Can't we just call the Bahamas Humaine Society and have him/her put to sleep
See what I mean and you people condone this kind of stuff.
So don't wonder why I stand my ground.

I have been put on this earth to correct faulty logic and outright lies when I see it. Let me educate you on the SRY gene. The SRY gene has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. If you had a defective SRY gene, you would be infertile. You would have the body of a woman, and the genitalia of a man, and you would probably swim for the East German 1970's Olympic team. The communists sought out these mutants who had the genitalia of a woman (or mixed man and woman) but had the strength of a man. The swim champion Cornelia Ender comes to mind. Nobody was sure of her real sex, because she had a mutated SRY gene.

You don't claim directly but try to imply that a defective SRY gene is responsible for gender benders. That is a total mistruth.

As for anecdotal evidence that you provide, I go back to my original argument. Suppose my brain chemistry makes me think that I am a woman. Should I treat my brain chemistry, or chop off my ballz?

The psychiatrists who profess gender dysphoria are akin to the Freudian class of psychoanalysts thirty years ago. Freud incorrectly postulated that many mental illnesses came from Oedipus or Electra complexes where we would like to mate with our parents. All of Freudian psychotherapy has been discredited with the discovery of seratonin and dopamines etc.

So what happens when scientists develop a form of Seratonin uptake inhibitors like a Paxil that will stop making you think that you are a woman? Have you ever thought of that.

In the ultimate irony, you talk about the SRY gene. Incidentally, a defective SRY gene affect the level of neurotransmitters called dopamines. If you have a defective one of these, you may be mentally ill and ultimately suffer from schizophrenia, parkinsons, and other dopamine related brain maladies. And all of this is due to a very simple defect in a protein chain.
WOW!

if peope ask questions I will respond. If people insult I will let them know they are wrong. After all I don't see you or any one else pointing out to people that it was wrong to insult some one.
Do you think it was right for Lady Russell to imply I or GLBT have with animals? Non of you have told her she is wrong for that. So I stand my ground and I will do it over and over again if I have to.
My Dear Vicky:

I never suggested that you personally had sex with animals. However, for years this practice has been prevalent among animal owners (poodles generally) as there is a whole genre of Pornography magazines devoted to the subject. Kinky friends from my earlier days often told me that if ever I went to Mexico that I should be sure to go see the woman having sex with the donkey. From what I've seen of the genitalia of horses, I could only imagine the difficulty.

My point is this: The same twisted logic being employed to justify Gay marriage could be used in future to include one's favourite animal used for sexual purposes. What's the difference? Both practices are presently illegal?

I am surprised that your feelings were hurt by the suggestion that you might engage in an act of Beastiality! This means that you have not been so seduced by the new standards of debauchery, where anythig is permissable. Praise God!

I have been put on this earth to correct faulty logic and outright lies when I see it. Let me educate you on the SRY gene. The SRY gene has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. If you had a defective SRY gene, you would be infertile. You would have the body of a woman, and the genitalia of a man, and you would probably swim for the East German 1970's Olympic team. The communists sought out these mutants who had the genitalia of a woman (or mixed man and woman) but had the strength of a man. The swim champion Cornelia Ender comes to mind. Nobody was sure of her real sex, because she had a mutated SRY gene.
You don't claim directly but try to imply that a defective SRY gene is responsible for gender benders. That is a total mistruth.
As for anecdotal evidence that you provide, I go back to my original argument. Suppose my brain chemistry makes me think that I am a woman. Should I treat my brain chemistry, or chop off my ballz?
The psychiatrists who profess gender dysphoria are akin to the Freudian class of psychoanalysts thirty years ago. Freud incorrectly postulated that many mental illnesses came from Oedipus or Electra complexes where we would like to mate with our parents. All of Freudian psychotherapy has been discredited with the discovery of seratonin and dopamines etc.
So what happens when scientists develop a form of Seratonin uptake inhibitors like a Paxil that will stop making you think that you are a woman? Have you ever thought of that.
In the ultimate irony, you talk about the SRY gene. Incidentally, a defective SRY gene affect the level of neurotransmitters called dopamines. If you have a defective one of these, you may be mentally ill and ultimately suffer from schizophrenia, parkinsons, and other dopamine related brain maladies. And all of this is due to a very simple defect in a protein chain.

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2789.htm

A child's gender development, meaning maturation of gender identity, clearly begins in the intrauterine stage. Hormone-induced sexual dimorphism in the growing fetus probably plays a primary role. This is apparent in the fact that, most commonly, female sex corresponds with female gender, just as male sex and male gender are commonly linked.

