I do not worry about America, however, they should know 'blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. America will fall! And these are some of the things that will lead to it's downfall!
If I was really prejudice against you guys, believe you me, my name would have a red line through it. I am just tired of these threads where anytime certain things are said, people are stocking up dillies, armour and they go into hiding. For so few people of your persuasion, you guys are really good at holding this forum hostage.
Everytime a thread like this shows up, people always say "here we go again". These topic's have dominated this forum for too long with disastrous results. They have led to people being banned, friendships being dissolved and all manner of ill names being bestowed upon each other. I want to talk about the show in Freeport last week without being called prejudice or insensitive. That is my rights.
BI have endured you guys and have tried to be cordial by participating in your discussions, but I know even the pastor does get tired of going to church sometimes!!! We are tired of the long drawn arguments about something THE MAJORITY OF US DO NOT SUPPORT! The only thread longer than these are who kill Hal? and Word Association. These threads are hostile grounds and are very irritating!
I respect you as individuals but will not support you cause. It is like politics, this is a topic we will never all agree on, the only difference is election is once every five years, but this topic comes up every day!
I just wish you guys would take this fight from BI to courtroom where the true answer really lies. We could have 100 pages on this discussion and this will not solve the problem!
I wish you guys a speedy trial so this matter can be laid to rest once and for all.
Do not take my silence or none participation in these types of threads as support. I have no problem with RAB members, you are people just like me. I simply do not support what you do or your cause!
Demand your rights but not from me, I already said no!

:hammer: :hammer:

I do not worry about America, however, they should know 'blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. America will fall! And these are some of the things that will lead to it's downfall!

If America was to Fall, so would the Bahamas, so never wish for that. As to the god thing, our Religion mimics Religion in America, so if they are godless, then so are we.

BTW for the other posters, straight, bi, bent, whatever, gays already do have the same rights as we do, we also cant marry the same sex :D

You now back when schools were segregated the black schools offered a lower quality of education right? Hence the reasoning behind the fight for integration, so that all could have equal quality education.
But anyway, OK. Now, are you are you going to answer the question of by the schools being seperate, are they unequal?
Your argument is flawed, the problem of segregated schools was that there were two separate institutions, by law, one for blacks and another for whites. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that these separate institutions were inherently unequal... :hammer:

On the other hand, alternative high schools designed to meet the needs of GLBT students, which by the way, were first brought up by you, were developed within the same education system, not one that was exclusively heterosexual and the excusively GLBT, by law. BTW, these alternative schools are attended by GLBT students by choice, opened to straight students, and are not mandatory. Therein lies the difference. :footmouth

The ideal would be to live in a Humanistic Society, which stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realisation, and where all human beings were respected, regardless of sex, race, colour, creed, or sexual orientation. :angel:

The necessity of it was not the question, but even if it was, I could use your post above to solidify my point of a seperate registry for homosexual unions. That because of some animosity against homosexuals wanting what is regarded as a christian marriage, they may have their own ceremony and be recognized, just as other heterosexual spouses. Still they would be getting equal rights as the heterosexual spouses, so no seperate = unequal.
Your arguments for a separate registry for homosexuals are not only preposterous, but contravenes certain individual rights guaranteed in the Bahamian Constitution. Firstly, the state sanctioned marriage is NOT a Christian marriage. How anyone can arrived at this deduction is beyond me... Secondly, homosexuals cannot be denied a state sanctioned marriage based on prejudice and/or animosity. This violates not only their human rights, but the laws of natural justice as well. :hammer:

Moreover, once a GAY COUPLE HAVE obtained a marriage licence from the state, and wishes to have a CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE CEREMONY, as their heterosexual counterparts, and a Christian Minister is willing to perform that ceremony, then this is their ABSOLUTE RIGHT in a FREE and DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY...

