It's time someone spoke the truth about a long lasting, seemingly unshakable lie. It is lie that has grown on us over the years. A lie that we have told so consistently that it has, to us, become the truth. It is the lie we call christmas.

Fact
The period of festivities we call the holidays, culminating on the 25th December was originally a pagan period dedicated to the greek god saturn. During this period people celebrated for seven days ending on the 25th when they exchanged visits and gifts in honor of saturn.

Fact
December 25th was the birthday of a famous person who changed the world forever. Shepherds, told about his birth, came and worshiped him where he lay. His name was spread through out the world. His name was Mithras. the sun god. This day was set apart as a holy day thousands of years before the birth of another famous God, Jesus Christ.
How did they worship the sun god? The same way we worship him today!
The christmas tree: Yup that's right every year they would cut down an evergreen tree and lite it up in worship of the powerful sun god. They would also lite up yule logs for the same purpose. That's why we call it the yule tide season.
Have you ever asked yourself what a christmas tree, mistletoe, satan claus, I mean santa claus and flying reindeer has to do with the little baby jesus story. Of course you haven't you just do what ever your parents pass on to you.
The church for years told us that jesus was born on December 25th. Now the truth is out so they are now saying that that is not really the day but only when we celebrate it. So you mean to tell me that the church was lying to us for hundreds of years. Nooooooo!
We still sing songs implying it:
"Mary's boy child Jesus Christ was born on christmas day.....and man shall live forever more because of christmas day".
Jesus could not have been born in the winter because Shepherds would not have been out in a cold winter night watching sheep.

Fact
Jesus, the disciples nor the early church celebrated christmas. It was founded by the Pagan Roman Constantine. He fused christianity and paganism. Go research it. The catholics invented the word christmas. It was called Christ mass. It was when they came together and did their christmas/pagan rituals. Yet today us none catholics still practice mass every year in the name of the sun god.
Christmas was considered a pagan practice by the protestant church. It was common knowledge among protestants that anyone who recognized it was simply going to hell. but today we protestants celebrate it as if it was commanded by God since Adam. What happened. Well this period was a festive period for the catholics and as a result people from other churches wanting to join in the fun left their churches and started going to the catholics. the protestants started loosing tithe money so to get it back they joined the christmas band wagon.
Infact. Christmas was not recognized in America until the early 1900s. It was considered by the very religious founding fathers as an english pagan practice.

I know the christians reading this are saying: whats wrong with celebrating Jesus' birth. NOTHING. They asked this same question when Martin Luther challenged the catholic theory of paying money to the church to save your dead parents from purgatory and allow them to enter heaven. The christians argued that even if there is no purgatory there is nothing wrong with giving money to they church.
The problem is, God is a God of integrity. God believes that when you mix a lie with the truth it is a lie. You see, you can't mix the old wine and a new bottle. God is a jealous God and he hates Idols. Yet the church continues to carry on the legacy of the sun god without conscience. Ignorance is no excuse.

Last "Christmas Sunday" I was sitting in The New Mt Zion Baptist Church listening to a sermon by a visiting preacher. He was preaching from Matthew 2 on the jesus birth story. He read each verse with the congregation and did a commentary on each verse as they read it. But then something strange happened. When he got to verse 11 he skipped reading it and started telling the story of the three wise men coming and finding Jesus in a stable full of animals. This was strange because the verse says that the wise men (could have been two or a thousand- it didn't say three) found Jesus with Mary in a house not a stable!. He chose to omit this and tell his stable story. But that's not strange, Pastors always add and take away as they please.
Luke does make mention that Shepherds found him lying in a manger. A manger is another word for a crib. Though it was the same word as the thing they used to feed animals. Go research it. He was found in a house in a crib. there is no mention of no stable or no animals.
Nonetheless, enjoy your ham and turkey and the gifts from SATAN: I mean santa (I'm sorry but they are both big guys in red suits). Enjoy lying to your kids about SATAN'S/santa's coming on christmas eve. Enjoy this period of materialism. This yule tide season. Have all the fun you can now celebrating his first coming because when he returns there is going to be hell to pay.

Interesting stuff. Whats the news on Santa Claus/ St Nich? Is/was he for real?

very good stuff.....
but to defend christianity just a bit.....we celebrate the day, and we always ask to remember the reason for the season, we cant help it if people associate it with whatever they do...before or after!
and we cant help it either if they celebrated something else on the same day we want...celebrating it on the same day doesnt mean we stole it, we just celebrate it on the same day!
we adopted the gift giving becasue jesus gave to us when he was born all through his life, and the wise men brought gifts....the xmas tree and whatnot you have a point, and santa...but saint nick was a saint, who gave at christmas time...and he beleived in the christmas being for christ!

to be honest you can say christians stole passover to,,,isnt passover the same time as easter???
:friday:
celebrate how you want, but the people who go to church know the reason for their season!
:angel:

remember the reason for the season....OUR SEASON!!

