I am sure you understand my position on this matter, and I have posted several recent comments on this.

Yeah, I'm aware of your stance on this matter.

That comment was based directly at the statement of "just let it go". For far too long Bahamians have let things slide due to our passive way of life. We get all up in arms about a particular topic and six months later you hardly hear anything else about the situation. Meanwhile, nothing gets done to resolve the incident or to prevent future occurences.

It's the Bahamian way...just frustrating at times. :sparky:

Yeah, I'm aware of your stance on this matter.

That comment was based directly at the statement of "just let it go". For far too long Bahamians have let things slide due to our passive way of life. We get all up in arms about a particular topic and six months later you hardly hear anything else about the situation. Meanwhile, nothing gets done to resolve the incident or to prevent future occurences.

It's the Bahamian way...just frustrating at times. :sparky:

I am sorry it seem this way but that was not at all what I intended to imply, I do not at all flatter the lax attitude of doing nothing. But instead this issue at the time seemed to be pushing its way in the direction to have the authorities take a bully approach towards the people rather than dealing with it in a more prudent, settle and effective matter so rather than fueling an explosion it was my intention to quell or soften the tone a bit.

I am sorry it seem this way but that was not at all what I intended to imply, I do not at all flatter the lax attitude of doing nothing. But instead this issue at the time seemed to be pushing its way in the direction to have the authorities take a bully approach towards the people rather than dealing with it in a more prudent, settle and effective matter so rather than fueling an explosion it was my intention to quell or soften the tone a bit.


Point understood. Many persons are now voicing the benefits of the kinder, softer approach to this issue. Even in a recent speech by Patricia Glinton-Meicholas (one of our most noted Bahamian “culturalists”) a mild accusation of xenophobia was made regarding the attitudes of some Bahamians towards Haitians. However, with this trend of leniency gaining such momentum, I must reiterate that laws are being broken by immigrants who continue to arrive to this nation without permission of the Bahamian government. There is a procedure in place where Bahamian work permits/political asylum can be applied for (in advance) in many international countries, including Haiti. The avoidance of this legal way to enter this nation shows clear criminal intent when applied to basic reasoning. If finding a better life is of such importance, would it not be in the best interests of any person to apply in a correct and legal manner? What degree of respect is given to a country when one attempts to go through the “back door”, instead of openly applying for political asylum or legal permission to work? A country is defined by its borders. If these borders are so easily crossed by foreign entities who do not have legal permission, this is a blatant breach in national security. If a Haitian sloop can do it, imagine how easily it would be for a terrorist group (Al Qaeda for example). Note: we are only a hop, skip and a jump away from Florida.

Bearing in mind that the laws of the Bahamas are not subject to negotiation, is this entire immigration situation a clear matter of criminality, especially with such numbers coming to our shores? Are Bahamians allowing their consciences and/or greed to get in the way of allowing law enforcement officers to do their job in a swift and concise manner? Are we becoming a nation that is taking such a politically correct stance on this issue that we can’t see the forest for the trees, much to our own detriment? And finally, in reference to the statement of “fuelling an explosion”, is this softer approach being taken to “avoid” a potential threat of civil war? Just the idea of that statement shows that The Bahamas does not have this situation under control and a strong example must be set before “ideas” become reality in the upcoming years.

Bahamians need to look at this situation from a Bahamian standpoint. Why are the legal means to come to the Bahamas being ignored and disregarded? While calm heads must prevail, a clear and firm message needs to be sent regardless of nationality, race or economic background: Foreign entities wishing to enter this nation must meet or exceed all legal requirements BEFORE entering this nation, or simply face the harsh consequence of breaking our immigration policies (which is pretty much along the lines of "send 'em back").

Point understood. Many persons are now voicing the benefits of the kinder, softer approach to this issue. Even in a recent speech by Patricia Glinton-Meicholas (one of our most noted Bahamian “culturalists”) a mild accusation of xenophobia was made regarding the attitudes of some Bahamians towards Haitians. However, with this trend of leniency gaining such momentum, I must reiterate that laws are being broken by immigrants who continue to arrive to this nation without permission of the Bahamian government. There is a procedure in place where Bahamian work permits/political asylum can be applied for (in advance) in many international countries, including Haiti. The avoidance of this legal way to enter this nation shows clear criminal intent when applied to basic reasoning. If finding a better life is of such importance, would it not be in the best interests of any person to apply in a correct and legal manner? What degree of respect is given to a country when one attempts to go through the “back door”, instead of openly applying for political asylum or legal permission to work? A country is defined by its borders. If these borders are so easily crossed by foreign entities who do not have legal permission, this is a blatant breach in national security. If a Haitian sloop can do it, imagine how easily it would be for a terrorist group (Al Qaeda for example). Note: we are only a hop, skip and a jump away from Florida.

