you need to think in the realms of reality, in the case of gays marrying in The Bahamas do you really think a government whether PLP or FNM would simply "vote in " those laws, listen some of our dead great grandparents would rise up out of the grave!!! no government with sense would pass that act without a referendum.
I am thinking in the realm of reality... are you? :footmouth

IMO, the Courts will eventually decide the issue of same-sex marriage, as provisions for the guarantee of basic human rights, which this encompass, were wisely enshrined in the framework of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas by our founding fathers at its inception... :hammer:

Unfortunately, in the past, individuals, plaintiffs and human rights lawyers alike, never dared to challenge, even in the courts, the status quo of our archaic laws which violated basic rights. For years, even after our Independence in 1973, basic human rights were trampled on in Bahamian Society, as we struggled with the transformation from a colonial past, and its traditional attitudes, into a modern state where basic human rights for ALL CITIZENS are respected. :taped2:

My dear, this is a new generation of Bahamans... they are better educated, more exposed internationally, and are not burdened with the mentality of our past colonial era... :bye:

Change in inevitable, even if our present day politicians lack the moral fortitude to modernise our anarchic laws to reflect the constitutional guaranteed rights of all Bahamians, including GLBTcitizens... NO referendum or LAWS legislated by spineless politicians, as you have suggested, will deter our Bahamian Society from this modern-day transformation... :hammer:

I disagree with almost everything you, winter and the rest of the homophobes say and think. I disagree with most of your beliefs and i question your morality and ethics.
But i believe that you are 100% free to think and feel that way and to live your lives free from the rules my morality would impose on you. You should be treated fairly and equally.
THAT IS HOW WE DIFFER.

I am not a homophobe. I also disagree with your beliefs and i also question your morality and your ethics. But I let bygones be bygones, and just ask questions. I have never called anyone ignorant. If i was ignorant i would have called fire and brimstone on you from long time.
Once again, i do not think that you are ignorant.

THAT my dear, is how we differ.

Do not PM me! I am not interested. Check those threads again, they are based on news articles or things mentioned in the press. When since posting things from the press became pro- an issue? Sweetie ya looking for support in the wrong camp! I always post news articles, this is nothing new. BI records don't lie!!





If you think me not accepting gays is a violation of your human rights and if it was an offense punishable by imprisonment, then ya might as well call me the vilest offender, lock me up and throw away the key!



They are things that NORMAL people go through every day. They make good discussions and do not go to 20 pages, umpteen rows and name calling. This site has a lounge where anything can be discussed, I utilize it.


What you all are doing is an abomination unto God, God destroyed a whole city and every living thing that remained therein, including plants.

Do not believe that you have the support of a lot of people in this country and on this forum, because you do not! Many of you are tolorated because you are humans just like us however, your ways are not accepted by the majority.


Again I don't do the P.M thing!!! Those bunch of p.m's and running on ain my cup a tea. I see the gay rows on another thread and I ain fa that! I don't want to cook nobody grits on this forum!

Turn from your wicked ways, seek God's face and he will heal the Bahamaland!
I too believe in the fair and equal treatment for all human beings. But just as one has no right to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre where trampling adults could accidentally kill children, similarly the GLBT persuaded persons do not have a 'human right' to mislead an entire generation to their early graves - at least not without a counter-argument being promoted so that some might be 'saved'.

I too believe in the fair and equal treatment for all human beings. But just as one has no right to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre where trampling adults could accidentally kill children, similarly the GLBT persuaded persons do not have a 'human right' to mislead an entire generation to their early graves - at least not without a counter-argument being promoted so that some might be 'saved'.

LOL

pure stupidity :tdown::tdown:

I totally understand how Bpride must have felt. Such foolishness coming at her from all directions all while being pressured to respond politely and according to forum rules.

This "lady" russell (i suppose that term is used liberally) has in the above few sentences said that GLBT are misleading generations to early graves and she is attemting to "save" a few.

But im guessing im supposed to grin and smile and politely attempt to counter her points with the respect she has clearly not shown me.

B!!!! please.

/s

Sir Bahamasinmyheart

LOL

pure stupidity :tdown::tdown:

I totally understand how Bpride must have felt. Such foolishness coming at her from all directions all while being pressured to respond politely and according to forum rules.

This "lady" russell (i suppose that term is used liberally) has in the above few sentences said that GLBT are misleading generations to early graves and she is attemting to "save" a few.

But im guessing im supposed to grin and smile and politely attempt to counter her points with the respect she has clearly not shown me.

B!!!! please.