But just in case you want to leave the seperate = unequal idea alone, let's look at the Marriage Act fiasco. You and so many others are correct in that the Marriage Act does not state that homosexuals cannot marry. But this is only because it hasn't been amended in recent years. I don't know why it hasn't, but I guess there isn't a real need to do so as yet. (I suspect that if this fuss escalates, it will be amended sooner than planned, to state marriage is only possible between a man and woman.)
WISHFUL THINKING!!!... as the nations of the world, especially those of the European Union, Canada and parts of the United States, are moving ahead progressively with human rights laws, under your premise, the Bahamas would be stepping back into the colonial era... :taped2:

This is why in the Marriage Clause Act, or whatever the correct name is, it plainly states it there.
Case in point: if a homosexual couple were to apply for a marriage license, and they get it, and get married, based on the Marriage Act, do you know what would happen after they get married? The marriage would be annulled, because of the Marriage Clause Act.
WRONG AGAIN, I challenge you to re-read this act... :footmouth

This is why the marriage license wouldn't be issued anyway, because Common Sense would step in and say "this marriage will be annulled anyway, so there is no point in issuing a license." Very good point Common Sense.
Common sense is not that common... Firstly, this archaic Act, dating as far back as the late eighteen hundreds, obviously requires updating to meet today's social realities. Secondly, yes, it does states that one of the married parties MAY present a petition to the court praying that his or her marriage MAY BE null and void on specific grounds, one being, "that the parties are not respectively male and female". HOWEVER, THIS DOES NOT NAGATE THE FACT THAT MARRIAGE IS NEVER DEFINED ANYWHERE IN THE MARRIAGE ACT AS EXCLUSIVELY BETWEEN "A MAN AND A WOMAN". :taped2:

So, by all means, apply for a marriage license, but realize that if you get one and get as far as marriage, it will be annulled.
Really though, to avoid all this, they should simply amend the Marriage Act. But, as I pointed out, this fuss will probably lead them to do just that, once it gets to an unbearable point.
We shall see... stand by, as the Bahamian GLBT Community is prepared to go all the way... :hammer:

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I do not worry about America, however, they should know 'blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. America will fall! And these are some of the things that will lead to it's downfall!
If I was really prejudice against you guys, believe you me, my name would have a red line through it. I am just tired of these threads where anytime certain things are said, people are stocking up dillies, armour and they go into hiding. For so few people of your persuasion, you guys are really good at holding this forum hostage.
Everytime a thread like this shows up, people always say "here we go again". These topic's have dominated this forum for too long with disastrous results. They have led to people being banned, friendships being dissolved and all manner of ill names being bestowed upon each other. I want to talk about the show in Freeport last week without being called prejudice or insensitive. That is my rights.
BI have endured you guys and have tried to be cordial by participating in your discussions, but I know even the pastor does get tired of going to church sometimes!!! We are tired of the long drawn arguments about something THE MAJORITY OF US DO NOT SUPPORT! The only thread longer than these are who kill Hal? and Word Association. These threads are hostile grounds and are very irritating!
I respect you as individuals but will not support you cause. It is like politics, this is a topic we will never all agree on, the only difference is election is once every five years, but this topic comes up every day!
I just wish you guys would take this fight from BI to courtroom where the true answer really lies. We could have 100 pages on this discussion and this will not solve the problem!
I wish you guys a speedy trial so this matter can be laid to rest once and for all.
Do not take my silence or none participation in these types of threads as support. I have no problem with RAB members, you are people just like me. I simply do not support what you do or your cause!
Demand your rights but not from me, I already said no!


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I do not worry about America, however, they should know 'blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. America will fall! And these are some of the things that will lead to it's downfall!
Actually, it is the nations of the EU who leads the world in human rights advances for their GLBT citizens... :angel:

If I was really prejudice against you guys, believe you me, my name would have a red line through it. I am just tired of these threads where anytime certain things are said, people are stocking up dillies, armour and they go into hiding. For so few people of your persuasion, you guys are really good at holding this forum hostage..
There are forum rules and you have the same rights as any member to protest to Delroy and/or any moderator on-line. I do... :cop:

Everytime a thread like this shows up, people always say "here we go again". These topic's have dominated this forum for too long with disastrous results. They have led to people being banned, friendships being dissolved and all manner of ill names being bestowed upon each other. I want to talk about the show in Freeport last week without being called prejudice or insensitive. That is my rights
I beg to differ, perhaps this proves the relevance of these controversial topics in today's Bahamian Society. Naturally, we will never agree on all issues, and may even find some objectionable. Yes, sometimes the discussions get hot and heated, but hopefully, through "open dialogue", and some degree of decorum, we can still express our views while fostering respect for each other's human dignity... :angel:

For example, you have stated that you find the actions of effeminate man "hilarious", and see them personally "objectionable", as they were not born a "woman". But some members may want to have a better understanding of an effeminate son, brother, or husband, and may find information on this subject enlightening... :hammer:

You have an absolute right to express your views on the Freeport Show last week, within the forum guidelines... But when if you do, be prepared for a response to your comments... that is the nature of a ''forum". :sarcastic

BI have endured you guys and have tried to be cordial by participating in your discussions, but I know even the pastor does get tired of going to church sometimes!!! We are tired of the long drawn arguments about something THE MAJORITY OF US DO NOT SUPPORT! The only thread longer than these are who kill Hal? and Word Association. These threads are hostile grounds and are very irritating!
YOUR TONE APPEARS TO BE VERY CONDESENDING... HOWEVER, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, ONLY A SMALL MINORITY SHARE YOUR VIEWS, AS THE FEW THREADS ON BI FEATURING GAY ISSUES ARE AMONG THE MOST POPULAR AND WIDELY READ... SIMPLY PUT, ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW...:footmouth

I respect you as individuals but will not support you cause. It is like politics, this is a topic we will never all agree on, the only difference is election is once every five years, but this topic comes up every day!
And as long as there are human rights violations in this country against members of the GLBT Community, you can rest assure there will be threads like this... Unlike general elections, where one may be inundated with media the coverage, on BI with a click of the mouse, one can simply switch to another thread, or "log off" altogether...:dgi:

I just wish you guys would take this fight from BI to courtroom where the true answer really lies. We could have 100 pages on this discussion and this will not solve the problem!
I wish you guys a speedy trial so this matter can be laid to rest once and for all.
Sometimes it is in the court of "public opinion" where these issues are won or lost... Our daily newspapers, religious, political, civic and business leaders along with the average citizen all read Bahamas Issues... I liken BI to the nation's pulse, it is checked daily by a cross-section of our society for signs of health or illness.

IMO, this matter will eventually reach the nation's highest courts, but not before its time...

I Do not take my silence or none participation in these types of threads as support. I have no problem with RAB members, you are people just like me. I simply do not support what you do or your cause!
Demand your rights but not from me, I already said no!
Thank God, same-sex marriages in the Bahamas are not left up to "closed-minded" individuals such as you, aye?... :taped2:

My PM was NOT due to your "silence", but your seemingly pro-gay stance on earlier threads with GLBT ISSUES, a few of which were even STARTED by you... I will PM you once again, as BI’s electronic records do not lie... :)

My question to you is, although rhetorical, “HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN LOVE"? Have you ever loved someone so much that you wanted to spend the rest of your life with that person...? :lafs:

THE ISSUE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGES IS NOT ABOUT "GLBT RIGHTS", ITS ABOUT "HUMAN RIGHTS"...:hammer:

I confess that I haven't read all of the postings in this thread, however I have a consideration.

In my talkshow host voice: Thanks for weighing in...

Historically marriage laws were enacted to formalise and protect the union of a man and a woman because when people procreate, the woman is at a physical and economical disadvantage while having children.
Hence the marriage laws define both a male and a female. The basis of rights and protections of the union is to address and codify the protection of the woman.

Historically that may be correct but laws should reflect the times we live in... The days of old which you may be referring to certainly found women as the submissive beings who needed "protection". But the reality of today's society is that women are equal partners to their male counterparts...

Today's reality is that same-sex couples are equally as committed and devoted to their partners and deserve the same rights and protection offered to heterosexual couples...

I do not agree that gay couples should share government social programs such as pension survivorship, and the rights and privileges according a woman in a marriage because of her service to the family in procreation.