Bearing in mind that the laws of the Bahamas are not subject to negotiation, is this entire immigration situation a clear matter of criminality, especially with such numbers coming to our shores? Are Bahamians allowing their consciences and/or greed to get in the way of allowing law enforcement officers to do their job in a swift and concise manner? Are we becoming a nation that is taking such a politically correct stance on this issue that we can’t see the forest for the trees, much to our own detriment? And finally, in reference to the statement of “fuelling an explosion”, is this softer approach being taken to “avoid” a potential threat of civil war? Just the idea of that statement shows that The Bahamas does not have this situation under control and a strong example must be set before “ideas” become reality in the upcoming years.

Bahamians need to look at this situation from a Bahamian standpoint. Why are the legal means to come to the Bahamas being ignored and disregarded? While calm heads must prevail, a clear and firm message needs to be sent regardless of nationality, race or economic background: Foreign entities wishing to enter this nation must meet or exceed all legal requirements BEFORE entering this nation, or simply face the harsh consequence of breaking our immigration policies (which is pretty much along the lines of "send 'em back").


Isnt this restating the obvious. Talking falls on deaf ears. People listen to action. Well the ones were dealing with- that's all they know!

Thes is restating the obvious action. Talking falls on deaf ears. People listen to action. Well the ones were dealing with!

Dont worry, things are being done. It just takes time.

In a matter like this, caution must be taken, as at first you don't know whose pockets you may be taking money out of...Some big names are up in this mess. :cop:

Dont worry, things are being done. It just takes time.

In a matter like this, caution must be taken, as at first you don't know whose pockets you may be taking money out of...Some big names are up in this mess. :cop:

Time are you serious? Ya need 20 years, because if you do, then im sorry to tell you but it will be too late then!I could give a shyt about whose pockets are being laced, how could this be where are the "big people" pro nationalist stance. I know I would never make it in politics, im not a yes person, or person that goes along with nonsense. If our government was really into killing of its advesaries I would have been dead a long time ago!

Time are you serious? Ya need 20 years, because if you do, then im sorry to tell you but it will be too late then!I could give a shyt about whose pockets are being laced, how could this be where are the "big people" pro nationalist stance. I know I would never make it in politics, im not a yes person, or person that goes along with nonsense. If our government was really into killing of its advesaries I would have been dead a long time ago!

No, it definitely won't take that long.

The shakedown will be in effect in due time, exposing the hypocrites, shaming the incompetent, and tying the hands of those with "vested interests". This isn't news to them either, they know its coming.

I must say that you do sound like the type of person we need though...

No, it definitely won't take that long.

The shakedown will be in effect in due time, exposing the hypocrites, shaming the incompetent, and tying the hands of those with "vested interests". This isn't news to them either, they know its coming.

I must say that you do sound like the type of person we need though...



I hope so,

Thanks for the flattering remark
im blushing :cutie:

in the real world, so sad but they call women like me bytches.

I could give a shyt let the biggest bytch get the job done.

Keep the Bahamas Bahamian

Can you let me know what is a Haitian uprising.

Can you let me know what is a Haitian uprising.


To answer your question, it is something that if your people are wise, will never happen.

A Haitian uprising in this little Bahamaland would have devastating implications for Haiti. The destabilization of The Bahamas, one of the most peaceful and economically stable countries in the region, would not go unnoticed by the global community. It is certain that the citizens of Haiti would find themselves being blocked on every shore, sent immediately back home and never allowed status in any Western nation from that moment on. Leaders of other territories would not dare to risk such an abomination taking place in their own country.

Bahamians may be a laid-back people in our relative time of plenty, but jeopardize our way of life with an uprising and the proverbial “faeces” will hit the fan. Many Bahamians who do respect and care for their Haitian brothers and sisters would instantly feel taken advantage of. The scenario would be parallel to letting someone into your home and then watching that person trash the place. I would dare say that the same intensity of love would fester into a comparative level of hate. The violence that probably would be pit against Haitian communities in this country would gain worldwide notoriety. Could anyone imagine the wrath of hundreds of thousands of persons whose lives have been undermined by persons from a foreign nation?