/s

Sir Bahamasinmyheart
"The fool says in his/her heart, "There is no God" - says the Psalmist David in Chaper 14 verse 1 of The Bible. I would have thought that a quote from the final authority on all matters would be sufficient for you, but obviously not.

My reference to our collective responsibility to properly instruct children is based on my acceptence of that Scripture as TRUTH. Therefore, I wrote on another thread the following:

There is an urgent need for correct conversations to be shared with Bahamian children, for in the aftermath of the Slavery experience, the full reclamation of our humanity has not yet taken place. The dignity ascribed by God to human beings require that men and women not prostitute their body parts for increased affluence.

In times past when the choice to operate one's body was at the discretion of Master's proclivities or whip has past. But the children of the emancipated, while showing the trappings of material success, only appear to have shed the irrational postulates of past generations. Guided by the spirit of Deception they now seek to doom the the children of the next with polluted arguments about the fair distribution of property for persons in same sex relationships.

In the Bahamas where all are free to share their views on any subject, your attemps at negative labels will not result in edification, but rather an exercise in gross futility as I demonstrate to you my superior arsenal of expletives and demeaning language. Let us not proceed to the outside toilet! PLEASE!

ma man you ain stop running on yet


hEY hEY gOOD bUDDY, CALM DOWN MAN, ery ting cool man, all a we is one at da end of the day ya know, no need fa dat, I simply value your opinion which is why I wanted to know what your response was to my last post, I recieved a post from Vicky already who made an excellent point but I only wanted to hear your response as well

hEY hEY gOOD bUDDY, CALM DOWN MAN, ery ting cool man, all a we is one at da end of the day ya know, no need fa dat, I simply value your opinion which is why I wanted to know what your response was to my last post, I recieved a post from Vicky already who made an excellent point but I only wanted to hear your response as well
eeryting kool
soon

This story appeared in The Tribune today by Taneka Thompson. According to the Rainbow Alliance there is no law preventing gays from marrying in the Bahamas.


A LOCAL gay rights activist last night challenged the Bahamian judiciary to present specific reference to any law that precludes gay couples from legally marrying in the Bahamas.
Rainbow Alliance spokesperson Erin Greene argued that one reason gays are not allowed to marry in the Bahamas is the “perpetuation of archaic fundamental beliefs.”
But the “will of the gay community” to speak out publicly against these infringements is lacking in The Bahamas, said Ms Greene.
Her comments came in the wake of an historic ruling by a California Supreme Court which overturned its ban on gay marriage last week.
“The truth is there are no laws that preclude gay people from getting married, it’s an archaic interpretation of the law or a particular archaic policy coming out of the Registrar’s Office,” Ms Greene told The Tribune.
“The Rainbow Alliance challenges any lawyer or member of the Registrar’s Office to provide the particular - the specific law - that precludes same-sex couples from getting married.
“It’s just the perpetuation of archaic fundamental beliefs that have permeated our legal system and our democracy and that’s not exclusive to the issue of gay marriage. Human beings have the right to be in relationships with whom they want, citizens of any country have the right to participate equally (in society), to have equal access to the benefits that the government or the country provides.”
Ms Greene contended the Bahamian gay community had the same desires as their American counterparts to wed, but have not been outspoken in an effort to overturn “archaic” laws for fear of being “outed” or persecuted.
“Well, everybody feels that they should have the right to get married but everybody is afraid to take those steps which require an ‘outing’ of any sort.
“Gay people want to live in healthy communities, they want to (have) healthy families and they want to build healthy relationships, but you don’t want to be martyred or crucified or murdered to do that - they would rather build their lives outside of the institutions of the country.”
She said the recent “overturn” in California is not cause for celebration because the freedom to marry is a democratic right.
“It is not a celebratory event because we know what the law says, we know that this is what a democracy provides for all of its citizens and we know that anything else is a deliberate attempt to oppress and marginalise the gay community.”
A California Supreme Court overturned a ban on gay marriage on Thursday meaning homosexual couples in the state are free to marry.
The historic ruling made California the second state - with Massachusetts being the first - in the US to effectively legalise gay marriage.
A seven-member panel voted 4-3 in favour of US plaintiffs who contend that restricting marriage to heterosexuals was discriminatory, according to the Associated Press.
California’s courts have been noted for handing down ground-breaking rulings in the past.
The state’s courts were the first to eliminate laws barring inter-racial marriage in the 20th century.
Dear Corabell:

Thank you so much for posting this erroneous data, disguised as NEWS which has allowed for such edifying dialogue. Firstly, in Ms. Erin Green's assertion that:" Human beings have the right to be in relationships with whom they want,"....is where the spirit of Deception enters and takes center stage.

The truth of the matter is: The marriage laws in The Bahamas 'are not discriminatory as they do not prevent anyone of legal age from marrying. However, no citizen is permitted to marry whomever we love, without any restriction. One cannot marry his or her mother, father, daughter, son, cousin, niece, nephew or the littlle 12 year old next door, no matter how overwhelming the love and desire for them might be.

Restrictions are not necessarily discriminatory. As long as homosexuals have exactly the same legal choices of marriage partners as does the rest of society, there is no bona fide case for discrimination.' (Excerpted today from The Orange Couny Register, CA USA)

F.Y.I.

LOL

pure stupidity :tdown::tdown:

I totally understand how Bpride must have felt. Such foolishness coming at her from all directions all while being pressured to respond politely and according to forum rules.

This "lady" russell (i suppose that term is used liberally) has in the above few sentences said that GLBT are misleading generations to early graves and she is attemting to "save" a few.

But im guessing im supposed to grin and smile and politely attempt to counter her points with the respect she has clearly not shown me.

B!!!! please.

/s

Sir Bahamasinmyheart
The bible speaks about people like you who will try to make wrong right and right wrong!!

B. pride was/is lost and so are you!!

Both of you need serious help, help that I can't give....Only God can because of the depts that you both along with many others have sunk to!!

But Lady Russell is 100% right!!!!

Lady Russell, I have been deling with these none-believers for a while now....so I'll tell you this...

They are trying to make people believe that the bible is nothing but another story book, they don't believe in the God that the bible speaks of who will separate the sheep from the goats at the end of this age, they only choose to believe in the loving side of God but not the vengeance side and most of all the God of judgement side!!

They want people to believe that no matter how you live your life, you will spend eternity with God.....

People like you and I must reach those who are not so contaminated as yet by their filt!!

Lady Russell, I have been deling with these none-believers for a while now....so I'll tell you this...
They are trying to make people believe that the bible is nothing but another story book, they don't believe in the God that the bible speaks of who will separate the sheep from the goats at the end of this age, they only choose to believe in the loving side of God but not the vengeance side and most of all the God of judgement side!!
They want people to believe that no matter how you live your life, you will spend eternity with God.....
People like you and I must reach those who are not so contaminated as yet by their filt!!

Seriously though, who drilled it into you that everything in the bible is right?
Trying to make someone believe in something that is not real, would be a form of abuse. This happens to kids all the time, their parents making them goto church, say grace, do this and do that. It is the parents belief, it is not fact, they should not be abusing their kids like that, brainwashing the poor souls, they end up becoming PLPs :D Ofcourse after 18 years of being brainwashed, they are not going to accept anything else as reason, they will not want to believe their whole life may have been spent believing in something that is not real .. they are not going to be ready to become objective and think for themselves ... some do and they call that growing up .. others just keep believing what they were taught and if anyone questions their lifelong belief .. they must be the devil, to HELL with them!! :hammer:

Seriously though, who drilled it into you that everything in the bible is right?
Trying to make someone believe in something that is not real, would be a form of abuse. This happens to kids all the time, their parents making them goto church, say grace, do this and do that. It is the parents belief, it is not fact, they should not be abusing their kids like that, brainwashing the poor souls, they end up becoming PLPs :D Ofcourse after 18 years of being brainwashed, they are not going to accept anything else as reason, they will not want to believe their whole life may have been spent believing in something that is not real .. they are not going to be ready to become objective and think for themselves ... some do and they call that growing up .. others just keep believing what they were taught and if anyone questions their lifelong belief .. they must be the devil, to HELL with them!! :hammer:
I am not going to run on with you because we have been there before and it proved to be a waste of time!!

But I will say this. I believe the bible in its entirety and it's too sad that you don't.. But I say that's your lost!!! Look up the KJV bible and read Romans 1: 20-32.....

I will not argue at the world's standard, I live by a higher standard which is in CHRIST!!!

Lady Russell, I have been deling with these none-believers for a while now....so I'll tell you this...

They are trying to make people believe that the bible is nothing but another story book, they don't believe in the God that the bible speaks of who will separate the sheep from the goats at the end of this age, they only choose to believe in the loving side of God but not the vengeance side and most of all the God of judgement side!!

They want people to believe that no matter how you live your life, you will spend eternity with God.....

People like you and I must reach those who are not so contaminated as yet by their filt!!
Thank you kindly for your agreement with The Word of God. It is so important in every Culture, nation, civilization and time dispensation that a standard is raised for the values and norms of the Kingdom of God. The continuity and future of the human race is tied to this truth.

Inspite of the discomfort to my flesh (ego, reputation, self-perception) caused by those who are in opposition to Biblical standards, I am encouraged that there is at least a remnant of persons in our Bahamas who agree with God. The strategy of the Enemy and those whom he has hood-winked, is to silence the Word, while continually repeating their subtle lies, presenting fallacious arguments as accepted truths until the next generation of children no longer recall a time before they had two mommies or two Daddies.

While it may appear at times that accepting the Word of God as true comes with great personal insults and sacrifice, the reality is that God's goodness towards those who agree with Him is Awesome. While the Enemy and his defeated minions worked tirelessly behind the scenes to make my life a living hell, recently bragging about having me fired from my ZNS job, God has ensured that my life continues in great comfort, while I serve in some of the most important spiritual battles for the soul of our nation as well as our neighbours to the North. Halleleujah!

So please continue to be encouraged! The rewards far outweigh the negatives, Add to this wonderful package: perfect health, extraordinary beauty, creative intelligence and obedient offspring; for me the choice of agreement with God is clear.

What de rass does hitler have 2 do wid u n john convo, why is it when ppl try to discredit or make someone seem bad,evil, sadistic. They envoke the memory of this man. Please their is no need for these silly mind games. If his/her argument is flawed or your opinion holds more weight, then these little tricks are rendered useless. Another example of this is some bahamians when an argument ensues and one person does not like the opinion of the other they will say "U is highsun aye?" most time the conversation has nothing to do with the persons point of view as if these persons have a birth defect that is contagious. Another example of this baiting is in the international arena anyone with a dissenting view of Israel is viewed as an anti-semite, this trash/nonsense of discreditin ppl by labels or relations to persons or group needs to stop. If they are so bad they will expose themselves time and again in what they write. LEts do better
Oh, my, Yardman, I must have touched a sensitive nerve here... If John Doe was referring to what I believe were anti-gay remarks made by the Jamaican PM, then the reference to Adolf Hitler was most relverent... :taped2:

As you well know, Hitler was a repressed homosexual who was extremely homophobic and ordered the extermination of not only Jews and Blacks, but homosexuals as well during his reign of terror in Nazi Germandy... When a nation's leader shows intolerance for minorities within his country, it could have catastrophic results for those being oppressed or scapegoated... :hammer:

Dear Corabell:
Thank you so much for posting this erroneous data, disguised as NEWS which has allowed for such edifying dialogue. Firstly, in Ms. Erin Green's assertion that:" Human beings have the right to be in relationships with whom they want,"....is where the spirit of Deception enters and takes center stage.
The truth of the matter is: The marriage laws in The Bahamas 'are not discriminatory as they do not prevent anyone of legal age from marrying. However, no citizen is permitted to marry whomever we love, without any restriction. One cannot marry his or her mother, father, daughter, son, cousin, niece, nephew or the littlle 12 year old next door, no matter how overwhelming the love and desire for them might be.
Restrictions are not necessarily discriminatory. As long as homosexuals have exactly the same legal choices of marriage partners as does the rest of society, there is no bona fide case for discrimination.' (Excerpted today from The Orange Couny Register, CA USA)
F.Y.I.


It is true that not all restrictions are discriminatory. For example, when a restriction is imposed on public interest grounds for instance public health grounds. But it cannot be considered correct that 'as long as homosexuals have exactly the same legal choices of marriage partners as does the rest of society, there is no bona fide case for discrimination.' If I could use an analogy, take for instance a racial practice prohibiting blacks and whites from marrying. If we state that black people, while still having exactly the same legal choices of marriage partners as does the rest of society, there is therefore no bona fide case for discrimination. This can be seen as a smoke screen to mask the clear cut discrimination that is seen in a policy prohibiting blacks and whites from marrying. Bringing the situation closer to home, if the law at its highest level namely the Constitution of The Bahamas provides for equality by conversely prohibiting discrimination then such a policy cannot stand. And in the application of the law, marriage is allowed for heterosexual couples rather than homosexual couples, then the law cannot be seen to be evenly applied. There is no public health ground to preclude two monogamous homosexual lovers from marrying. That's simple discrimination.


Also, I discuss legal and logical technicalities, but I'm a christian. I see nothing wrong with allowing gays the right to marry. I'm straight, and as a straight person I still dont see anything wrong with allowing them to marry. The Bible calls homosexuality an abomination. But Jesus says we fulfill the law through love. In the spirit of love, let all persons have the full effect and benefit of the law equally. I can consider no argument more powerful than this. Let them marry if they wish. If it doesnt concern you, then mind ya own business.
~The rastaman vibration is positive.~