You failed to grasp my point in the previous thread....we are not dealing with children so the issues of consent, approval or acceptance are irrelevant...to simplify the issue posters with no interest in GLBT threads should ignore and not post in them...Its almost too simple...
A forum is designed to solicit the response of those "for" and "against"...so lets continue the discussion in a respectful manner and there should be no problem...
But you see....respectful dialogue isn't what we (Bahamians in general) want is it now?...We want to magically erase anything that makes us feel "uncomfortable"...the real world doesn't allow magic tricks...
The fact that threads like this one exist suggest that they are worthy of discussing, even if only for those to express their opposition... silencing the voice of the people who find interest in these topics is wrong... and borders on censorship...

I am not arguing censorship with you... I am trying to give you a realistic impression of GBLT support on BI. There is NOT only a "few" members on BI which has a concern about GLBT issues clogging up BI, as you would hope to believe but there are many silent members. I guess they need to speak out so BI would have more of a realistic balance.

truth_hurts12
My PM was NOT due to your "silence", but your seemingly pro-gay stance on earlier threads with GLBT ISSUES, a few of which were even STARTED by you... I will PM you once again, as BI’s electronic records do not lie...
Do not PM me! I am not interested. Check those threads again, they are based on news articles or things mentioned in the press. When since posting things from the press became pro- an issue? Sweetie ya looking for support in the wrong camp! I always post news articles, this is nothing new. BI records don't lie!!


And as long as there are human rights violations in this country against members of the GLBT Community, you can rest assure there will be threads like this...


If you think me not accepting gays is a violation of your human rights and if it was an offense punishable by imprisonment, then ya might as well call me the vilest offender, lock me up and throw away the key!


What I found most surprising about YOUR post in particular was the fact that if we follow your logic then perhaps you are apart of the problem...i.e the Infamous Drag Thread was started by you....and others with a "gay theme"...

They are things that NORMAL people go through every day. They make good discussions and do not go to 20 pages, umpteen rows and name calling. This site has a lounge where anything can be discussed, I utilize it.


What you all are doing is an abomination unto God, God destroyed a whole city and every living thing that remained therein, including plants.

Do not believe that you have the support of a lot of people in this country and on this forum, because you do not! Many of you are tolorated because you are humans just like us however, your ways are not accepted by the majority.


Again I don't do the P.M thing!!! Those bunch of p.m's and running on ain my cup a tea. I see the gay rows on another thread and I ain fa that! I don't want to cook nobody grits on this forum!

Turn from your wicked ways, seek God's face and he will heal the Bahamaland!

I am not arguing censorship with you... I am trying to give you a realistic impression of GBLT support on BI. There is NOT only a "few" members on BI which has a concern about GLBT issues clogging up BI, as you would hope to believe but there are many silent members. I guess they need to speak out so BI would have more of a realistic balance.
Whether a few members or one thousand thinks it is irrelevant....as I mentioned GLBT issues by far are no comparison to the issues/topics on this site perhaps it is the one that makes people most uncomfortable but it is what it is....It is unfair for ANYONE to say that it is clogging up the site...

Do not PM me!I am not interested. Check those threads again, they are based on news articles or things mentioned in the press. When since posting things from the press became pro- an issue? Sweetie ya looking for support in the wrong camp! I always post news articles, this is nothing new. BI records don't lie!!


Support wasn't the issue here nor was it what I was suggesting you have made it unequivocally clear that your religion condemns the homosexual lifestyle...WE GET IT...

But your computer does not automatically post news articles YOU chose which ones you want to post to BI and which of those you don't...so my logical analysis is that perhaps with the thinking as mentioned above...that you are "tired" of the GLBT debate you should chose your articles more carefully is all...


If you think me not accepting gays is a violation of your human rights and if it was an offense punishable by imprisonment, then ya might as well call me the vilest offender, lock me up and throw away the key!
They are things that NORMAL people go through every day. They make good discussions and do not go to 20 pages, umpteen rows and name calling. This site has a lounge where anything can be discussed, I utilize it.


"Normal" aye....And what you did just now wasn't name calling??...WOW...anyway...grammy warned me about the pot and kettle syndrome...

Name calling can be found almost standard in EVERY thread on this site...disrespect and lack of civility isn't mutually exclusive to GLBT threads....as for the lenght of threads...well common sense dictates that threads don't duplicate themselves and go as long as posters would allow them to go...those who find interest (of any sort...whether to agree, disagree, bash or condone) will post and those who don't will not...it's sorta simple if you look at it...