Santa Claus was a myth. The santa we know today originated in north america. He was made to look like a robber barren while having the opposite attitude from a robber barren: giving his wealth instead of taking it.
The saint Nick you talk about was a euro myth. It originated from a god- I think Oden- who rode that night on a flying horse to whip naughty people. People, especially Germans were terrified of him and did not come out on the night before th 25th.
That legend was transformed to a good guy in a bishops robe, on a flying horse that brought sweets for good kids and none for bad ones.
that morphed to sinter Klaas or saint nicholas (the one you are talking about) who made his rounds on dec 5 (not on christmas) And passed passed out sweets to good kids. he was accompanied by an elf call black petter who would whip naughty kids. This historical saint nick was venerated by in christian legend for saving storm tossed sailors, defending kids, giving gifts to poor. This chistian version of saint nick incorperated varios pagan gift givers such as the roman Befanaand germanKnecht Ruprecht.
the Saint nick legend was attched to christmas after the reformation.
The myth of saint nick was shattered when pope paul VI in 1969 dropped the feast of saint nick from the calender and dismissed the myth.
If you want to known about the american version of saint nick I can tell you.
But about people doing something on our day that is simply not the truth. It was the result of constantine mixing the two religions for political reasons.
Remember god is a god of integrity. dont mix- walk not in the council of the ungodly.
If you want me to go into more detail about this just ask. I will tell you the real reason for the season.

Something worth noting;
When America did re'allow' christmas in the early ninteen hundreds it was not as a christian festival but a secular one. They reinvented santa as a gift bringing elf. He was later transformed into a human in a 1931 coca cola commercial. The commercialism and materialism comtinues to this day.
Ironically the story that made santa famous "twas the night before christmas" was written by a priest Clement Clarke Moore who felt so guilty about writing the secular christmas poem that he published it anonymously. Then later as it spread like a juicy romour he claimed it.

Oh and easter and passover is not the same thing. Easter was The festive period to worship the Queen of heaven. It was called Istar. It was a month different from the passover. The romans forced the pagan festival on its people. The english refused for a will until the romans encouraged them with blood shed to accept the pagan Easter and fused it with passover. Thats were the easter eggs and hot cross buns etc comes from- the pagans. Elijah wrote about the heathens making there buns to there gods. It was an abomination to God.
If you want more details don't be afraid to ask.

Oh and easter and passover is not the same thing. Easter was The festive period to worship the Queen of heaven. It was called Istar. It was a month different from the passover. The romans forced the pagan festival on its people. The english refused for a will until the romans encouraged them with blood shed to accept the pagan Easter and fused it with passover. Thats were the easter eggs and hot cross buns etc comes from- the pagans. Elijah wrote about the heathens making there buns to there gods. It was an abomination to God.
If you want more details don't be afraid to ask.



"Eostre" ;) ..is the proper name!
and same thing lincoln...then the pagas must have stole the passover from the jews and so on and so forth...
the point is....just because we celebrate on the same day, doesnt mean anyone stole anything!
we celebrate the death of christ if you really want to be politicaly correct or for a lack of a better name on the day whe it is!
40 days after lent..or at the crucifixion or what ever you want to call it for yourself.....

just becasue there is more than one celebration on the same day doesnt mea anyone person owns it!
kapeesh!!!

"Eostre" ;) ..is the proper name!
and same thing lincoln...then the pagas must have stole the passover from the jews and so on and so forth...
the point is....just because we celebrate on the same day, doesnt mean anyone stole anything!
we celebrate the death of christ if you really want to be politicaly correct or for a lack of a better name on the day whe it is!
40 days after lent..or at the crucifixion or what ever you want to call it for yourself.....

just becasue there is more than one celebration on the same day doesnt mea anyone person owns it!
kapeesh!!!

Ister is the proper name.
This is not about celebrating on the same day this is about mixing both religions, which is an abomination to both gods, and forgeting the truth.

Christians have stolen many traditions from pagan or heathen cultures. Through their reasoning it is merely a coincidence that all of these pagan festivals and rituals follow and are on the very same days. Go figure! :dgi:

Just some quick questions...

did you do some kind of studying in college/school on this stuff?

Have you ever told your family/friends your view/ "the facts" about this season?

Does your family have the same view on the topic as you do?

what do you and your family do this time of year when everyone else is "celebrating"?


Thanks..I'll wait for your responses...


