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Alien
03-09-08, - 05:44 PM
Well, I start this Sunday off with a few words on the latest CARICOM heads of Government meeting that took place in the Capital this last week.

Every now and then these men and women gather together to exchange platitudes on the need for improvement. Sad to say, they probably came to the wrong country at the wrong time. Not for the lack of exchanging platidues, but for the lack of hearing it from any semblance of re-packaging it, to make it sound better. At least say it differently folks.

For example, both PM Ingraham and Min of State for Finance in the Bahamas, had the bright idea to say, in not so many words; the tourism industry is being challenged as well as being under-developed. I won't quote them directly as to save space on my Sunday bloc.

I mean, can't we even make it sound a little better? We know we have lost it. And, in regards to this adminstration, we never had it (my opinion). Even when they admit to challenges to what they realize is our best strength, they further put it to the test, by putting the investors through the ringer at Bahamar. I mean, the confusion is dumbfounding. I could not have picked a better platform, in regards to putting to question this government's lack of committment in walking the straight and narrow to our known bread and butter.
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Through speaking with CARICOM officials- it's not as if they don't know that we are a one trick pony- they know what we are up against. The lack of true innovation, at the very least innovation in tourism, cannot be evident now with 1. The lack of anything new to say and 2. The scaring off of investors. Whether Bahamar was near to the finish or the PLP left it on the table, don't go and put the death knell to it by scaring them off and anyone else interested. Bahamar village has legs. Sol needs competition and that type of competition, can only come when we set the seeds to an investor to make the committment to make it happen. Even if they had issues, don't play domestic politricks with it- it costs more in the long run.

We should have open arms to people willing to spend money and not trying to knife to the belly of an investor, who may not have Aparthied money to spend in this country, but, at the very least, has the support in the long term of an international player like Harrah's, who by the even the PM's account, is a very viable partner. It's not as if Solly boy was totally ready to roll and it is not as if, the first FNM did not bend over backwards and forwards, to give Solly his start to move forward.

Don't forget, Solly got a sweet deal and he made sure he stuck it in- amidst years of pressure and with that, he had the fortune of working under a 10 year FNM administration. The FNM had time to make sure he followed through with all of the conscessions they gave him- even if he was or was not financially sound when he started. He had an idea and he worked with it. However, we can't leave the vision and project of a former adminstration, up to fair scrutiny from the new administration. Common sense would tell you that he would try to endeavour best to put the screws to it. Hence, this is what they are doing- no more, and no less.

Now, I am not saying the PLP was doing their best. But, come full circle with the deal- especially when you realize Harrah's was interested. It can't all be that bad and, it can't be "go ahead today day" tommorrow it's "we have to stop" then the other day "we like Harrah's" to now "they are pulling out because they don't like the FNM"....it sounds like a dog and pony show, with no dog and just a donkey- even it it says our one trick is old hack! People still pay to see it. To the tune of 3 million this year- so says Solly!
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Shady investment deals in the Bahamas, does sound old hack. LOL.....this does not come with platitude. In fact, shady land deals are best kept in the shade. Better if you can confuse the issue and the actors involved. Sounds familiar!??!?!

Sunday word,

Alien!
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islandgyal
03-09-08, - 06:43 PM
i didn't think that the discussions this week were THAT bad ... first time in a long time that we have anyone saying anything complex about alternative energy development :):

http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish/bis-news-updates/Caricom_19th_Intersessional_Meeting_-_Prime_Minister_Hubert_Ingraham.shtml

RockWell
03-09-08, - 06:51 PM
i didn't think that the discussions this week were THAT bad ... first time in a long time that we have anyone saying anything complex about alternative energy development :):
http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish/bis-news-updates/Caricom_19th_Intersessional_Meeting_-_Prime_Minister_Hubert_Ingraham.shtmlAlternative Energy is a pipe dream.

biggy
03-09-08, - 07:02 PM
Alternative Energy is a pipe dream.

As it stands today,alternative energy is hoax perpetrated by Politicians and environmental groups.

Ethanol costs more to produce than it is worth and yields 25 percent less BTU's per liter.Consequently,trying to produce the stuff a 50lb. sack of flour that was $9.00 6 months ago is $50.00,likewise a bushel of feed corn is up to $5.00. Have you seen the price of all meat lately? Sky high and all because of ethanol production.To top it all off....the stuff can't be shipped by pipeline like oil is,it has to be hauled in diesel powered trucks!:dgi:

islandgyal
03-09-08, - 07:07 PM
As it stands today,alternative energy is hoax perpetrated by Politicians and environmental groups.
Ethanol costs more to produce than it is worth and yields 25 percent less BTU's per liter.Consequently,trying to produce the stuff a 50lb. sack of flour that was $9.00 6 months ago is $50.00,likewise a bushel of feed corn is up to $5.00. Have you seen the price of all meat lately? Sky high and all because of ethanol production.To top it all off....the stuff can't be shipped by pipeline like oil is,it has to be hauled in diesel powered trucks!:dgi:

forget corn ... i'm talking solar and wind, and geothermal. ethanol is an american pipe dream, indeed.