As for YOUR threads on your personal daily interactions....their worth is relative to who is reading them....that wasn't my point though...they pertained to your life experiences hence making them personal...and by your thinking perhaps they should be used for your own personal private website or blog...just as you would suggest that we do...I still maintain that... By the way I don't agree with your logic but sarcasm is a second language to me.... I totally support your right to share your personal experiences and I believe that some good came from their existance on BI...Just as I believe some (if only a little) good is coming from this thread...

What you all are doing is an abomination unto God, God destroyed a whole city and every living thing that remained therein, including plants.

Oh no you don't....Adidasboi will NOT debate religion/Christianity with you...Not on this thread...Not on this forum ....Not anywhere...Lets proceed with you believing (knowing) that you are right...

Do not believe that you have the support of a lot of people in this country and on this forum, because you do not! Many of you are tolorated because you are humans just like us however, your ways are not accepted by the majority.

If you believe support is what I (we) want you are sadly mistaken... Dont be (Bahamians in general) so arrogant to believe I (we) fuss about ways to make you rationalize homosexuality with your religion...thats not the fight here...I welcome your right to believe I am going to hell... Let that consume you for all I care... My battle in this thread...ON this forum and In real life is to demand respect (as a human being) and to demand basic human rights which I believe are wrongfully being taken from GLBT....what you think of me in the process is of VERY little concern to me...

Turn from your wicked ways, seek God's face and he will heal the Bahamaland
Thank you for those words of wisdom...

Where did you get the idea that same sex marriage is a human right?
What gays don't seem to realise is that they are not even in the same game when it comes to marriage.
Your point is taken that there is no a priori causal effect of marriage (other than boredom and lack of sex), however that is not the point.
The point is that gays do not have the economic rights enshrined by marriage laws, because they do not pay for it in societal terms. They do not contribute to the procreation and hence the continuance of society -- and that is the specificity of marriage laws. Gays focus on the trivial "two people living together" aspect and disregard the other major fundamental aspects of that aspect such parenting, raising of offspring, education etc, which is the social glue of an orderly society.
To me, gays want to cash in on the social safety net that was designed for something else completely different. And, most countries cannot afford that in economic terms. But more importantly, those economic benefits are not right but a privilege granted by the state. If the state wants to grant the same privilege to gays, then it should, but there is no basis for a legal right.
somebody put something in your kool-aid ey?
you're usually quite sensible and a pleasure to read but maybe the citronella is getting to your head

Support wasn't the issue here nor was it what I was suggesting you have made it unequivocally clear that your religion condemns the homosexual lifestyle...WE GET IT...

not to get in the middle and dont want any religious fires of flesh burning rain from the "saved" lot to come down on SpamStopper nor any more "he is a closet gay" from the next lot .. but she was responding to th12's post that said he thought she was pro gay from other threads she had posted in/started. ;)

PS. if you find a real Christian on this forum, potcakes AND conchs mussee started flying.

not to get in the middle and dont want any religious fires of flesh burning rain from the "saved" lot to come down on SpamStopper nor any more "he is a closet gay" from the next lot .. but she was responding to th12's post that said he thought she was pro gay from other threads she had posted in/started. ;)

I posted that as well in a post...where I posted the links to the threads she started...and if you look through her last post she quoted some things I said as well...which led me (rightfully so) to think she was talking to me...or both of us which prompted my response..

PS. if you find a real Christian on this forum, potcakes AND conchs mussee started flying.
tru...

not to get in the middle and dont want any religious fires of flesh burning rain from the "saved" lot to come down on SpamStopper nor any more "he is a closet gay" from the next lot .. but she was responding to th12's post that said he thought she was pro gay from other threads she had posted in/started. ;)
PS. if you find a real Christian on this forum, potcakes AND conchs mussee started flying.

what's your definition of a real Christian?

somebody put something in your kool-aid ey?
you're usually quite sensible and a pleasure to read but maybe the citronella is getting to your head


No response yet Postmortem???

Bahamiangoddess you are a wise person and I enjoyed reading you. I will continue to check in from time to time to read your insightful words.

Keep and defend the faith!

You homophobes are some ignant people.....pure stupidity. It's almost satisfying in itself to think what blind simple and ignorant lives you must live.


almost.

somebody put something in your kool-aid ey?
you're usually quite sensible and a pleasure to read but maybe the citronella is getting to your head

Nice touch -- the citronella bit. But it seems to me that gay people are a bit loosey goosey with what constitutes human rights. The phrase Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is universally recognised. Let us go down that road with finer granularity. Human rights also include:


Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Assembly
Freedom of Religion
Right of Political Dissent


Where is there the freedom to suck at the teat of the social safety net? Gays gotta decide whether they want the rights of women or the rights of men. Those are defined in the marriage laws. A man has to pay support to his wife, but rarely does the wife pay support to the husband upon separation. They (gays) seem to want the rights of both depending on what they decide. I was going to be a lot more graphic, but the scent of citronella has intervened. Someday I will be able to even suppress the thoughts.

Any way, let's take it a step further. Let us suppose that you subscribe to the philosopher Hegel's broader definition of human rights. His list includes:


own property
make contracts with other people
make moral promises to people
live with anyone
get protection from laws
have a voice in government


Take a look at particularly the lines "Make Moral Promises To People". That does not preclude gays from having a commitment ceremony. But moi, the kinder gentler Lurker still contends that they do not deserve the same access to social safety net that a spouse enjoys through marriage.

And the same argument applies to "Live with anyone".

As far as I can see, basic human rights are satisfied. And this is based on erudition and sober second thought -- not a gut reaction. I have no problem with making gays feel better about their place in society as long as it doesn't involve the public purse or family law. Get it> There is a reason why marriage court is called "FAMILY" Law. Common Law is now just being developed with gay divorce, and the courts are overloaded as is.

So you have my thoughts -- nothing more. I don't drink Kool Aid -- that is reserved for PLPs and Jonestownies. Chanti chanti chanti

You homophobes are some ignant people.....pure stupidity. It's almost satisfying in itself to think what blind simple and ignorant lives you must live.
almost.

ah. i was wondering when that word was going to come up. it seems that any discussion on this topic is incomplete without someone throwing this word around.

just because one does not agree, does not mean that one is ignorant.

Nice touch -- the citronella bit. But it seems to me that gay people are a bit loosey goosey with what constitutes human rights. The phrase Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is universally recognised. Let us go down that road with finer granularity. Human rights also include:

Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Assembly
Freedom of Religion
Right of Political Dissent

Where is there the freedom to suck at the teat of the social safety net? Gays gotta decide whether they want the rights of women or the rights of men. Those are defined in the marriage laws. A man has to pay support to his wife, but rarely does the wife pay support to the husband upon separation. They (gays) seem to want the rights of both depending on what they decide. I was going to be a lot more graphic, but the scent of citronella has intervened. Someday I will be able to even suppress the thoughts.
Any way, let's take it a step further. Let us suppose that you subscribe to the philosopher Hegel's broader definition of human rights. His list includes:

own property
make contracts with other people
make moral promises to people
live with anyone
get protection from laws
have a voice in government

Take a look at particularly the lines "Make Moral Promises To People". That does not preclude gays from having a commitment ceremony. But moi, the kinder gentler Lurker still contends that they do not deserve the same access to social safety net that a spouse enjoys through marriage.
And the same argument applies to "Live with anyone".
As far as I can see, basic human rights are satisfied. And this is based on erudition and sober second thought -- not a gut reaction. I have no problem with making gays feel better about their place in society as long as it doesn't involve the public purse or family law. Get it> There is a reason why marriage court is called "FAMILY" Law. Common Law is now just being developed with gay divorce, and the courts are overloaded as is.
So you have my thoughts -- nothing more. I don't drink Kool Aid -- that is reserved for PLPs and Jonestownies. Chanti chanti chanti

Excuse me for sounding ignorant again, but has anyone noticed that this is the frist time that persons have actually agitated for the right to get married, citing it as a human right?

ah. i was wondering when that word was going to come up. it seems that any discussion on this topic is incomplete without someone throwing this word around.
just because one does not agree, does not mean that one is ignorant.

I disagree with almost everything you, winter and the rest of the homophobes say and think. I disagree with most of your beliefs and i question your morality and ethics.

But i believe that you are 100% free to think and feel that way and to live your lives free from the rules my morality would impose on you. You should be treated fairly and equally.

THAT IS HOW WE DIFFER.