Yes that I've heard that tired argument that those rights extend to women who choose not to procreate, but that is only because until recently it was a man's world.

And to those that medically cannot bear children...should they be denied rights as well?....The crux of it is that people will use any form of twisted logic to deny basic human rights... They denied black men and women their rights because they were "darker" which to them translated into "inferior"...and even that "made sense" to the racist of the past...

Your post is loaded with a biased sexism that I can't seem to overlook....The idea here is to be progressive not mold ourselves to the sexist patriarchal laws that previously bound our freedom...The reality is that many modern-day married couples either chose not to have children or medically cannot...The reality is the lawful union is to ensure equal rights for them under law....Another reality is that GLBT may not ever chose to have children but MANY of them do....whether before or after the start of their relationship...If we are to be democratic in our thinking and claim to preserve the rights of all Bahamians consideration MUST be given to ensuring some form of protection for these couples...The premise or lack thereof of the possibility of children being born in a relationship should not preclude a couple's ability to get married or be afforded the state-given rights given to married couples...

In a gay marriage, it is a marriage of financial peers, and those rights that gays speak of wanting do not apply because of the basic premise of marriage -- the union of a man and a woman for the procreation and continuance of an orderly society. And no amount of argument or dialectics can mitigate that fact.
You speak of procreation as if gay man or woman cannot...Nevertheless... An orderly society with an escalating divorce rate, domestic abuse and neglected and oftentimes abandoned children?... "Marriage" on its own does not create an orderly society... Responsible adults do... whether in gay or hetereosexual relationships...

I do not worry about America, however, they should know 'blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. America will fall! And these are some of the things that will lead to it's downfall!

If I was really prejudice against you guys, believe you me, my name would have a red line through it. I am just tired of these threads where anytime certain things are said, people are stocking up dillies, armour and they go into hiding. For so few people of your persuasion, you guys are really good at holding this forum hostage.
Everytime a thread like this shows up, people always say "here we go again". These topic's have dominated this forum for too long with disastrous results. They have led to people being banned, friendships being dissolved and all manner of ill names being bestowed upon each other. I want to talk about the show in Freeport last week without being called prejudice or insensitive. That is my rights.
BI have endured you guys and have tried to be cordial by participating in your discussions, but I know even the pastor does get tired of going to church sometimes!!! We are tired of the long drawn arguments about something THE MAJORITY OF US DO NOT SUPPORT! The only thread longer than these are who kill Hal? and Word Association. These threads are hostile grounds and are very irritating!
I respect you as individuals but will not support you cause. It is like politics, this is a topic we will never all agree on, the only difference is election is once every five years, but this topic comes up every day!
I just wish you guys would take this fight from BI to courtroom where the true answer really lies. We could have 100 pages on this discussion and this will not solve the problem!
I wish you guys a speedy trial so this matter can be laid to rest once and for all. [/SIZE][/FONT]
Do not take my silence or none participation in these types of threads as support. I have no problem with RAB members, you are people just like me. I simply do not support what you do or your cause!
Demand your rights but not from me, I already said no!

WOW...

Such passion in your post...

The easy solution to BI's problem is for certain posters to stop commenting...and disregard what is said...I find for the most part certain member of this forum will argue the case that the GLBT discussion is overdone...but for the most part I find that these threads are few and far inbetween as it relates to the topics on this forum as a whole....for every one GLBT thread you would find 10 Political threads...5 Gossip threads of who in the hospital or who bleaching...Threads on all manner of foolishness that we can possibly think of...But the MOMENT a thread on GLBT is posted the SAME posters post (after lenghty contribution to the very thread they DESPISE) in the thread they "claim" that they wish the threads would stop...


You say that the idea that because people disagree and will always disagree with what we post is grounds for us to cease?...But isn't a forum by design supposed to solicit open and honest dialogue from both sides?...Your reasoning to silence one side is unfair and wrong.... Mind you we all in debate should be more civil perhaps... But we dont want to find ourselves throwing out the baby with the bath water just to make a FEW members (watsayu, wintergrace et. al) happy...


