge I had learned the hard way, through experience!


Someone once said 'a wise man learns from his mistakes', my religious knowledge teacher gave a better version - 'a wise man learns from his mistakes but a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others'.

That's why I like to read - to benefit from the millions of pages of mistakes recorded by people that have gone before me, but hanging around older people *with integrity* works as well, but be careful "wisdom does not always come with age, sometimes age comes alone".

I personally witnessed this when my mom was trying to help me get a job. She ran into an admirer from the past that she gave the run around to. Turns out that he was the manager of the store, and although he did not interview me he had to OK it. He reminded her of how she treated him back then and told her to be careful how treats people, and I was hired.

I have seen bums that I used to give money to regularly turn their lives around and are living better than I do on a banker's salary! More importantly they look out for me just like I did for them. I know of friends that got rich and switched and forgot about the little people, now they are back in the dumps.

One of the best things you can ever do is feed someone who is hungry, they will never forget you.

I like these 2 verses more than most others:

Proverbs 3:28
Say not unto thy neighbour, Go, and come again, and to morrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee.

Ecclesiastes 11:1
Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.
(another version interprets it as - Be generous: Invest in acts of charity. Charity yields high returns.)

Every human should be treated with respect and dignity regardless of their race(there is only one race - the human race) or financial standing, ever notice how every one hangs out after a hurricane takes away the electricity
and most of the shops are closed that sell vanity items, notice how casually everyone dresses - no neckties and coats? Even the bums seem to be accepted into company during those conditions.

Developing a virtuous character is never a bad thing - you may end up with many fans and be regarded as a mentor/role-model by many.

And don't ever forget about humility:

Ecclesiastes 4:13
Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.

(Just try to correct your pastor even privately)

These wise sayings put me in mind of something my father used to say -- don't know where he got it from:

"Be good to a man when he is down,
Be good to a man when he is in sorrow,
For this world has peculiar ways,
And YOU may be down tomorrow".

An older brother of mine used to say: "Knowledge comes quickly, but Wisdom lingers"

One of the things I have been noticing for years now is the wisdom and common sense of many people who would be regarded as backward or uneducated. I just like to associate with them and to learn from them. Over the years I've gotten some great and useful advice from such persons!

I just love being humble, and I guide my behaviour by this verse: "Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself". (Phil 2:3)

Satan and Demons are just plain evil!!

satan=bad things!

that is all!
:cheers:

Satan and Demons are just plain evil!!

satan=bad things!

that is all!
:cheers:

Trouble is one cannot always distinguish between a Diabolical invitation and a Divine one!

"Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

Well, we know that was Divine, now - but poor Abraham!!!! and what would you have made of that had you been Abraham?

there are radicals in every religion.

and the rainbow alliance and all the gay people are protesting as well. Sorry we were there to welcome not protest.

Too bad the radicals give christianity a bad name. This is true very true. But until Chirstanity in general takes on a more tolerant position and its (so called) leaders stop standing on lies the radicals will will have nothing to make a stand on. Until the none radacals speak out we will see this kind of thing go on and on. All christians are not like that. Our primary function is to spread the gospel, not 'persecute' unbelievers. Too many christians get caught up with pointing out the sins of others instead of preaching the gospel like Jesus instructed.

Notice when I criticize the same sex marriage I did so on a forum in a debate which was setup to discuss the subject - I don't go out of my way to protest against the GBLT community. I am primarily concerned with sharing the gospel and explaining the bible as I understand it As I am doing explaining the Bible as I see it. And if one understands the history and mistakes of Chrisatnity (gets saved) the Bible will point out there wrong doings. - if one of them gets saved, the bible will point out there wrong doings - no need for me to do that.

But all religions have a right to advise the government on matters that will affect society - just as the rainbow alliance is a group that wishes to advise the government. Ultimately the government makes the laws not the public advisory groups. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion as long as it is done with tact and respect - radicals don't care about tact, they let their emotions get the better of them. No ones opinion should be used to make laws that force people to live according to ones religion. This is what the Taliban did. is it far?????

