once again controversey surrounding junkanoo is in the air

[lawabidingbahamian]

Has any one notice since 2002 there has never been so much confusion and controversey surrounding the new years and boxing day annual junkanoo parades from the bleachers to who won to now ticket refund :dancer2:

i am of the view that junkanoo is now being replaced as a family fun event, to a monopoly for the greedy and selfish. i much rather see the scrap groups than the big large groups...my favorite is the sting :bouncy:

whould our famous cultural attraction be ship wrecked before we truly realize whats going on..... :sailing:


am listening.


THE GRASS IS GROWING WHILE THE COWS ARE DYING.

[CG]

Has any one notice since 2002 there has never been so much confusion and controversey surrounding the new years and boxing day annual junkanoo parades from the bleachers to who won to now ticket refund :dancer2:

i am of the view that junkanoo is now being replaced as a family fun event, to a monopoly for the greedy and selfish. i much rather see the scrap groups than the big large groups...my favorite is the sting :bouncy:

whould our famous cultural attraction be ship wrecked before we truly realize whats going on..... :sailing:


am listening.


THE GRASS IS GROWING WHILE THE COWS ARE DYING.

At one time, Junkanoo looked like fun! Today it looks like work! People are taking a spontaneous out-burst of joy and celebration and turning it into a business.

Will Junkanoo die? Not as long as there is a $ to be made! But Junkanoo, as it was celebrated in my day, is already dead.

[lawabidingbahamian]

did anyone see how zns screw up the color........lol
congrats to the saxons on a magnificant performance.........and the sting lmao watching them civil servants :tup:

[CG]

did anyone see how zns screw up the color........lol
Yes, but we should be used to that! (I wish there was an icon for "resigned.")


congrats to the saxons on a magnificant performance.........and the sting lmao watching them civil servants :tup:

Well done Saxons!

[Alien]

well it better we make money off of it before someone else does!
it had to come..it just had to be made into a money matter, which i am not against!

what i am against is in the process, we should not lose our support for the scrap groups and the individual performance.

in the 80's...talk about monopoly and collusion..the entire 80's was all about corporate greed in junkanoo...and i think that coupled with the early 90's saw the worst of coporate money whores involved in junkanoo...now its organized money operation!

at carnival those partied arent free...they cost money to go to...and a drink..get outa here!
you look at the pics, and say yea..its one big party..but you dont see the vendors selling drinks as they go along!!
what i want to say to is...the actual freedom atmosphere hasnt been lost..people can still dance in the streets....and bring their liquor with them!

junkanoo, should always faccilitate the bay street bystanders, and the smaller scrap groups and individual effort,which in this case i feel hasnt been lost!
at least for now...
:voodoo:

[lawabidingbahamian]

See just like i said, it is because the focus is more on greed and money other than anything else :hot: How is it that it was so conveinent that an important score sheet was missing??? :liar: when these folks knowing how much controversey was around last years New years parade!

these people obviously don't know what they are doing :board2: :dunce: ...have anyone else notice that it seems to this Government that only a certain circle of person have sense in ths country........every time there is something happening there is always the same clowns in front of the television....the minister while his intentions may be good,needs to do some house cleaning and get our number one cultural event in order....before this situation gets outta hand..... :screw:

[CG]

I can't understand how a score sheet could have been missing! With all due respect, judging Junkanoo is not brain surgery! If one is a judge one should have noticed that a sheet was missing right away.

[lawabidingbahamian]

:jawdroop: :sparky: :realmad: :taped:

[CG]

:jawdroop: :sparky: :realmad: :taped:

You took the words right out of my mouth! :rolleyes:

[Alien]

I can't understand how a score sheet could have been missing! With all due respect, judging Junkanoo is not brain surgery! If one is a judge one should have noticed that a sheet was missing right away.



isnt that rocket surgery!!!
:sarcastic

[CG]

isnt that rocket surgery!!!
:sarcastic

No, Brain Surgery. What you are thinking about is Rocket Science. :)

[Alien]

No, Brain Surgery. What you are thinking about is Rocket Science. :)



oh right right right....... :cutie:
my bad!!!

