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A few people are talking about Constantine's changes or even creation(?) of the bible as we know it.

I know very little on the subject, and reading through hundreds of pages really ain't my cup of tea.

Can you guys post some of this info along with links for verification?


I believe that if you have the Spirit of in your heart you will be able to discern fact from fiction. This is why Paul prayed that the church should posess the gift of discernment. If you have the gift of discernment you should be able to detect any error if it existed in the Bible. I have found none.

I have learned that inconsistencies are a result of my own lack of understanding of the word. So I prayed that I will never doubt. The Bible teaches us that we must not be tossed to-and-fro by every wind that comes our way but to be stable and grounded in what we know to be true because we are witness to the transforming power of the Spirit of God. You see the world does not know the Spirit so they need to be convinced. We however know the Spirit so we need not be convinced. Who then should be leading who?

The Bible is the mind of God so for us to fully understand it we must first believe in God. Only God can teach us the truth and only Him can guide us.

One of satan's most powerful weapon is Distraction. The pursuit of knowledge is a "good thing" but not every "good thing" is beneficial. Satan wants us to get consumed useless text and deeds so that we might be detoured from our purpose.

Here is my advice:
- Read the Bible.
- Allow the Spirit to guide you.
- Know your purpose in life.
- Everything outside of your purpose is a distraction.

I read a lot of the distracting article - to date none of them seem to be more provable as fact than the bible.

I have read of many times where the bible has been reconciled with history, it is said to be more accurate than the history recorded by the egyptians.

I am also studying the Masons and the occult.

They all are contrary to the bible as expected.

I test everything by the fruits of the spirit and most importantly by the following verse:

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

A book I read about satanism said that satanists cannot say that Jesus Christ was flesh and God.

and it seems like most unbelievers have a hard time saying/confessing the same as well ...

but there will come a day that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess, and each person will give an account of himself to God ...

Romans 14:10-12

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Believe me Delroy I am not swayed in my belief that Christ came from God as flesh, was sentenced to death for the crime of blasphemy and is resurrected
and went to prepare a place for us.

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"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God"

1 Cor. 6:9-10

There are thousands of beliefs in the world with new ones being created everyday and it is impossible to study them all. When I first started in the faith I thought it necessary to know about these beliefs also until I found that they all were covered in the Bible. You see bsm, Solomon was right when he said that there is nothing new under the sun. They only look and speak differently but underneath they are the same as the ones before them. The Bible is timeless and what applied in the past still applies today.

I believe that if you have the Spirit of in your heart you will be able to discern fact from fiction. This is why Paul prayed that the church should posess the gift of discernment. If you have the gift of discernment you should be able to detect any error if it existed in the Bible. I have found none.

Then you clearly do not have the spirit of "discernment". Delroy, even the this pope has apologized for not only crusades etc but for the Catholics altering of the bible. Even them who create what we call the bible as we know it no longer consider it the only valid scripture. That's why they use other scripture in their services.

I have learned that inconsistencies are a result of my own lack of understanding of the word. So I prayed that I will never doubt. The Bible teaches us that we must not be tossed to-and-fro by every wind that comes our way but to be stable and grounded in what we know to be true because we are witness to the transforming power of the Spirit of God. You see the world does not know the Spirit so they need to be convinced. We however know the Spirit so we need not be convinced. Who then should be leading who?

Delroy, the word of god existed from the beginning: Long before the catholics put together the bible. The bible itself told you to try EVERYTHING. IT SAID TRY EVEN THE SPIRITS CAUSE NOT EVERY SPIRIT OF LIGHT IS OF GOD. so why don't you try the bible. You see no error because you look at it blindly. You were not told to be grounded in bible you were told to seek.
Even the bible never refers to itself as the word of God.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
The Bible is the mind of God so for us to fully understand it we must first believe in God. Only God can teach us the truth and only Him can guide us.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
I and indeed God himself is insulted that you would reduce Gods mind to that which man can put to pen and paper. The bible is not the mind of God. I am highly insulted by this statement. Can you find backing in the bible for this statement. You are like the Catholics who preached purgatory and as a defence of it said you must just believe and know in your heart that it exists because if you don't believe you are in error and lack understanding. Again, DON'T EVER INSULT MY GOD LIKE THIS AGAIN. mANS HAND CAN NEVER WRITE THE MIND OF GOD. HE SAID THAT HIMSELF- IN THE BIBLE: SEE BOOK OF JOB.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
One of satan's most powerful weapon is Distraction. The pursuit of knowledge is a "good thing" but not every "good thing" is beneficial. Satan wants us to get consumed useless text and deeds so that we might be detoured from our purpose.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
THAT IS WHY HE DISTRACTED YOU FROM THE TRUE WORD OF GOD BY MAKING YOU REDUCE IT TO A STACK OF PAPERS. AS A RESULT YOU WILL NEVER TRULY KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.
PAUL SAID IN 2CORINTHIANS 3 THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS NOT OF THE LETTER (WRITTEN) BUT OF THE SPIRIT FOR THE LETTER KILLETH BUT THE SPIRIT BRINGS LIFE.
what you call the word is not the word. Hebrews 8 says God put the 'word in every mans mind heart and wrote them in their heart.
That which is on paper restricts and brings death. It has some value but is terribly flawed and should not be read blindly as you read it.
I will do a tread on the inaccuracies of the bible. with a brief history of it (for e.g did you know it originated in babylon- hence the name bible/babel).
The purpose of the thread will not be to shatter your belief but to help you find it. This thread will break down the wall that the heathen xtians have placed are the bible and expose those scriptures that they refuse to read in church.