I am sure all of the radicals who were at the protest could not honestly cast the first stone. Really and truly they should appeal directly to the government not do their own thing - especially if the government allowed the ship to dock.
This is true. But I did not see any protesters out there protesting the protest. Where were you??? Why didn't you get out there and say this.
Forcing your view on somebody rarely works, if you converse without allowing the other side to speak then your not discussing, rather you are announcing.

Ideally both groups should approach the government in a respectful manner and let them decide what to do with the laws. Gov want to stay in power so they can collect nice pay checks. So they will do as the majority, the bigest mouths, want them to do.

Is The Majority alway right????

I associate with gay and feminine type males, I am not afraid of them but I will still always tell them that homosexuality is a sin - if they ask and only if they ask my opinion.[/QUOTE] Kudos to you

Like you asked vicky, what difference does it make to a christian if same sex marriages are given the ok - it makes no difference, but that does not mean it is ok by God's standards. But who really cares right? After all I am not responsible for lost souls if I tried respectfully and failed.
Kudos to you
but how could I even have a chance or hope of winning you over to my views if I am launching a protest against you?


Here's a good question vicky - adultery was punishable by death in the pre-Jesus days but now it has no penalty at all, at least that I know of. Why aren't the radicals protesting against adultery?

Go one further how many people are divorced and remarried how many tourist come down and get remarried. Who officiates the remarrying. Christ teaches us that is adultery.

Jesus always stresses that faith in him as the son of God was is the only way to be saved.


28 times the "Son of God" mentioned in Matthew Mark Luke and John Please point out which ones were Christ talking about him self.

# Matthew 4:3
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 4:2-4 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 4:6
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 4:5-7 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 8:29
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matthew 8:28-30 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 14:32-34 (in Context) Matthew 14 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 26:63
But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 26:62-64 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 27:40
And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:39-41 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 27:43
He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Matthew 27:42-44 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 27:54
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:53-55 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter)
# Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 1:1-3 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter)
# Mark 3:11
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 3:10-12 (in Context) Mark 3 (Whole Chapter)
# Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Mark 15:38-40 (in Context) Mark 15 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:34-36 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Luke 3:37-39 (in Context) Luke 3 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 4:3
And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Luke 4:2-4 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 4:9
And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke 4:8-10 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 4:41
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Luke 4:40-42 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 8:28
When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luke 8:27-29 (in Context) Luke 8 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 22:70
Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
Luke 22:69-71 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter)
# John 1:34
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
John 1:33-35 (in Context) John 1 (Whole Chapter)
# John 1:49
Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
John 1:48-50 (in Context) John 1 (Whole Chapter)
# John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:17-19 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)
# John 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 5:24-26 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
# John 9:35
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
John 9:34-36 (in Context) John 9 (Whole Chapter)
# John 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:35-37 (in Context) John 10 (Whole Chapter)
# John 11:4
When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
John 11:3-5 (in Context) John 11 (Whole Chapter)
# John 11:27
She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
John 11:26-28 (in Context) John 11 (Whole Chapter)
# John 19:7
The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
John 19:6-8 (in Context) John 19 (Whole Chapter)
# John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 20:30-32 (in Context) John 20 (Whole Chapter)

HHHmm 80 times the "Son of man" In Matthew Mark Luke and John.
Now how many times was Christ talking about him self.