The protection of one’s territory is paramount to the survival of any country. The Bahamas is not dealing with persons who are upfront about coming here to live. Honour cannot be afforded to persons who attempt to undermine the governmental laws of another country. Let me repeat that again: Honour cannot be afforded to persons who attempt to undermine the governmental laws of another country. An honourable person will stand up and openly face the government of the nation they wish to enter and say, “Do I have permission to enter your domain? I respect the flag, laws and the constitution of your country and will not tread on your shores until I have your permission! If you refuse, I respect your decision, as I do not have any right to break the governmental laws you have set to protect your nation from foreign invasion.” Even in terms of the situation in Haiti, where is the honour in running from your own country? To risk dying on the high seas trying to find a better life is admirable, but what really would be honourable is to risk dying as you stand up and fight against the instability, hunger, poverty and war in your own country!

A Haitian uprising in The Bahamas would show the world why black nations do not seem capable of running themselves. Look at the history of countries with black leadership - Our ability to govern our territories has been mediocre at best. A vast majority of our black leaders tend to have limited vision for their country’s future and allow themselves and/or their underlings to become corrupt and greedy. The most important part of all this is that we do not respect each other’s territory. In the history books most black against black conflicts have been tribal in nature, where one group somehow attempts to maintain or take control over another group. When will black people ever learn? The Bahamian government has done nothing but set itself up for nationwide conflict with their lackadaisical immigration policies. Yes, we all know that the Caribbean eventually has to stand together and face global society collectively at some point, but we must only do that after each individual country has their act together. CARICOM should have and enforce strict requirements for entering its ranks. Any country that cannot pull its own weight should not be included in their numbers – case in point, Haiti. If a country does not have the intellectual and political power to stabilise itself, why should CARICOM risk pulling the entire region down with that burden? We need to learn from the superpowers. Any alliance that is made should only guarantee more strength. The superpowers do NOT weaken themselves or burden down their nation’s prosperity with liabilities. In a global society where power dominates, Caribbean nations need to show power and not weakness. A people who are not willing to stand up, take responsibility for and help their own country IN their own country cannot help others. They will continue bleeding out pity cases until everyone is in the same boat, literally. Yes, it sounds harsh – Get over it!

And if I hear another person mention that silly statement of “Bahamians don’t like Haitians”... Stop being childish and get over yourself. This isn't kindergarten. Stand up on your own two feet, take responsibility for the actions of your people and pull your own weight!

I applaud your decisive and intended willingness to bring the Haitian situation to some resolve in this our country and I must add that you sure do add challenge to a debate. However, allow me to say, I observe the method of discussion in which you at most time isolate the comments of a posting and based your comments and elaborate on a single word rather than on the synopsis of the posting. This is a good method and most of us do this, but it hardly moves us forward and stimulates thoughts and ideas to the effect that I suppose or would rather believe we are gearing towards. If we ought to make our efforts effective we ought to cascade our comments as one effort that in the end result to a pragmatic and a precise act, or as close to as precise as we can get to one.


Point understood. Many persons are now voicing the benefits of the kinder, softer approach to this issue. Even in a recent speech by Patricia Glinton-Meicholas (one of our most noted Bahamian “culturalists”) a mild accusation of xenophobia was made regarding the attitudes of some Bahamians towards Haitians.

I am not aware of the good lady remarks, but I do not at all view this as any sign of us weakening our attempt to deal with the situation of Haitians, foreigners or issues in general. There will always be individuals who are willing to stand in the way preventing progress and to prevent efforts from taking effect. As much as they are willing there are individuals who are willing to make efforts stick rather than to allow their efforts to go in vain or to be hammered into the ground by human born-leeches, those whose efforts it is to suck and to gain their profit from sucking this country and its natives for their personal and sole interest and benefit. On this note I reiterate, foreigners in general regardless to their numbers and most of your posting fail to include this fact, or is it perhaps I missed such postings?

