Morning everyone,
I dont need a mouthpiece and i dont have Vicky as a mouthpiece for me, I can speak for myself and like how you all are always online writing in this forum means that you have alot of free time to do this.
I dont have as much free time that you have so to say that i have a full time JOB. No i am not asking for any help of anyone here in this forum and if it goes public and i do have persons who are against or with what me and my girlfriend of 3 1/2 years are doing so be it.
Obvisouly i wont be calling any medias or anything to be there but you know how our people are very nosey and someone will find out and talk.
Also i dont want anyone to think that i am trying to push what i am doing on The Bahamas because its not like that I just want my partner and I to have a legal marriage ya see.
Anyway I am out.

I know the calvary's comin for me if i ask this question.

Hello Cassy, glad to find a new member on BI.

so if you want a legal union, what's the difference between what Anna Nicole and um (what was his name again?) did, ya know when they had that commitment ceremony, and a union sanctioned by the State?
What effects would take place in these different scenarios?

Cassy, humour me with this question ma dear. I'm just trying to grasp all of this. I would appreciate your response.

And Bahamas Issues, can cassy be the only one to answer this question? i'd like to hear from her.

Can you clearify yourself please?

I know the calvary's comin for me if i ask this question.
Hello Cassy, glad to find a new member on BI.
so if you want a legal union, what's the difference between what Anna Nicole and um (what was his name again?) did, ya know when they had that commitment ceremony, and a union sanctioned by the State?
What effects would take place in these different scenarios?
Cassy, humour me with this question ma dear. I'm just trying to grasp all of this. I would appreciate your response.
And Bahamas Issues, can cassy be the only one to answer this question? i'd like to hear from her.

Can you clearify yourself please?

Ok I will try. What's the difference between a commitment ceremony and the legal sanction that you are seeking? besides the fact that it is legal in the eyes of the law.

Ok I will try. What's the difference between a commitment ceremony and the legal sanction that you are seeking? besides the fact that it is legal in the eyes of the law.

I may be mistaken but my understanding is this: Married couples have inherant rights that common law couples do have. Such as right to inherit, right to make medical decisions should the other be incapacitated. If you have a boyfriend of 10 years and he is in a serious accident his family can bar you from seeing him in hospital where they wouldn't be allowed to do that if you were his wife.

Hell, in the Bahamas, if you are not married to a man he cannot give his citizenship to the children you have together.

Simple things like this make a difference. I don't want to re-marry because I'm not religious, but the law makes it so I will have to to protect my rights.

I may be mistaken but my understanding is this: Married couples have inherant rights that common law couples do have. Such as right to inherit, right to make medical decisions should the other be incapacitated. If you have a boyfriend of 10 years and he is in a serious accident his family can bar you from seeing him in hospital where they wouldn't be allowed to do that if you were his wife.
Hell, in the Bahamas, if you are not married to a man he cannot give his citizenship to the children you have together.
Simple things like this make a difference. I don't want to re-marry because I'm not religious, but the law makes it so I will have to to protect my rights.

Ah. I understand now. thanks for your answer, but i really wanted to hear from cassy. you cleared up a lot for me though. :)

Im not getting all caught up in the mudslinging here on this thread.


But i never understood why people dont realize there is a difference between a "legal marriage" and a "Christian marriage"

No gay is saying that they want your pastor in your church to marry them.

People who are Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Muslim, Atheist and other get married all the time.

What do their marriages have to do with your religion. Marriage is a legal concept MORE SO than a religious concept. Christians get Christian marriages. People of other religions get marriages based on those religions.

Shouldnt religious restrictions only be imposed on those who voluntarily accept those beliefs as their own?

The law should treat all otherwise law abiding adults) equally.

Isnt that the proper way to do things?

Im not getting all caught up in the mudslinging here on this thread.
But i never understood why people dont realize there is a difference between a "legal marriage" and a "Christian marriage"
No gay is saying that they want your pastor in your church to marry them.
People who are Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Muslim, Atheist and other get married all the time.
What do their marriages have to do with your religion. Marriage is a legal concept MORE SO than a religious concept. Christians get Christian marriages. People of other religions get marriages based on those religions.
Shouldnt religious restrictions only be imposed on those who voluntarily accept those beliefs as their own?
The law should treat all otherwise law abiding adults) equally.
Isnt that the proper way to do things?

I didnt think that there was an argument against that. the question is, does the law of The Bahamas want to legalise unions between same-sex couples? no one's questioning the fact that it may be a christian concept to sanction only heterosexual couples. in fact, they seem to be the only ones willing to accept it (e.g. in the US and in Canada). You dont see Jewish or Muslim homosexual couples rushing off to get married.

What's wrong with the fact that the majority may just not be ready for this type of thing?

I didnt think that there was an argument against that. the question is, does the law of The Bahamas want to legalise unions between same-sex couples? no one's questioning the fact that it may be a christian concept to sanction only heterosexual couples. in fact, they seem to be the only ones willing to accept it (e.g. in the US and in Canada). You dont see Jewish or Muslim homosexual couples rushing off to get married.
What's wrong with the fact that the majority may just not be ready for this type of thing?
Songbird...I hope u have your amour and dillies!!!:taped2:

Songbird...I hope u have your amour and dillies!!!:taped2:

Thanks Suga, I think i'll need them. I'm just curious about this, that's all.

I didnt think that there was an argument against that. the question is, does the law of The Bahamas want to legalise unions between same-sex couples? no one's questioning the fact that it may be a christian concept to sanction only heterosexual couples. in fact, they seem to be the only ones willing to accept it (e.g. in the US and in Canada). You dont see Jewish or Muslim homosexual couples rushing off to get married.
What's wrong with the fact that the majority may just not be ready for this type of thing?

because being in the majority does not mean being in the right. (Hasnt history shown that?)