I have found my belief. Thank you!
Anyone who thinks clearly would know what I meant by the Bible being the mind of God. I am amazed that you thought of it to mean what you said seeing how educated you are in literature.

Then you clearly do not have the spirit of "discernment". Delroy, even the this pope has apologized for not only crusades etc but for the Catholics altering of the bible. Even them who create what we call the bible as we know it no longer consider it the only valid scripture. That's why they use other scripture in their services.

Delroy, the word of god existed from the beginning: Long before the catholics put together the bible. The bible itself told you to try EVERYTHING. IT SAID TRY EVEN THE SPIRITS CAUSE NOT EVERY SPIRIT OF LIGHT IS OF GOD. so why don't you try the bible. You see no error because you look at it blindly. You were not told to be grounded in bible you were told to seek.
Even the bible never refers to itself as the word of God.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
The Bible is the mind of God so for us to fully understand it we must first believe in God. Only God can teach us the truth and only Him can guide us.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
I and indeed God himself is insulted that you would reduce Gods mind to that which man can put to pen and paper. The bible is not the mind of God. I am highly insulted by this statement. Can you find backing in the bible for this statement. You are like the Catholics who preached purgatory and as a defence of it said you must just believe and know in your heart that it exists because if you don't believe you are in error and lack understanding. Again, DON'T EVER INSULT MY GOD LIKE THIS AGAIN. mANS HAND CAN NEVER WRITE THE MIND OF GOD. HE SAID THAT HIMSELF- IN THE BIBLE: SEE BOOK OF JOB.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
One of satan's most powerful weapon is Distraction. The pursuit of knowledge is a "good thing" but not every "good thing" is beneficial. Satan wants us to get consumed useless text and deeds so that we might be detoured from our purpose.
[QUOTE=Delroy]
THAT IS WHY HE DISTRACTED YOU FROM THE TRUE WORD OF GOD BY MAKING YOU REDUCE IT TO A STACK OF PAPERS. AS A RESULT YOU WILL NEVER TRULY KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.
PAUL SAID IN 2CORINTHIANS 3 THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS NOT OF THE LETTER (WRITTEN) BUT OF THE SPIRIT FOR THE LETTER KILLETH BUT THE SPIRIT BRINGS LIFE.
what you call the word is not the word. Hebrews 8 says God put the 'word in every mans mind heart and wrote them in their heart.
That which is on paper restricts and brings death. It has some value but is terribly flawed and should not be read blindly as you read it.
I will do a tread on the inaccuracies of the bible. with a brief history of it (for e.g did you know it originated in babylon- hence the name bible/babel).
The purpose of the thread will not be to shatter your belief but to help you find it. This thread will break down the wall that the heathen xtians have placed are the bible and expose those scriptures that they refuse to read in church.


Sounds good to me, I am not afraid of the truth. If you can prove that the bible is not to be trusted what shall I convert to.

Didn't you say you were also a christian?

Sounds good to me, I am not afraid of the truth. If you can prove that the bible is not to be trusted what shall I convert to.

Didn't you say you were also a christian?


I guess we can form a new religion until a group of our members decides to have a crusade. :sarcastic

I am also studying the Masons and the occult.
They all are contrary to the bible as expected.

So why are you following their leaders. All of the truly powerful christian leaders are masons:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
All the baptist leaders including local ones like my former principal Charles Saunders.
BENNY HINN
BILLYGRAHAM
PAUL CROUCH (founder of TBN)
KENNETH COPELAND
ORAL ROBERTS
PAT BUCHANAN
JOHN HAGEE
WALLACE HARTSFIELD- VICE CHAIR, CONGRESS OF NATIONAL BLACK CHURCHES
T J JEMISON- past president of National Baptist Convention
LEON H SULLIVAN- chairman OIC of America
NORMAN VINCENT PEALE
ROBERT SCHULLER
All of your leaders. So you admit that masonry is contrary to scripture yet you follow its leaders and their teachings.
WATCH AND PRAY LEST YOU FALL INTO TEMPTATION.
You say you test everything. Maybe now its time to test your leaders. If they are blameless then recant your statement about the masons. If masonry is wrong then something is wrong with the leadership of your religion.