1. Matthew 8:20
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Matthew 8:19-21 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter)
2. Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Matthew 9:5-7 (in Context) Matthew 9 (Whole Chapter)
3. Matthew 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Matthew 10:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 10 (Whole Chapter)
4. Matthew 11:19
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Matthew 11:18-20 (in Context) Matthew 11 (Whole Chapter)
5. Matthew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 12:7-9 (in Context) Matthew 12 (Whole Chapter)
6. Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Matthew 12:31-33 (in Context) Matthew 12 (Whole Chapter)
7. Matthew 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:39-41 (in Context) Matthew 12 (Whole Chapter)
8. Matthew 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Matthew 13:36-38 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
9. Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Matthew 13:40-42 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
10. Matthew 16:13
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Matthew 16:12-14 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter)
11. Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 16:26-28 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter)
12. Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 16:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter)
13. Matthew 17:9
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Matthew 17:8-10 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
14. Matthew 17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Matthew 17:11-13 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
15. Matthew 17:22
And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Matthew 17:21-23 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
16. Matthew 18:11
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Matthew 18:10-12 (in Context) Matthew 18 (Whole Chapter)
17. Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 19 (Whole Chapter)
18. Matthew 20:18
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Matthew 20:17-19 (in Context) Matthew 20 (Whole Chapter)
19. Matthew 20:28
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Matthew 20:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 20 (Whole Chapter)
20. Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:26-28 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
21. Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:29-31 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
22. Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:36-38 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
23. Matthew 24:39
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:38-40 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
24. Matthew 24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:43-45 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
25. Matthew 25:13
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 25:12-14 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
26. Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Matthew 25:30-32 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
27. Matthew 26:2
Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Matthew 26:1-3 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
28. Matthew 26:24
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Matthew 26:23-25 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
29. Matthew 26:45
Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
Matthew 26:44-46 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
30. Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Matthew 26:63-65 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter)
31. Mark 2:10
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
Mark 2:9-11 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter)
32. Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Mark 2:27-29 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter)
33. Mark 8:31
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mark 8:30-32 (in Context) Mark 8 (Whole Chapter)
34. Mark 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mark 8:37-39 (in Context) Mark 8 (Whole Chapter)
35. Mark 9:9
And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mark 9:8-10 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
36. Mark 9:12
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mark 9:11-13 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
37. Mark 9:31
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Mark 9:30-32 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
38. Mark 10:33
Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
Mark 10:32-34 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter)
39. Mark 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 10:44-46 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter)
40. Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 13:25-27 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter)
41. Mark 13:34
For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mark 13:33-35 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter)
42. Mark 14:21
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Mark 14:20-22 (in Context) Mark 14 (Whole Chapter)
43. Mark 14:41
And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
Mark 14:40-42 (in Context) Mark 14 (Whole Chapter)
44. Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 14:61-63 (in Context) Mark 14 (Whole Chapter)
45. Luke 5:24
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
Luke 5:23-25 (in Context) Luke 5 (Whole Chapter)
46. Luke 6:5
And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luke 6:4-6 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter)
47. Luke 7:34
The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Luke 7:33-35 (in Context) Luke 7 (Whole Chapter)
48. Luke 9:22
Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Luke 9:21-23 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
49. Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luke 9:25-27 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
50. Luke 9:44
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
Luke 9:43-45 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
51. Luke 9:56
For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Luke 9:55-57 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
52. Luke 9:58
And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Luke 9:57-59 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
53. Luke 11:30
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
Luke 11:29-31 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter)
54. Luke 12:8
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luke 12:7-9 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter)
55. Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Luke 12:9-11 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter)
56. Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Luke 12:39-41 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter)
57. Luke 17:22
And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Luke 17:21-23 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
58. Luke 17:24
For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Luke 17:23-25 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
59. Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luke 17:25-27 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
60. Luke 17:30
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luke 17:29-31 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter)
61. Luke 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Luke 18:7-9 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
62. Luke 18:31
Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
Luke 18:30-32 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
63. Luke 19:10
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Luke 19:9-11 (in Context) Luke 19 (Whole Chapter)
64. Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luke 21:26-28 (in Context) Luke 21 (Whole Chapter)
65. Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:35-37 (in Context) Luke 21 (Whole Chapter)
66. Luke 22:22
And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
Luke 22:21-23 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter)
67. Luke 22:48
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?
Luke 22:47-49 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter)
68. Luke 22:69
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Luke 22:68-70 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter)
69. Luke 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luke 24:6-8 (in Context) Luke 24 (Whole Chapter)
70. John 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
John 1:50-52 (in Context) John 1 (Whole Chapter)
71. John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:12-14 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)
72. John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
John 3:13-15 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)
73. John 5:27
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
John 5:26-28 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
74. John 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
John 6:26-28 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
75. John 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 6:52-54 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
76. John 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:61-63 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
77. John 8:28
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 8:27-29 (in Context) John 8 (Whole Chapter)
78. John 12:23
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
John 12:22-24 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter)
79. John 12:34
The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
John 12:33-35 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter)
80. John 13:31
Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
John 13:30-32 (in Context) John 13 (Whole Chapter)


I think you better go back and re read it.

Oh By the way I have never read the Bible from front to back.

Someone once said 'a wise man learns from his mistakes', my religious knowledge teacher gave a better version - 'a wise man learns from his mistakes but a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others'.

That's why I like to read - to benefit from the millions of pages of mistakes recorded by people that have gone before me, but hanging around older people *with integrity* works as well, but be careful "wisdom does not always come with age, sometimes age comes alone".

I personally witnessed this when my mom was trying to help me get a job. She ran into an admirer from the past that she gave the run around to. Turns out that he was the manager of the store, and although he did not interview me he had to OK it. He reminded her of how she treated him back then and told her to be careful how treats people, and I was hired.

I have seen bums that I used to give money to regularly turn their lives around and are living better than I do on a banker's salary! More importantly they look out for me just like I did for them. I know of friends that got rich and switched and forgot about the little people, now they are back in the dumps.

One of the best things you can ever do is feed someone who is hungry, they will never forget you.

I like these 2 verses more than most others:

Proverbs 3:28
Say not unto thy neighbour, Go, and come again, and to morrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee.

Ecclesiastes 11:1
Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.
(another version interprets it as - Be generous: Invest in acts of charity. Charity yields high returns.)
Here is the differance between you and I. I give and I don't look for a reward. A thanks is nice but not nessary. A "how can I repay you" is even better. Because its opens the door for me to say pass on the good deed.
Every human should be treated with respect and dignity regardless of their race(there is only one race - the human race) or financial standing, [QUOTE=bsmbahamas] How about gender and gender identity and sexual oriatation??? [QUOTE=bsmbahamas] ever notice how every one hangs out after a hurricane takes away the electricity
and most of the shops are closed that sell vanity items, notice how casually everyone dresses - no neckties and coats? Even the bums seem to be accepted into company during those conditions.

Developing a virtuous character is never a bad thing - you may end up with many fans and be regarded as a mentor/role-model by many.

And don't ever forget about humility:

Ecclesiastes 4:13
Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.

(Just try to correct your pastor even privately)

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Bsmbahamas, with all due respect, you seem to be saying that Vicky is not a Christian because he does not see Jesus by the same light you do. Is that correct?

Vicky said he does not believe in Jesus in response to Rizzo in another post, he said no to 3 distinct questions.
"with all due respect" if respect is offered its she or s/he not he.
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Can you clarify this point?

Vicky admires Jesus teachings like I admire the the teachings of Buddha, but that does not make one a christian.

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And if I may ask another question, what is a Christian? I know that the short answer would be, a follower of Christ but can you elaborate on that?

A christian is more than just a follower of Christ.

1 John 4:3-6
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

First and foremost you must believe and tell others if asked that Jesus came as flesh from God - i.e. he is God's son and came to earth as a human being.

Belief in a creator s not enough:

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Belief that good works without faith is not enough:

Ephesians 2:7-9
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Belief that christ is who he said he was - faith, that he was God's only son, that no man cometh to the father but by him, that he is the only way to God, and repenting of sin. Not to be perfect, but to turn away from sin and try to be a new person. Faith is the most important part. Without faith you cannot be saved, and vicky said he does not believe in Jesus. ANd he does not believe that he is alive. If christ didn't die then our faith is in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:12-17

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

and christ would also be a liar, because he went to prepare a place for us:

John 14:1-3
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

if Vicky believes in Jesus then he also believes that he went to prepare a place for us ...

and again Jesus said:

John 3:16-19
For God(not gods) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

vicky does not believe all this, he believes that christ is dead, if he ever lived at all.