RockWell
03-09-08, - 07:11 PM
forget corn ... i'm talking solar and wind, and geothermal. ethanol is an american pipe dream, indeed.Solar & wind are pipe dreams also.

islandgyal
03-09-08, - 07:13 PM
Solar & wind are pipe dreams also.

well, it's not as though it hasn't been tried and tested.

germany and the netherlands have been at it for sixty years, and would beg to differ with you. france has been doing really well for the past few decades, and texas of all places in the usa in really starting to take off.

RockWell
03-09-08, - 07:19 PM
well, it's not as though it hasn't been tried and tested.
germany and the netherlands have been at it for sixty years, and would beg to differ with you. france has been doing really well for the past few decades, and texas of all places in the usa in really starting to take off.Talk % of consumers on these systems per Country please.An what it takes to produce a kW using these methods.

islandgyal
03-09-08, - 07:24 PM
Talk % of consumers on these systems per Country please.An what it takes to produce a kW using these methods.

depends on the location, i guess ... in the southern california area, 10-15 percent of all energy is derived from wind farms. closer to home, you're talking a footprint of 2-3 acres/kw = wind; 5 acres/kw solar. it's already being actively built out throughout the caribbean, so to give comparables that would make sense here ... check http://www.delta-caribbean.com.

in barbados, all new commercial and residential structures have to incorporate alternative energy (solar water, etc.) into their construction. and the bahamas would make for an excellent fit, given our various islands over a disparate area. BEC's centralized grid isn't exactly working.

biggy
03-09-08, - 07:26 PM
Talk % of consumers on these systems per Country please.An what it takes to produce a kW using these methods.
A lot of truth there. There was a recent industry report that stated it costs 14 cents a kilowatt hour to produce electricity using the most efficient wind generation system,versus 2 cents a kilowatt hour using the latest clean burning coal fired plants. With nuclear powered plants being the cheapest way to produce power,but gave no figures.

RockWell
03-09-08, - 07:29 PM
depends on the location, i guess ... in the southern california area, 10-15 percent of all energy is derived from wind farms. closer to home, you're talking a footprint of 2-3 acres/kw = wind; 5 acres/kw solar. it's already being actively built out throughout the caribbean, so to give comparables that would make sense here ... check http://www.delta-caribbean.com.
in barbados, all new commercial and residential structures have to incorporate alternative energy (solar water, etc.) into their construction. and the bahamas would make for an excellent fit, given our various islands over a disparate area. BEC's centralized grid isn't exactly working.Ok I just googled Germany and this is what I found.

http://curtrosengren.typepad.com/alternative_energy/2005/03/germany_commits.html

RockWell
03-09-08, - 07:34 PM
http://www.delta-caribbean.com. These people have fat in the fire and every thing they post must be taken with a BOX of salt. As to the Barbados thingy can you post a link please.

biggy
03-09-08, - 07:41 PM
http://www.delta-caribbean.com. These people have fat in the fire and every thing they post must be taken with a BOX of salt. As to the Barbados thingy can you post a link please.

We had the same type of wind generation farms out on Block Island RI. 30 years ago. We had plenty of wind,but between the breakdown of equipment and the loud noise of the windmills "night and day"............not one stands today.

islandgyal
03-09-08, - 08:01 PM
http://www.delta-caribbean.com. These people have fat in the fire and every thing they post must be taken with a BOX of salt. As to the Barbados thingy can you post a link please.

whatever. i'm talking research and facts. you can cast aspersions as to intentions, but delta-caribbean is the sub of delta n.v. that has been proving its case quite a while as the oldest purveyor of such technologies.

barbados:
http://www.inforse.dk/s_e_news_art.php3?id=149

as for costs, last research that was done for eleuthera based on its prevailing winds showed 14 cents/kwh for wind vs. 17 cents/kwh for diesel-generated electricity, which is pertinent to the bahamas and BEC's take on the entire concept.

islandgyal
03-09-08, - 08:05 PM
We had the same type of wind generation farms out on Block Island RI. 30 years ago. We had plenty of wind,but between the breakdown of equipment and the loud noise of the windmills "night and day"............not one stands today.

sure, maintenance is key. the wind farms in palm springs, california have been in place since the 1960s:

http://www.inforse.dk/s_e_news_art.php3?id=149 ... have never heard complaints as to the sound of a windmill, though. could that be a maintenance issue as well?