Your not agreeing with me doesn't negate the points that we raise and nor does our disagreeing negate yours...the idea here is to find a middle ground...that middle ground being RESPECT not ACCEPTANCE or APPROVAL...

The startling reality for you and those who agree with you SHOULD be that GLBT issues encompass BAHAMAS ISSUES... and in as far as WE should find another site perhaps you all should too...We as members post what is relevant to us and what we find important...

Perhaps these threads pertaining to YOUR personal issues (started by you) should be deleted and redirected to your own personal blog...

http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=14798
http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=11717
http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=15369
http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=15078

Don't get me twisted though....I read through your post and the issues raised in them had extreme merit and sparked conversation that some people would deem highly important...

Now...

What I found most surprising about YOUR post in particular was the fact that if we follow your logic then perhaps you are apart of the problem...i.e the Infamous Drag Thread was started by you....and others with a "gay theme"...

http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=14719
http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=4474
http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=3671

But we dont want to find ourselves throwing out the baby with the bath water just to make a FEW members (watsayu, wintergrace et. al) happy...


me? how I get inside of dis??? I came on dis earth happy and een nothing that happen on BI or in the real world could control my contentment.
btw, there een just a "few" members who complaining...you have no idea what is be flying in pm....not everyone that is be silent means they is be consenting....

me? how I get inside of dis??? I came on dis earth happy and een nothing that happen on BI or in the real world could control my contentment.
btw, there een just a "few" members who complaining...you have no idea what is be flying in pm....not everyone that is be silent means they is be consenting....

Yall need to disable PMs and let it all out on the public forum, no holding back :D
SpamStopper is tell yah like it is see .. he aint gats no shame .. :hammer:

Yall need to disable PMs and let it all out on the public forum, no holding back :D
SpamStopper is tell yah like it is see .. he aint gats no shame .. :hammer:

you know I is tell it like it is, ppl know exactly where I stand but you have some members that prefers pms, don't ask me why but if it seems there are only a "few" members disagreeing that's farrrrr from the truth...on BI and plus in the real world.

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DESPISE) in the thread they "claim" that they wish the threads would stop...
You say that the idea that because people disagree and will always disagree with what we post is grounds for us to cease?...But isn't a forum by design supposed to solicit open and honest dialogue from both sides?...Your reasoning to silence one side is unfair and wrong.... Mind you we all in debate should be more civil perhaps... But we dont want to find ourselves throwing out the baby with the bath water just to make a FEW members (watsayu, wintergrace et. al) happy...[QUOTE]

now how i get in this one... say what you want.. you know I have no beef with no gay person.. all i say is BANNNED VICTOR... he is out of control.. but you all need ya own wabsite though...

JUST BECAUSE there is no section for gay threads... and you all does fo one and one.. but I blan Victor for that.. never you.. never.. so why you picking on me..

In my talkshow host voice: Thanks for weighing in...
Historically that may be correct but laws should reflect the times we live in... The days of old which you may be referring to certainly found women as the submissive beings who needed "protection". But the reality of today's society is that women are equal partners to their male counterparts...
Today's reality is that same-sex couples are equally as committed and devoted to their partners and deserve the same rights and protection offered to heterosexual couples...
And to those that medically cannot bear children...should they be denied rights as well?....The crux of it is that people will use any form of twisted logic to deny basic human rights... They denied black men and women their rights because they were "darker" which to them translated into "inferior"...and even that "made sense" to the racist of the past...
Your post is loaded with a biased sexism that I can't seem to overlook....The idea here is to be progressive not mold ourselves to the sexist patriarchal laws that previously bound our freedom...The reality is that many modern-day married couples either chose not to have children or medically cannot...The reality is the lawful union is to ensure equal rights for them under law....Another reality is that GLBT may not ever chose to have children but MANY of them do....whether before or after the start of their relationship...If we are to be democratic in our thinking and claim to preserve the rights of all Bahamians consideration MUST be given to ensuring some form of protection for these couples...The premise or lack thereof of the possibility of children being born in a relationship should not preclude a couple's ability to get married or be afforded the state-given rights given to married couples...
You speak of procreation as if gay man or woman cannot...Nevertheless... An orderly society with an escalating divorce rate, domestic abuse and neglected and oftentimes abandoned children?... "Marriage" on its own does not create an orderly society... Responsible adults do... whether in gay or hetereosexual relationships...

Where did you get the idea that same sex marriage is a human right?

What gays don't seem to realise is that they are not even in the same game when it comes to marriage.

Your point is taken that there is no a priori causal effect of marriage (other than boredom and lack of sex), however that is not the point.

The point is that gays do not have the economic rights enshrined by marriage laws, because they do not pay for it in societal terms. They do not contribute to the procreation and hence the continuance of society -- and that is the specificity of marriage laws. Gays focus on the trivial "two people living together" aspect and disregard the other major fundamental aspects of that aspect such parenting, raising of offspring, education etc, which is the social glue of an orderly society.

To me, gays want to cash in on the social safety net that was designed for something else completely different. And, most countries cannot afford that in economic terms. But more importantly, those economic benefits are not right but a privilege granted by the state. If the state wants to grant the same privilege to gays, then it should, but there is no basis for a legal right.

me? how I get inside of dis??? I came on dis earth happy and een nothing that happen on BI or in the real world could control my contentment.
btw, there een just a "few" members who complaining...you have no idea what is be flying in pm....not everyone that is be silent means they is be consenting....
You failed to grasp my point in the previous thread....we are not dealing with children so the issues of consent, approval or acceptance are irrelevant...to simplify the issue posters with no interest in GLBT threads should ignore and not post in them...Its almost too simple...

A forum is designed to solicit the response of those "for" and "against"...so lets continue the discussion in a respectful manner and there should be no problem...

But you see....respectful dialogue isn't what we (Bahamians in general) want is it now?...We want to magically erase anything that makes us feel "uncomfortable"...the real world doesn't allow magic tricks...

The fact that threads like this one exist suggest that they are worthy of discussing, even if only for those to express their opposition... silencing the voice of the people who find interest in these topics is wrong... and borders on censorship...

The point is that gays do not have the economic rights enshrined by marriage laws, because they do not pay for it in societal terms.

But, shouldn't they be granted those rights to pay for it and receive the benefits

Where did you get the idea that same sex marriage is a human right?.
What gays don't seem to realise is that they are not even in the same game when it comes to marriage.
Your point is taken that there is no a priori causal effect of marriage (other than boredom and lack of sex), however that is not the point.
The point is that gays do not have the economic rights enshrined by marriage laws, because they do not pay for it in societal terms. They do not contribute to the procreation and hence the continuance of society -- and that is the specificity of marriage laws.

You missed my point in my previous post...and I think that comes from the ignorance of most Bahamian people in general when they think of a gay couple in the Bahamas...They (whether by choice or not) don't see the couple as a family, fully capable to contributing to society....creating a family and "contribute to the procreation and hence the continuance of society"...They raise families just like straight couples do...They pay their dues to society just as well as straight couples do...and DESERVE the same rights afforded as such....

Gays focus on the trivial "two people living together" aspect and disregard the other major fundamental aspects of that aspect such parenting, raising of offspring, education etc, which is the social glue of an orderly society..

That is an unfair characterization...The economic security of a marriage is but a mere part of their struggle...Gay couples as I mentioned earlier do just as much (and have the potential to) as ANY straight couple in this regard...

To me, gays want to cash in on the social safety net that was designed for something else completely different. And, most countries cannot afford that in economic terms. But more importantly, those economic benefits are not right but a privilege granted by the state. If the state wants to grant the same privilege to gays, then it should, but there is no basis for a legal right.
You can call it what you wish a right or a privilege...Fact is that one grouping of society (gays) are denied it...Thus making it discriminatory and wrong...The state makes the ''blind" assumption that EVERY straight couple will somehow impact positively society at large...a fact which has been proven wrong numerous times...

You have gay couple who have been commited to each other some 30+ years and have raised children who have contributed greatly to our society...Marriage is (or should be) about that commitment to each other and the validation of such...To deny two people that right based SOLELY on sexual orientation is WRONG...