maybe a full labotomy on vicky may help solve this problem!!!
:o

[parietal_03]

well it better we make money off of it before someone else does!
it had to come..it just had to be made into a money matter, which i am not against!

what i am against is in the process, we should not lose our support for the scrap groups and the individual performance.

in the 80's...talk about monopoly and collusion..the entire 80's was all about corporate greed in junkanoo...and i think that coupled with the early 90's saw the worst of coporate money whores involved in junkanoo...now its organized money operation!

at carnival those partied arent free...they cost money to go to...and a drink..get outa here!
you look at the pics, and say yea..its one big party..but you dont see the vendors selling drinks as they go along!!
what i want to say to is...the actual freedom atmosphere hasnt been lost..people can still dance in the streets....and bring their liquor with them!

junkanoo, should always faccilitate the bay street bystanders, and the smaller scrap groups and individual effort,which in this case i feel hasnt been lost!
at least for now...
:voodoo:

Were I still as passionate about junkanoo I'd agree to this. So true. And not just the scrap groups that represent the primitivism of the art, but those that have ideas and concepts that could take it through respectable changes one generally expects from thinking Bahamian artists.
Many a time have I met people with valid suggestions that were do-able and ground-breaking only to have them shut down by mammon-oriented committees only concerned and preoccupied with obtaining the most from junkanoo with minimal investment of artistic expression.
I used to long for a Junkanoo group willing to organize and "rush" in protest outside of the Boxing Day and New Year's Day Parades.
I used to long for a group with the independant mind to form it's own Council separate from the tainted one those who have posted here find fault with.
I used to be interested in seeing junkanoo taken to a more psychedelic/transcendant, even more so visually unique level.

In 1999 I was approached by a Junkanoo group leader for fresh ideas concerning the 2000 Parade and had them shot down one-by-one as a result of his limited vision:

We know that the burning of different gases or elements may produce flames of different colors, we learnt this in high school...is there any way we can construct a mechanism for SAFELY burning different gases in the goatskin drum. This way, keeping the old and bringing about the future, the man looks me square in the eye and says: "I don't have time for that."
Yet, he and his brother somehow find the time to appear on "Native Stew" (much respect to Derek/Godsign) to brag bout' how innovative he trying to make Junkanoo.
I asked him about incorporating live animals in a parade, he said, "That's against the law."
Further excuses were, "That would mean that we'd have to sit out this years' parade", "Een' nobody else out there doin things like what you saying."

Eventually, I lost interest with working within a boxed-in mentality in terms of what I then considered my national form expression. Eventually, I grew to resent almost anything concerning "Tribes" and 'tribe-like mentality.'
I would've understood and accepted if those parameters were in place for building discipline, but they are not.
They are there for committees and councils to control how much money is put in and made every year.

[Teniel]

The corporate strangle hold that is now choking the life out of Junkanoo has got to be released now. What happened to Junkanoo for the people and for the pleasure of the tourists, so they can see what grass roots Bahamian culture is all about? And whats up with these gargantuan sized groups, that essentially thwart the presence of smaller gruops that deserve just as much exposure in the parade. A size limit on Junkanno participants in any one group should be limited. One group should not have 1000, 2000 paricipants. I think this would make for a fairer judging for one thing, and more evened out exposure for all the Junkanoo participants. Also we need to get judges with some sense, and lets leave the politics out for once for goodness sake :hot:

[lawabidingbahamian]

:dancer: :dancer2: lol

The corporate strangle hold that is now choking the life out of Junkanoo has got to be released now. What happened to Junkanoo for the people and for the pleasure of the tourists, so they can see what grass roots Bahamian culture is all about? And whats up with these gargantuan sized groups, that essentially thwart the presence of smaller gruops that deserve just as much exposure in the parade. A size limit on Junkanno participants in any one group should be limited. One group should not have 1000, 2000 paricipants. I think this would make for a fairer judging for one thing, and more evened out exposure for all the Junkanoo participants. Also we need to get judges with some sense, and lets leave the politics out for once for goodness sake :hot: