But this is the catch 20-20 scenario many find themselves in, including myself.

Presently, I only have a Bachelor Degree with summa C.um Laude credential. I had the opportunity to spend several years in America and in Europe gaining coveted international experience before returning to the Bahamas just a few months ago.

I managed to secure a senior position, that syncs well with future career goals.
Eventually, I will be attending an Ivy League MBA program ( Harvard, Wharton, Yale, Dartmouth...etc)...

However, spending north of $150K for two years leads an individual with no other choice but to set his or her sights and future plans far away from the Bahamas... continuing the cycle of brain drain...

in my humble opine.

if you found a job in the bahamas (your homeland) that syncs well with your future goals and its a senoir position why leave again?

i think some people need to stop being so obsessed with climbing the ladder.

Paradise Found:
A catch 20/20?? Do you mean catch 22??
BAHMIA:
Have you taken the GMAT?? Depending on your score - the price tag will not be an issue. Well, I think your undergrad GPA and interview might have something to do with it. Or, just go straight into a PhD program then after two years opt out for the master degree. Also, some universities offer a one year program - an Ivy league university isn't necessarily the way to go. For example Austin and Indiana University have top 20 programs and their graduates earn in the 110 to 140 range, right out of the program.

I didn't realize that one could apply for a PhD and opt-out of the program for a masters degree. That's definitely an option. I'm going to check out that MBA ranking list as well. Thanks man! (By the way, you have a PM soon.)

European and Asian MBA's are worth your nickel and dime as well. Particularly in India, China, France, Spain and Oxbridge....central London as well; Cranfield, LBS and Imperial.
Thunderbird and Darden have good program's as well as Carnegie Mellon.

That's pretty cool too, as I wasn't thinking of going international initially, but that's definitely a thought I could entertain.

Un-employment will most likely go up. But, that's not the crux of this today....there are no solid jobs in the papers in addition with that.
I mean, no middle entry, no senior management for the most part...the same positions, have been in the news papers, for the last three weeks. No good entry level ones, either in the private sector or public...
On top of that, there has been no hiring from anywhere- trust me, I know. Not only have there not been ample jobs, but the job vacancies are held up because people need the work, but, the most likely can't raise the capital or the where with all to put the money on the table to get the kind of help they need....on top of that, we have over qualified people, doing menial work and tasks. Folks working with experience and degree's as tellers and CSR Rep's.
Maybe its me....but, certainly, there has been a slowdown in jobs. Maybe we never reall had any real job movement to begin with...
Even working for yourself must be a drag- trust me, I know.
There are always lean times and times of fat. But, I gatta say, this is the time of lean and there is hardly no room....ANYWHERE!
How's everyone else faring or getting on with it?

i have a problem with you sugessting any job where you dont sit in a big chair and command and demand for a university graduate is demeaning.

in the long run any job that earns you a honest living is comendable. we all need each other in this world. if they were no garbage men imagine how this world would be.

also in nassau becuase its a fairly new society where those top jobs are basicaly new. there are many house keepers, tellers, csr's, and people with just a high school diploma earning just as much and in rare cases even more than those who say they is big chief in a big chair with a degree on the wall.

to me stealing and robbing for a living is menial work.

also at the end of the day i have learned that in this life its not what you? its not what you earn either. its what you do with the money.

for exampe: a person making 100k annualy with 90k of bills and debts annully is poorer than a person making 36k anually who is able to save 20k per year becuase they live at home.

finally i would suggest that in the main time while your looking for the "perfect" job, you apply to all the hotels to get a position in the front office or bellman or something.

its ironic isnt it but its a start

however bahamians would be surprise to know how many people in nassau in those hotels only working 2 and 3 days per week. so yeas there are some periods where they are making money but when you average it out over they year. these people aint making no money. over all you are dead on the money, there are no jobs in the bahamas

I co-sign everything you say, but especially this part. People all happy right up to now because tourism numbers increased by 3.8% and summer's coming soon, however, the average Bahamian is really seeing no relief from high prices, as fixed-salaries are not increasing. But everybody's thrilled for some reason.

if you found a job in the bahamas (your homeland) that syncs well with your future goals and its a senoir position why leave again?

I wondered the same thing actually. Paradise found, after you just reach back, a few months ago, and get a senior position to boot, you're already planning to leave?

Alien- where u been? there has been an unemployment problem in the bahamas i would say since the late 90's.
why? becuase nassau is the bahamas and the bahamas is nassau.
nassau is only so big with so many jobs, it pains me that the leaders of the bahamas are doing NOTHING to address the fact that nassau, bahamas is TAPPED OUT. IT IS MATURED. and sticking bahamar, tiger woods crap, and atlantis phase 100 is only going to agrivate the problem.
every year the bahamian work force grows by literally 3-6 thousand. thats thousand.
i still contend that both governments are either lying about the unemployment rate or they are not measuring properly. an outside firm needs to come in and measure the unemployemnt.
why? becuase yet again these jobs are filled with people who dont know nothing, they only their based on favours
as said in a previous thread what ever little trickle of oppurtunity is left is snapped up based on who you know not what you know. hence the reason your friend got a job.
i would say 1 out of 10 university students that rreturn to the bahamas gets a fair shake. hence the reason most does roll out after a while.
presently the majaority of bahamians going to further their education is wasting their time unless they are nurses, teachers, doctors, or lawyers. anything else you wasting your time.
its so sad that most bahamians are so blissful unaware of the state of unemployment that they gleeful rejoyce plenty jobs roun here.
on the non higher education level. there are plenty hotel jobs however bahamians would be surprise to know how many people in nassau in those hotels only working 2 and 3 days per week. so yeas there are some periods where they are making money but when you average it out over they year. these people aint making no money.
over all you are dead on the money, there are no jobs in the bahamas

I hear ya bro. What further pisses me off too, is that allot of positions, are not even advertised. I mean, people need work but don't put it to the market. I know of companies who have and are probably right now, holding on to an opportunity, and waiting for a friend or a friend to fill it or simply doing without. Regardless if the friend of a friend, is qualified or not. As said, I know folks making 50k with barely a HS diploma...this is what prompted me to take entrepenuership seriously. But, you need to get started somewhere....with no collateral and no leverage, a guy like me HAS to work.

That's sad though. We can't get our market working right. That's what has us bro. That's due to a bit of social stupidity on our part as well. But, such is what we have and I can't explain why. Its just one of those things!!!

i have a problem with you sugessting any job where you dont sit in a big chair and command and demand for a university graduate is demeaning.
in the long run any job that earns you a honest living is comendable. we all need each other in this world. if they were no garbage men imagine how this world would be.
also in nassau becuase its a fairly new society where those top jobs are basicaly new. there are many house keepers, tellers, csr's, and people with just a high school diploma earning just as much and in rare cases even more than those who say they is big chief in a big chair with a degree on the wall.
to me stealing and robbing for a living is menial work.
also at the end of the day i have learned that in this life its not what you? its not what you earn either. its what you do with the money.
for exampe: a person making 100k annualy with 90k of bills and debts annully is poorer than a person making 36k anually who is able to save 20k per year becuase they live at home.
finally i would suggest that in the main time while your looking for the "perfect" job, you apply to all the hotels to get a position in the front office or bellman or something.
its ironic isnt it but its a start

I did not demean it. Just that its out of whack for someone who is forced to work there.

A person with tertiary education, should not be flipping pizza's bro- at least not with experience that is.

Furthermore, getting in the place to get solid experience, takes a bit of luck and right social space and time......no one, should be forced to die in a way, they don't want to or not lived by!!

Maybe its just me....

I did not demean it. Just that its out of whack for someone who is forced to work there.
A person with tertiary education, should not be flipping pizza's bro- at least not with experience that is.
Furthermore, getting in the place to get solid experience, takes a bit of luck and right social space and time......no one, should be forced to die in a way, they don't want to or not lived by!!
Maybe its just me....

i do get where your coming from. in developed countries they have entry level positions for person just coming out of univerisity hence is the reason why they offer those degree's in their univiersities.

in the bahamas those entry level positions are simply not there hence the reason why cob is still a college and the degree's they offer is very slim.

think about it if other countries did not allow foriegn people to school in their universities. most of the bahamians wouldnt have half of the degree's they have to start with.

in a sense by bahamians going off and educating themselves and returning to the bahamas they put themselves way ahead of where the bahamas jopb market is at the moment.

no real corporations and serious business existed in the bahamas until the 90's era. before then there was only bahamair, bec, water and sewage, btc and those cant be considered real businesses.

places like cable bahamas, atlantis, indigo etc are farely new maybe soon another 5-10 yrs u will start seeing reall entry level oppurtunity after the bahamas gets a hold of the work permit problem.

BAHMIA:

PhD programs have qualifying exams usually in the second year, most schools give you a first and second chance to pass those qualifying exams. If you don't - they give you the option of leaving and accepting a master degree instead.