We are dealing with a tuff and draining issue, and issue that is mostly protected or guarded by prominent individuals, individuals who sit on the “seat of the most high” power holding individuals who hampers such efforts and choose to play a game with the public squandering public funds away little by little rather than to approach the issue as a matter of national concern or rather furthermore as a matter of national emergency.


And finally, in reference to the statement of “fuelling an explosion”, is this softer approach being taken to “avoid” a potential threat of civil war?

I am not saying this at all, far from my answer, in fact what good will this do? Look at the middle east and Haiti itself, it shows that these people are willing to fight even if it bears no fruit. Why should we provoke such a thing and curse ourselves with this?


And finally, in reference to the statement of “fuelling an explosion”, is this softer approach...

Yes I stated that I had chosen to soften the tone rather than to take a bully approach and in this case and at this time I would had preferred to approach the matter softer rather than a harsher approach rather than further inflaming anger, sorrow and future riots and rebellions in this and other areas, I view this as the best approach until more details and facts were more known.

Up to the time I made the comment the matter was still in its infant stages and acting in such manner could not help this country one bit.

If the people were at fault, then, yes, get hard where necessary.
If the police were at fault, then what good would a hard approach do other than to inflame and worsen the matter to result in many lives lost, time, resources, and an already crowded prison and millions of dollars of wasted public funds, etc, etc.


There are three ways of dealing with matters, any matter:

1) Do nothing.
2) Hotheaded, misinformed or the lack of intelligence
3) A careful study and approach.

The first two is the same, but the second is more like a ‘catalysis” hasting it to the point of devastation or drenching fire with highly flammable fuel. This answers well enough I think the words you isolated to comment on “fueling an explosion.” Since you separated this apart from the entire comment then allow me to take this a “tiny bit” further.
Referring to the war in Iraq or the Russian Afghanistan or Chechen war as an example just to name a few, when we look at this most of us can see or perhaps agree that it is a lack of proper study (or study in general) and preparation that results to drag.
We agree that most of us exercise a lax attitude of doing noting, perhaps if not all of us most of us are guilty of this especially when it comes to the matter of dealing with the Haitians, we didn’t act or complain enough, soon enough (and again we will be guilty for not including all foreigners in general).

We didn’t do what we needed to do soon enough and the situation is what it is. Attempting to blame this on doing nothing is just as bad rushing to do something and doing a stupid thing. It is just like jumping into a pool of water not realizing that the water is only inches high and head on we go “only” break the neck, what a price to pay for not knowing. Or, we can come to know, by observe the pool of water. We can study it by examining it and testing it as accurately as possible then entering by knowing, knowing how. Walking in and sitting down in a more careful manner (or standing up) rather than jumping in in a rush may result in absorbing the shock or a broken neck, especially if the level is only inches high (and this has happen many times literally, literally).

I know what I mean when I said “…it was my intention to quell or soften the tone a bit” Obvious we are plagued by doing nothing, but even more so we are even more plagued by jumping in without first testing the water, carefully studying and examining the situation before we act. I am not at all saying that we do not have situation where forces or bully attitude and a hardliner approach is not necessary, I am no tat all saying that, but we ought to apply the correct method and tool of measure to what we are measuring.

In fact it is my view that the entire Nassau Village scenario could have been avoided or prevented had the matter been approached more thoughtfully. Whether we are Haitians, Americans, Indians, Jamaicans, Cubans, Chinese, military, police, politicians or civilians, adults or children, etc, etc. The fact is, we are all here and it is undeniable, we are all ‘stuck” here together in one place for the moment, so for the time being we must all do so in the most possible and effective way, striving as one and a single community working together for the one cause of our nation and its laws.

In fact it is my view that the entire Nassau Village scenario could have been avoided or prevented had the matter been approached more thoughtfully. Whether we are Haitians, Americans, Indians, Jamaicans, Cubans, Chinese, military, police, politicians or civilians, adults or children, etc, etc, the fact is that we are all here undeniably all together ‘stuck” in one place for the moment and we must do all we can in the most possible and effective way to striving as one and a single community working together for the one coast of our nation and its laws.

I can agree with that, but the situation would not have existed if "laws" had not initially been broken in the first place, namely immigration ones.

When laws are broken, the consequences should be immediate and concise. Otherwise, the very foundation of society develops a fault and puts the entire structure in jeopardy.

I can agree with that, but the situation would not have existed if "laws" had not initially been broken in the first place, namely immigration ones.

