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songbird
05-14-08, - 04:48 PM
The choice to hide the matter from the public only should have been a fore warning that because of the relation of this young man and Mr. Bethel, when certain members of the opposition caught wind of this, they were going to drag this issues in to the political for front. (especially seeing that Carl is the Minister of Education) Mr. Roberts should be the last one to talk, but this is the nature of politics! He got slammed in public and now he is using this incident as a vice to get back at the government!!!! We know this already people!!!!!!! It's political nature!

Sorry for being so behind, but were the police called in on this matter?

nationbuilder
05-14-08, - 04:53 PM
Sorry for being so behind, but were the police called in on this matter?
The parents of the female did not file charges. In law, no alleged victim, no crime. Police dont just show up on your doorstep and say, "you havent been accused of anything and no one has filed a complaint against you, but anyhow, you unda arrest."

nationbuilder
05-14-08, - 04:55 PM
Further, that was a gray arse woman who he had an ongoing affair with, she was trying to shake him down. She should have been charged with extortion.
Why am I not surprised that you are saying this? BOL!

songbird
05-14-08, - 04:59 PM
The parents of the female did not file charges. In law, no alleged victim, no crime. Police dont just show up on your doorstep and say, "you havent been accused of anything and no one has filed a complaint against you, but anyhow, you unda arrest."

Thanks for the answer dear.

but other than the parents NO ONE called the police? after all, TECHNICALLY there was no crime, i mean it wasnt sex........per se.

anyway back to my original point, if the police weren't called in, then it's not a public matter. plain and simple. I'm not shielding the FNM, because i find it disgusting that if this occured under the PLP's governance, and happened in the morning, the Tribune would become an evening newspaper again, just for that one day.

However, Bradley Roberts' matter was public, because the lady brought charges.

Shane Gibson's matter was public, because Anna Nicole Smith was a permanent residence applicant and he was a government minister. conflict of interest. had that had happened in the UK, he would have been gone before you could say "scandal."

that was just obiter, but you get my point.

songbird
05-14-08, - 05:00 PM
I agree with seducer.

Same with the young lady who was involved with Randy Fraser, and that woman in the Kobe Bryant issue.

what geno d say "somethin jus een rite"

androsann
05-14-08, - 05:14 PM
Thanks for the answer dear.
but other than the parents NO ONE called the police? after all, TECHNICALLY there was no crime, i mean it wasnt sex........per se.

However, according to the law, if it happened it was a crime and was sex and those involved in not reporting it are also guilty of a crime.

See part 1 section 4b of the Sexual Offenses & Domestic Violence Act, Section 1 part 10 (1) and Section 1 part 28 http://laws.bahamas.gov.bs/statutes/statute_CHAPTER_99.html

songbird
05-14-08, - 05:21 PM
However, according to the law, if it happened it was a crime and was sex and those involved in not reporting it are also guilty of a crime.

See part 1 section 4b of the Sexual Offenses & Domestic Violence Act, Section 1 part 10 (1) and Section 1 part 28 http://laws.bahamas.gov.bs/statutes/statute_CHAPTER_99.html

you could belive AndrosAnn i've JUST come from the Guardian's article about that and read the same thing? they said that the parents or the school could face up to $5000 in fines or prison time.

but its a dead link :(

In the statute, do they define the meaning of "sex?"

Lemme go see if i could find it someplace else.

nationbuilder
05-14-08, - 05:22 PM
However, according to the law, if it happened it was a crime and was sex and those involved in not reporting it are also guilty of a crime.

See part 1 section 4b of the Sexual Offenses & Domestic Violence Act, Section 1 part 10 (1) and Section 1 part 28 http://laws.bahamas.gov.bs/statutes/statute_CHAPTER_99.html
Fact is, and police will tell you this, they are iffy about prosecuting a minor for having sex with another minor..I suppose there are a number of reasons why this is so..but they say the law needs to be amended in this regard, I guess to make prosecuting such matters easier.

songbird
05-14-08, - 05:25 PM
the laws aren't online anymore......

WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNSHINE IS THIS???????????? :tdown::sparky::realmad:

songbird
05-14-08, - 05:27 PM
Fact is, and police will tell you this, they are iffy about prosecuting a minor for having sex with another minor..I suppose there are a number of reasons why this is so..but they say the law needs to be amended in this regard, I guess to make prosecuting such matters easier.

The laws should change when societal values and circumstances change. but i dont only blame the government of the bahamas for this (plp fnm bdm, abc 123) i blame all of us. we're supposed to be the watchdogs of these kinds of things you know, not only the press, but the Bahamian people as well. I swear our duties and jobs as citizens dont end on election day! it starts then! we have to work together with the government in order to find solutions, instead of always being the ones to point out the problem!

whew. sorry, just had to get that out there.

chancellor
05-14-08, - 05:28 PM
the laws aren't online anymore......
WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNSHINE IS THIS???????????? :tdown::sparky::realmad:

Where are you looking?

songbird
05-14-08, - 05:42 PM
Where are you looking?

on the government's website. the same link that AA gave me. when i couldnt get it, i just went through the site, thinking that she may have typed it wrong. and when that didnt work, i went on google to see if i could get it from another source. nothing doing.

Clancy Wiggum
05-14-08, - 05:42 PM
The laws should change when societal values and circumstances change. but i dont only blame the government of the bahamas for this (plp fnm bdm, abc 123) i blame all of us. we're supposed to be the watchdogs of these kinds of things you know, not only the press, but the Bahamian people as well. I swear our duties and jobs as citizens dont end on election day! it starts then! we have to work together with the government in order to find solutions, instead of always being the ones to point out the problem! whew. sorry, just had to get that out there.

Excellent point Song Bird! Perhaps you have identified the basis of the problem, we are all gossiping about what happened (IMO because the boy's father is a govt official) and not one peep about solutions. That Bradley Roberts, a seasoned politician, would use this incident as a press opportunity says a lot to me about his lack of character. On the other hand, Bethel should issue a statement given his position.

B21
05-14-08, - 05:49 PM
:jawdroop:Now if the source that just told me this new tid bit of info is correct, then this is a covert op! I need someone to second this. I just found out who the young ladies parents are!!!!! It was put to me that this girl was removed from another private school for being what we call "HOT"!!!! Please tell me this ain't no true.

androsann
05-14-08, - 05:50 PM
you could belive AndrosAnn i've JUST come from the Guardian's article about that and read the same thing? they said that the parents or the school could face up to $5000 in fines or prison time.
but its a dead link :(
In the statute, do they define the meaning of "sex?"
Lemme go see if i could find it someplace else.
I can get the link to work, so I don't know what the problem is.

Section 1 Part 4 Definition of Sexual Intercourse

4. For the purposes of this Act, "sexual intercourse" includes-


Definition of sexual intercourse.
(a)
sexual connection occasioned by any degree of penetration of the vagina of any person or anus of any person, or by the stimulation of the vulva of any person or anus of any person, by or with-
(i)
any part of the body of another person; or
(ii)
any object used by another person,

except where the penetration or stimulation is carried out for proper medical purposes; and
(b)
sexual connection occasioned by the introduction of any part of the penis of any person into the mouth of another person,

and any reference in this Act to the act of having sexual intercourse includes a reference to any stage or continuation of that act.