We have laws, constitutions and judges to at times protect us from our own ignorance.

Our laws should be interpreted without bias and prejudice. When we start accepting one religions bias....where exactly do we draw the line?

Thats exactly why in the bahamas films and television shows can be banned without nary a drop of input from the public.

(and im holding my dillies for now....they say we in a depression and i might need these dillies for food).

Thanks Suga, I think i'll need them. I'm just curious about this, that's all.

understood!

Boy I wish I had knew this before I went to London .... We really need to consider following CA

because being in the majority does not mean being in the right. (Hasnt history shown that?)
We have laws, constitutions and judges to at times protect us from our own ignorance.
Our laws should be interpreted without bias and prejudice. When we start accepting one religions bias....where exactly do we draw the line?
Thats exactly why in the bahamas films and television shows can be banned without nary a drop of input from the public.
(and im holding my dillies for now....they say we in a depression and i might need these dillies for food).

Agreed. but there goes that word again: ignorance.
Bahamas, you keep on saying religious bias, religion, pointing back to that strata of persons. Why can't someone just not agree with homosexual marriages without being religious? Why can't it just not sit right with them?

Please, dont come back with the whole, "well we sit back and let fornication and sweethearting happen." Because I dont. Like you said, the majority isnt always right. Has anyone ever spoken to a homosexual that didnt agree with the gay marriages thing?I wonder what their views would be.

Democracy isn't always the "right" concept in government, the majority always wins.

Personally, back to the case at hand, i've already given my legal argument. someone also cited from section three of the Constitution, which outlines the various rights of inidividuals.

CHAPTER III
PROTECTION OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
AND FREEDOMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL
15. Whereas every person in The Bahamas is entitled to the
fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual, that is to say,
has the right, whatever his race, place of origin, political opinions,
colour, creed or sex, but subject to respect for the rights and
freedoms of others and for the public interest, to each and all of
the following, namely-
(b) freedom of conscience.

I fail to see anything pertaining to sexual orientation. and for that matter, marriage.

I cant get the Marriage Act open right now. Sorry. Dont forget, the ruling in California is persuasive, not binding.

But, let me just say this. Although I'm not in agreement with homosexual marriages, if the arguments against it fall through, and this landmark legislation should pass, then I will just have to live with it, and attempt to explain it to my children.

and I'll give you my dillies. they too sweet fa me chall :)

Agreed. but there goes that word again: ignorance.
Bahamas, you keep on saying religious bias, religion, pointing back to that strata of persons. Why can't someone just not agree with homosexual marriages without being religious? Why can't it just not sit right with them?



Thats cause ive found that in the Bahamas people who argue for hate and intolerance usually also claim that religion made them do it.....etc..etc..etc. (not that i believe it to be true...or that they are particularly religious people themselves.... but its a convenient argument for them to make).

But your absolutely right ....you dont have to claim your pastor made you hate gays. You can just to hate gays all on your own.

"It doesnt sit right with them".....and they are??? Many people dont think blacks in higher education and professional jobs sits right with them. Many people dont like the idea of a woman president, prime minister, or judge because it "doesnt sit right with them"........ lots and lots of people are uncomfortable with interacial mariages....as you know......like you said:

"it just doesnt sit right with "them"

what doesnt sit right with me is peoples personal biases being allowed to have any impact on the lives of others. I dont care what sits right with "them" (suk teet)

"they" should live their lives and let others live their own.

Thats why we have laws that we hope judge people equally.



and i'll take them dillies thank you ;) i trying to save for a deposit on a house.

(its for me and my boyfriend tho.....we been living together for three years.....just an FYI in case you need to explain things to the chirrens...although im not sure what you would have to say?

Agreed. but there goes that word again: ignorance.
Bahamas, you keep on saying religious bias, religion, pointing back to that strata of persons. Why can't someone just not agree with homosexual marriages without being religious? Why can't it just not sit right with them?
Please, dont come back with the whole, "well we sit back and let fornication and sweethearting happen." Because I dont. Like you said, the majority isnt always right. Has anyone ever spoken to a homosexual that didnt agree with the gay marriages thing?I wonder what their views would be.
Democracy isn't always the "right" concept in government, the majority always wins.
Personally, back to the case at hand, i've already given my legal argument. someone also cited from section three of the Constitution, which outlines the various rights of inidividuals.
CHAPTER III
PROTECTION OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
AND FREEDOMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL
15. Whereas every person in The Bahamas is entitled to the
fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual, that is to say,
has the right, whatever his race, place of origin, political opinions,
colour, creed or sex, but subject to respect for the rights and
freedoms of others and for the public interest, to each and all of
the following, namely-
(b) freedom of conscience.
I fail to see anything pertaining to sexual orientation. and for that matter, marriage.
I cant get the Marriage Act open right now. Sorry. Dont forget, the ruling in California is persuasive, not binding.
But, let me just say this. Although I'm not in agreement with homosexual marriages, if the arguments against it fall through, and this landmark legislation should pass, then I will just have to live with it, and attempt to explain it to my children.
and I'll give you my dillies. they too sweet fa me chall :)


I suspect there are always religious undertones/reasons from persons when opposing causes such as gay marriages even when it is not quite obvious.

I say let the gays marry..no skin of my back. Let them have the same benefits and sufferings as heteros have in marriage.:taped2: Equality for all or equality for none.