You said you taught religion CG, if you know christianity then you know that salvation is a gift obtained by faith in Jesus, not works.

I am not judging vicky, I am showing him what Jesus himself and the bible says. Jesus will do the judging when he returns. I desire that all be saved. But I want people to be clear on how to be saved - by faith not works, and faith in Jesus.

Trouble is one cannot always distinguish between a Diabolical invitation and a Divine one!

"Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

Well, we know that was Divine, now - but poor Abraham!!!! and what would you have made of that had you been Abraham?


that is true, but what helps me is that evil or satan always comes in the form of lies and granduer!
usualy the two mixed in wtih each other!
satan is a liar, when i used to hear older folks talk about it i didnt quite really understand, but he truly is a liar of charasmatic capabilities.
but...
he is a liar, and i dont think the angel lied to abraham, he said in order to make a sacrifice, you must sacrifice what you love, and that happened to be his son.
it wanst a lie...he would have been rewarded if god really wanted to reward him...it was all a temptation.
to me that is!

that is true, but what helps me is that evil or satan always comes in the form of lies and granduer!
usualy the two mixed in wtih each other!
You might be right, but can you think of anything more filled with grandeur that ordering one to sacrifice ones son to God?

satan is a liar, when i used to hear older folks talk about it i didnt quite really understand, but he truly is a liar of charasmatic capabilities.
but...he is a liar,
True, but he is alos a master of half truths - which are more dangerious that lies themselves.

and i dont think the angel lied to abraham, he said in order to make a sacrifice, you must sacrifice what you love, and that happened to be his son.
it wanst a lie...he would have been rewarded if god really wanted to reward him...it was all a temptation.
to me that is!
I think the Bible says it was more of a test. God plays a rough game! Look what happened to Job.

By the way, it was God who ordered the sacrifice but it was the angel of the Lord that stopped it. Some theologians suggest that the Angel might have been Christ himself. I don't know about that but it is an interesting thought!
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You might be right, but can you think of anything more filled with grandeur that ordering one to sacrifice ones son to God?
but it wasnt a lie...it was the truth, if he werre to have sacrificed, he would have recieved blessings..since he didnt we will never know!
the fact is he was rewarded for his dedication to his lord..first and foremost!


True, but he is alos a master of half truths - which are more dangerious that lies themselves.
they are worse if you ask me..they confuse more than real lies, becasue you cant tell the difference and it loooks so good!


I think the Bible says it was more of a test. God plays a rough game! Look what happened to Job.
God is a rough houser...but the thought is flesh is nothing..flesh goes and comes,but the source of power the real true meaning and love for God!
forget your wordly possesions when it comes to dealing with God...he doesnt need it..its his anyways he can give it and take away!

By the way, it was God who ordered the sacrifice but it was the angel of the Lord that stopped it. Some theologians suggest that the Angel might have been Christ himself. I don't know about that but it is an interesting thought!
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i dont know about that,,,you have some crackpots out there who sometimes you just cant trust to give you the truth!
but if they feel so...then i cant do a ting about it...but the story for what it means stands their strong and hard!
:cheers:

that is true, but what helps me is that evil or satan always comes in the form of lies and granduer!
usualy the two mixed in wtih each other!
satan is a liar, when i used to hear older folks talk about it i didnt quite really understand, but he truly is a liar of charasmatic capabilities.
but...
he is a liar, and i dont think the angel lied to abraham, he said in order to make a sacrifice, you must sacrifice what you love, and that happened to be his son.
it wanst a lie...he would have been rewarded if god really wanted to reward him...it was all a temptation.
to me that is!

just a quick question. What would happen today if a man wanted to sacrifice his son because he said that is what the Creator told him to do?

just a quick question. What would happen today if a man wanted to sacrifice his son because he said that is what the Creator told him to do?

He would be locked up?