I got your email - by the way, think about what you would like to specialize in - finance, accounting, and so on. The University of Illinois has a lot of professors that are associated with PWC or EY (I forget which one) - so graduates get offers as audit or tax seniors rather than entry level positions. Goldman Sachs has recruiters at University of Chicago - which I forgot to mention is probably one of the best business schools you can get into.

I have worked in Exuma before. The issue is with the islands, is that there is no support from the services. That takes a government action. You can't just up and move like that- been telling you this. Government, needs to make the place, attractive....or assist with making it attractive. I would move back today if I can find these things...
1. Accomodations need to be affordable
2. Jobs need to pay to meet the cost
3. Ammenities like internet and telephones, need to be easily accessible as well as banks and payment of your nessecities.
4. You need access to things like a) good produce and b) information tech and regular tech- a decent library, for a fellah who like to read like me.
5. Incentives for people who want to create that type of support, needs to be encouraged and drilled. For example, people used to wait on the plane, to get Kentucky in Exuma...HAHAHAHAHHAHA....Jokes! I like Kentucky chicken too....
So, while I would move to an outisland today...these things need to be in place! The outisland, is no place for anyone to be, if they are trying to make a comfortable living, without it being tied to tourism- your own bed and bed, or, working for one. That and working for the government- even that can kill you, because, the opportunities and the option to change directions, are in the city. This is why people move from the rural areas, to the city....
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alien u must really not be from this planet. you must have worked in exuma in the BC (before christ) era. you speak of government services on the island when from my experience phones is always on, electricity is only off when some knocks a pole down, the water lines was repaired islandwide during the first fnm administrations term before they paved the roads islandwide so the water is fresh. cable was also introduced. and as for being attractive you really have to be out of this world. exuma is one of the most clean and pristine islands in the bahamas with the most beautiful blue waters. as for accomodations i would agree with you there. because of the demand for apartments, rent is slightly higher than that of nassau. but everything tends to be considering the cost of shipping and transporting materials to the islands which add to the cost. as for payment.....many construction workers making hundreds a week, those in the hotels making hundreds as well ( knowing a cousin who made almost $500 a week including overtime just washin pots and pans at the hotel), and cashiers at my families grocery store being paid $300 per week. and yet you talk about payment? exuma may not be as advanced as new providence but it is surviving far better despite the price of gas being almost $6 and the high cost of food items. but they dont complain and ask the government why? they go out there and work hard. and i guess the good side of not bein advanced is that you have less unnecessary and useless things to purchase therefore more money in your pocket for hard times. the kentucky joke might be good for laughs but the reality is atleast island people know how to operate a stove and cook for themselves. most islanders move from their rural islands to nassau simply to get a different scenery. having to see the same people everyday and knowing everybody becomes boring unlike nassau where you can always come across interesting/weird people. so keep on laughing and making your kentucky jokes but i assure island folks have a far better standard of living than the average city folk of nassau.

Un-employment will most likely go up. But, that's not the crux of this today....there are no solid jobs in the papers in addition with that.
I mean, no middle entry, no senior management for the most part...the same positions, have been in the news papers, for the last three weeks. No good entry level ones, either in the private sector or public...
On top of that, there has been no hiring from anywhere- trust me, I know. Not only have there not been ample jobs, but the job vacancies are held up because people need the work, but, the most likely can't raise the capital or the where with all to put the money on the table to get the kind of help they need....on top of that, we have over qualified people, doing menial work and tasks. Folks working with experience and degree's as tellers and CSR Rep's.
Maybe its me....but, certainly, there has been a slowdown in jobs. Maybe we never reall had any real job movement to begin with...
Even working for yourself must be a drag- trust me, I know.
There are always lean times and times of fat. But, I gatta say, this is the time of lean and there is hardly no room....ANYWHERE!
How's everyone else faring or getting on with it?


is unemployment high? or fresh graduates just wanna obtain top positions as soon as they enter the work force. a graduate of a university studying finance would return to new providence and go to a bank asking for a top level job because they believe with their certificate they are too qualified for and entry level job. instead of starting off as a teller and working him/herself up the ladder to manager they wanna jump straight to the top. and that arrogance will never get them the job they deserve. if their are no jobs then why are the classified ads always fresh with new openings, and why a friend of mines could be fired one day and working the next. maybe the problem is too many people are waiting for a miracle or for government to knock on their door and offer them a job rather than be persistent and humble and work your way up the corporate ladder. stop being so dependant on God and the government and go find work. the old people always say you only help those that help themselves. enough with the hand outs and political jobs and the know whose who in society

Un-employment will most likely go up. But, that's not the crux of this today....there are no solid jobs in the papers in addition with that.
I mean, no middle entry, no senior management for the most part...the same positions, have been in the news papers, for the last three weeks. No good entry level ones, either in the private sector or public...
On top of that, there has been no hiring from anywhere- trust me, I know. Not only have there not been ample jobs, but the job vacancies are held up because people need the work, but, the most likely can't raise the capital or the where with all to put the money on the table to get the kind of help they need....on top of that, we have over qualified people, doing menial work and tasks. Folks working with experience and degree's as tellers and CSR Rep's.
Maybe its me....but, certainly, there has been a slowdown in jobs. Maybe we never reall had any real job movement to begin with...
Even working for yourself must be a drag- trust me, I know.
There are always lean times and times of fat. But, I gatta say, this is the time of lean and there is hardly no room....ANYWHERE!
How's everyone else faring or getting on with it?

Alien, sign up on bahamasexecutive search.com - I landed a great position thru them - they are efficient! There may be a hyphen in there. Once you sign up/send your cv they wil email you when position in your field are posted.

If I still have your email from earlier this year I will forward the link!

is unemployment high? or fresh graduates just wanna obtain top positions as soon as they enter the work force. a graduate of a university studying finance would return to new providence and go to a bank asking for a top level job because they believe with their certificate they are too qualified for and entry level job. instead of starting off as a teller and working him/herself up the ladder to manager they wanna jump straight to the top. and that arrogance will never get them the job they deserve. if their are no jobs then why are the classified ads always fresh with new openings, and why a friend of mines could be fired one day and working the next. maybe the problem is too many people are waiting for a miracle or for government to knock on their door and offer them a job rather than be persistent and humble and work your way up the corporate ladder. stop being so dependant on God and the government and go find work. the old people always say you only help those that help themselves. enough with the hand outs and political jobs and the know whose who in society

So you're saying spending 4 years in university is a waste of time??

If I graduated from highschool and went to work in a bank, after 4 years I would probably be in a better position than someone who is actually more qualified than I am.

I wouldn't call it arrogance if I expect a position that I'm qualified for or that I could get in another country. I call it the lack of opportunity in my own country.

So you're saying spending 4 years in university is a waste of time??
If I graduated from highschool and went to work in a bank, after 4 years I would probably be in a better position than someone who is actually more qualified than I am.
I wouldn't call it arrogance if I expect a position that I'm qualified for or that I could get in another country. I call it the lack of opportunity in my own country.

Perhaps your success will lie in taking command of your own destiny.Maybe starting your own accounting firm or some other business that lends itself to your field of expertise.

Speaking from my own experience,my company is a fair-size small business "I employ less than 100 people" and I hire young accountants right from school.They work closely with our CPA and most work here a year to three and go on to their own practice or join a partnership. Perhaps a similar situation could be found in Nassau?:)

If everyone ran their own business - there would be no business at all. I've already had my own business. Not interested in doing it again.

..but did you say that you hired students right from high school who worked with your firm after 1 to 3 years and then started their own accounting practice or joined a partnership?? That is frightening.

is unemployment high? or fresh graduates just wanna obtain top positions as soon as they enter the work force. a graduate of a university studying finance would return to new providence and go to a bank asking for a top level job because they believe with their certificate they are too qualified for and entry level job. instead of starting off as a teller and working him/herself up the ladder to manager they wanna jump straight to the top. and that arrogance will never get them the job they deserve. if their are no jobs then why are the classified ads always fresh with new openings, and why a friend of mines could be fired one day and working the next. maybe the problem is too many people are waiting for a miracle or for government to knock on their door and offer them a job rather than be persistent and humble and work your way up the corporate ladder. stop being so dependant on God and the government and go find work. the old people always say you only help those that help themselves. enough with the hand outs and political jobs and the know whose who in society

THIS, is stupid. You know why? Because, 1. I never had a political hand out in my life. 2. I have worked in public and private sector before- private internationally. 3. I am not working in a crap job, security or cashier jobs,that are dangerous now, becuase people like you have no clue on asking for change in this system and quit acting the fool screaming stupidness like "work harder"...that's dumbness!
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So, your statement is ignorant to many things. Ignorant to the person to whom you speak....