When laws are broken, the consequences should be immediate and concise. Otherwise, the very foundation of society develops a fault and puts the entire structure in jeopardy.

Yes, I do agree, I see that we are all on one side trying to rail a derailed train and our efforts must be steadfast and unbending.

A Haitian uprising in The Bahamas would show the world why black nations do not seem capable of running themselves. Look at the history of countries with black leadership - Our ability to govern our territories has been mediocre at best.
Good Point, and we shall not at all bring this upon us, and I am sure there are many regimes (countries) that have us in their sight for their own interest. Most certainly we prefer not to ever revert to being a colony of some empire again (how did we get so in the first place?). We are an independent and sovereign nation and we ought to keep it that way (even though at the moment less industrial and more dependent), as well as to prove that we are quite capable of solving our internal and international issues in rational, intelligent and of cost in violently ways.

To answer your question, it is something that if your people are wise, will never happen.

A Haitian uprising in this little Bahamaland would have devastating implications for Haiti. The destabilization of The Bahamas, one of the most peaceful and economically stable countries in the region, would not go unnoticed by the global community. It is certain that the citizens of Haiti would find themselves being blocked on every shore, sent immediately back home and never allowed status in any Western nation from that moment on. Leaders of other territories would not dare to risk such an abomination taking place in their own country.

Bahamians may be a laid-back people in our relative time of plenty, but jeopardize our way of life with an uprising and the proverbial “faeces” will hit the fan. Many Bahamians who do respect and care for their Haitian brothers and sisters would instantly feel taken advantage of. The scenario would be parallel to letting someone into your home and then watching that person trash the place. I would dare say that the same intensity of love would fester into a comparative level of hate. The violence that probably would be pit against Haitian communities in this country would gain worldwide notoriety. Could anyone imagine the wrath of hundreds of thousands of persons whose lives have been undermined by persons from a foreign nation?

The protection of one’s territory is paramount to the survival of any country. The Bahamas is not dealing with persons who are upfront about coming here to live. Honour cannot be afforded to persons who attempt to undermine the governmental laws of another country. Let me repeat that again: Honour cannot be afforded to persons who attempt to undermine the governmental laws of another country. An honourable person will stand up and openly face the government of the nation they wish to enter and say, “Do I have permission to enter your domain? I respect the flag, laws and the constitution of your country and will not tread on your shores until I have your permission! If you refuse, I respect your decision, as I do not have any right to break the governmental laws you have set to protect your nation from foreign invasion.” Even in terms of the situation in Haiti, where is the honour in running from your own country? To risk dying on the high seas trying to find a better life is admirable, but what really would be honourable is to risk dying as you stand up and fight against the instability, hunger, poverty and war in your own country!

A Haitian uprising in The Bahamas would show the world why black nations do not seem capable of running themselves. Look at the history of countries with black leadership - Our ability to govern our territories has been mediocre at best. A vast majority of our black leaders tend to have limited vision for their country’s future and allow themselves and/or their underlings to become corrupt and greedy. The most important part of all this is that we do not respect each other’s territory. In the history books most black against black conflicts have been tribal in nature, where one group somehow attempts to maintain or take control over another group. When will black people ever learn? The Bahamian government has done nothing but set itself up for nationwide conflict with their lackadaisical immigration policies. Yes, we all know that the Caribbean eventually has to stand together and face global society collectively at some point, but we must only do that after each individual country has their act together. CARICOM should have and enforce strict requirements for entering its ranks. Any country that cannot pull its own weight should not be included in their numbers – case in point, Haiti. If a country does not have the intellectual and political power to stabilise itself, why should CARICOM risk pulling the entire region down with that burden? We need to learn from the superpowers. Any alliance that is made should only guarantee more strength. The superpowers do NOT weaken themselves or burden down their nation’s prosperity with liabilities. In a global society where power dominates, Caribbean nations need to show power and not weakness. A people who are not willing to stand up, take responsibility for and help their own country IN their own country cannot help others. They will continue bleeding out pity cases until everyone is in the same boat, literally. Yes, it sounds harsh – Get over it!

And if I hear another person mention that silly statement of “Bahamians don’t like Haitians”... Stop being childish and get over yourself. This isn't kindergarten. Stand up on your own two feet, take responsibility for the actions of your people and pull your own weight!



I concur 100% You said it best!