Cool?....cool... :cool:

These are some good questions. I must admit it is not easy to stand up for truth when everyone around you is enjoying the bliss of ignorance. But to answer your questions...

did you do some kind of studying in college/school on this stuff?

I studied Computer Science and Biz Man. in college. But I like how Miles Monroe put it when he say said 90% of what he knows he learned outside of college. You see, Rizzo If we depend on the system to teach us truth we are never going to find it because system benefit from keeping us away from the truth. College only teaches you to be a modern day slave. The truth is out there for anyone who wants it we just choose to be lazy and go along with what ever . Seek and you will find.

Have you ever told your family/friends your view/ "the facts" about this season?

Of course. The bible says that if we see someone going astray we have a duty to warn them, because if we don't they will die in there iniquity but there sins will be on us. May family has not had a christmas tree or any of the pagan stuff from I was young. My father never gave me a christmas gift. But I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he loved me enough to die for me. He taught me to Appreciate Christ everyday not once a year.
I am around alot a preachers because of what I do and I have talked to many of them about this. All so far agree except one. All of them knew all of the info I gave but for what ever reason choose not to share the knowledge with the public.

Does your family have the same view on the topic as you do?

Yes but it's not easy to be baptist who don't celebrate xmas. Though not so long ago a baptist or any protestant celebrating xmas could have been excommunicated. Boy how quickly we forget.

what do you and your family do this time of year when everyone else is "celebrating"?

We do what ever we want. Sometimes I even go to christmas parties or church service if I want. Freedom is a must. Tonite I am going to the movies with my nephew. he is traveling with me around Texas and other states on a business trip. He didn't even realize that today was christmas until we turned on the Heat, Kobe game.
I should not feel obligated to buy you a gift. I can if I want to. But the must important rule of all is freedom.
The way the system controls our most powerful weapon- LOVE- is by Forcing us to only use it on certain days. Christmas, Easter, Mothers day, Sunday, Valentines day. Imagine you were fighting a war and your enemy found a way to get you to only attack him on, say, one day a month. Or even worse once a year. I think he may have a good chance of defeating you. What do you think? Well that's one of his strategies.
I choose to be free.
Question everything Rizzo!
Seek and you will find

Christians have stolen many traditions from pagan or heathen cultures. Through their reasoning it is merely a coincidence that all of these pagan festivals and rituals follow and are on the very same days. Go figure! :dgi:

Christianity is a religion based on ignorance. And you smell the fowl odour of ignorance on their breath every time one of the opens their mouth to speak

I have a few questions for you, Lincoln. Where did you find all of this stuff you speak of? Also, how can you say that Christianity is a religion based on ignorance, yet in your photo you're dressed like a Christian preacher? What's up with that?

Just asking...pls respond

Also, how can you say that Christianity is a religion based on ignorance, yet in your photo you're dressed like a Christian preacher? What's up with that?
He is dressed in graduation garb, you bloody fool.

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I have a few questions for you, Lincoln. Where did you find all of this stuff you speak of? Also, how can you say that Christianity is a religion based on ignorance, yet in your photo you're dressed like a Christian preacher? What's up with that?

Just asking...pls respond

Hi zulu
I fould it in so many places that it would be alot of work to do a bibliography for you here. I study alot. I took a few years off from everything to study.
But that isn't really necessary you can find any of this stuff in a typical encyclopedia- honestly. There are also documentories on the history channel all the time on religios history. Infact a documentory on the history of Christmas was on on the 23 of december. I was watching it with a friend and it confirmed to them all I had been trying to get them to study. Go to historychannel.com and search the tv listings for the 23rd dec. and you'll see it. you can even order the DVD.
If you really want a list of books then I will email it to you upon requests. Maybe even lend you one.

About my dress I am not dressed like a Christian preacher. I am wearing a brownish suit a tie and a vest. What does that have to do with a christian preacher's dress. Business people dress the same way. Everyone who knows me knows I dont dress that way. At church when I go I wear a jeans and T shirt. At business meetings I wear mostly jeans or soft pants and a shirt.
But what if I was dress like a preacher? Does that mean that because I am dressed like a preacher that they are not ignorant?

zulu I like your name. Study its history, it will inspire you. The Capelton song you are quoting from at the bottom of your message is one of my favorite songs. It inspires me everytime I am going through something.
Oh, and man can destroy anything, But what makes God amazing is that he can start creating again from nothing. We can only build on what he supplies.

He is dressed in graduation garb, you bloody fool.

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It only looks like I am wearing a robe because of how delroy cut the picture when he posted it. I was in the pic with my girl so he cut her out at an angle and it gives that appearance. Again, I am wearing a suit vest and tie. A rare thing for me.