So why are you following their leaders. All of the truly powerful christian leaders are masons:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
All the baptist leaders including local ones like my former principal Charles Saunders.
BENNY HINN
BILLYGRAHAM
PAUL CROUCH (founder of TBN)
KENNETH COPELAND
ORAL ROBERTS
PAT BUCHANAN
JOHN HAGEE
WALLACE HARTSFIELD- VICE CHAIR, CONGRESS OF NATIONAL BLACK CHURCHES
T J JEMISON- past president of National Baptist Convention
LEON H SULLIVAN- chairman OIC of America
NORMAN VINCENT PEALE
ROBERT SCHULLER
All of your leaders. So you admit that masonry is contrary to scripture yet you follow its leaders and their teachings.
WATCH AND PRAY LEST YOU FALL INTO TEMPTATION.
You say you test everything. Maybe now its time to test your leaders. If they are blameless then recant your statement about the masons. If masonry is wrong then something is wrong with the leadership of your religion.


Oh, good list. I can't deny that I like John Hagee. But where did you get this info?

I really don't follow anyone on your list blindly, as many of them would assert that you can be saved by works without grace, and we know that salvation is a gift. I follow the bible and test everything against it. Did any of those people on your list write the bible?

And Billy Graham denied that he is a Mason. But Bill Clinton is a member of the Skull and Crossbones and he and his mom loves Ozzy Osbourne - a proffessed satanist that bites the heads off chickens and bats sometimes during his performance.

I don't follow those people, I follow the bible. I am not a member of religion I am a christian based on the bible's version of a christian. And like Vicky often says - prove your list.

besides this thread is about Constantine.

forgive me if I sound rude, that is not my intention. (I know you from high school.)

Sounds good to me, I am not afraid of the truth. If you can prove that the bible is not to be trusted what shall I convert to.

Didn't you say you were also a christian?

While I was on tour in germany with delroys pastor Miles Monroe he said something that blew the minds of everyone sitting in the conference. He said:
"I used to call myself a christian but now that I know the truth I don't call myself a Christian anymore. Christianity is a religion. Jesus did not come to bring religion. He came to bring a kingdom".
I to am not a christian but I believe in and understand the true meaning of christ. I believe religion has its values but in order to get to where we should be as a race we must surpass religion. It is of the tree of knowledge. We must climb the tree of life.
In the beginning there was no church, no pastor, no religion and it was good. We were simply man living on our planet fulfilling our purpose of being extensions of God. As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end.
There is nothing to convert to. We are what we need to be. Christ is all and in all (paul) We are here simply to be. The gospel is simply the good news about who we are. When we realize who we are then there will be no more need of religion.

While I was on tour in germany with delroys pastor Miles Monroe.



Dr. Monroe is not my Pastor. I am not a member of any church. I attended BFM a few times this year to hear a teaching that was specific to my purpose. That teaching is over.

Thank you.

Oh, good list. I can't deny that I like John Hagee. But where did you get this info?

I really don't follow anyone on your list blindly, as many of them would assert that you can be saved by works without grace, and we know that salvation is a gift. I follow the bible and test everything against it. Did any of those people on your list write the bible?

And Billy Graham denied that he is a Mason. But Bill Clinton is a member of the Skull and Crossbones and he and his mom loves Ozzy Osbourne - a proffessed satanist that bites the heads off chickens and bats sometimes during his performance.

I don't follow those people, I follow the bible. I am not a member of religion I am a christian based on the bible's version of a christian. And like Vicky often says - prove your list.

besides this thread is about Constantine.

forgive me if I sound rude, that is not my intention. (I know you from high school.)

I like John Hagee to.
Billy Grahams organization eventually denied that he was a mason. He never did.
Clinton is also a mason.
Hey research is so easy. Do some research first and then if you come up empty then ask me for help.
As a people we have a lazy tendency to let people spoon feed us. I do not intend to give you fish but to inspire you to do so for yourself because I believe that if you truly empty yourself and seek true fulfillment you will find.
Give me an email and tell me who you is school mate!

Dr. Monroe is not my Pastor. I am not a member of any church. I attended BFM a few times this year to hear a teaching that was specific to my purpose. That teaching is over.

Thank you.

Sorry Delroy. While we were standing infront of the number house by village road round about you told me that you "does go to BFM". When most Bahamians make a statement like that it normally means that that is their church and the pastor is their pastor. Sorry bout the mistake.
But I am glad you found the one thing in my statement that was inaccurate. Good looking out!

Sorry Delroy. While we were standing infront of the number house by village road round about you told me that you "does go to BFM". When most Bahamians make a statement like that it normally means that that is their church and the pastor is their pastor. Sorry bout the mistake.
But I am glad you found the one thing in my statement that was inaccurate. Good looking out!


No problem. It was the first thing I saw.
I will answer the rest of what you said in this way.

No matter what we call ourselves it changes nothing because men will always come to their own conclusion. If I call myself a Kingdom Believer instead of a Christian then who is to say that a group of people belonging to this new name will not commit the same acts as those who call themselves Christians? Then what should I do? Change my name again? This doesn't make sense.

Only God knows who you really are and only His Judgement is final. I am who Christ says I am. To the world I am a Christian and that is fine by me.