Initially, all human fetuses are female, in that the default pathway is to develop into a female. During the eighth week of gestation, the presence of a Y chromosome and a functional locus for the SRY gene product, also called the testes determining factor (TDF), determines if testicular development will occur. This process converts the inherently female fetus into a male one, as a steadily increasing surge of testosterone is then produced by the testes. Much of the testosterone is converted to dihydrotestosterone, which is the key hormone to virilize the fetus. Along the biochemical pathway, other recently identified gene products likely play an additional role in the masculinization of the fetus.

My Dear Vicky:
I never suggested that you personally had sex with animals. However, for years this practice has been prevalent among animal owners (poodles generally) as there is a whole genre of Pornography magazines devoted to the subject. Kinky friends from my earlier days often told me that if ever I went to Mexico that I should be sure to go see the woman having sex with the donkey. From what I've seen of the genitalia of horses, I could only imagine the difficulty.
My point is this: The same twisted logic being employed to justify Gay marriage could be used in future to include one's favourite animal used for sexual purposes. What's the difference? Both practices are presently illegal?
I am surprised that your feelings were hurt by the suggestion that you might engage in an act of Beastiality! This means that you have not been so seduced by the new standards of debauchery, where anythig is permissable. Praise God!
My feelings were not hurt but you were wrong to try and link the 2. Don't ever mix consentual sex with Beastiality.

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2789.htm
A child's gender development, meaning maturation of gender identity, clearly begins in the intrauterine stage. Hormone-induced sexual dimorphism in the growing fetus probably plays a primary role. This is apparent in the fact that, most commonly, female sex corresponds with female gender, just as male sex and male gender are commonly linked.
Initially, all human fetuses are female, in that the default pathway is to develop into a female. During the eighth week of gestation, the presence of a Y chromosome and a functional locus for the SRY gene product, also called the testes determining factor (TDF), determines if testicular development will occur. This process converts the inherently female fetus into a male one, as a steadily increasing surge of testosterone is then produced by the testes. Much of the testosterone is converted to dihydrotestosterone, which is the key hormone to virilize the fetus. Along the biochemical pathway, other recently identified gene products likely play an additional role in the masculinization of the fetus.

Once again you see what you want to see and bend the article to your perception. If you examine the terminology, you will see that gender identity refers to sexual characteristics -- penis or vagina. The fact that we all start out female in the womb is nothing new. Gender identity is differentiated genetically and with hormones. The paragraph that you quoted is the normal route of how boys will be boys and girls will be girls.

You confuse gender identity (in the above medical tome) with perceived gender identity. There was nothing wrong with your gender. You had the necessary equipment and you fathered children. There is nothing wrong with your masculine gender identity.

However your perceptual gender identity is faulty. And it is my premise that this is not organic (science support this) but rather a brain thing. And as such, medically altering your body is rather extreme, as neurotransmitter therapy will cure this in a few years, and you will not think of yourself as a woman.

Giving yourself hormones, and chopping bits off your body is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole (make your own joke). Not only does it negatively impact your health, but it reduces your life span, and ultimately doesn't make that much of a difference. Your grown children must be proud as punch to introduce dad in a dress.

On top of all of this, you now think that you are gay, and you have become a gay rights apologist. Now I wouldn't mind any of this, except that you are a one track message -- look at me. Pity me, and pay for my breast enlargement (see passim). How about discussing the economy for a change.

Do all of you TRULY feel that anyone that is trans or GBL would take time out of their lives and their families to argue these points just for attention? Just for fun? Do not discount the fact that Vicki could be correct in her thoughts and that you are judging her. She is hear to listen to what you have to say, but you never really seem to listen to HER. Ever hear of "Thou shalt not judge"? or is that not part of your Bible? I think it amusing when adults use the bible for hate...cuz Lord help you in the afterlife!
From Lady Russell: "My Dear Vicky:
I never suggested that you personally had sex with animals. However, for years this practice has been prevalent among animal owners (poodles generally) as there is a whole genre of Pornography magazines devoted to the subject. Kinky friends from my earlier days often told me that if ever I went to Mexico that I should be sure to go see the woman having sex with the donkey. From what I've seen of the genitalia of horses, I could only imagine the difficulty."
Excuse me while I share my ten dollars worth. Why is it that you feel the need to discount someones life, to down someones own truth, by SUGGESTING something like beastiality? Your slight hints to perversion only work in your little world. God and Vicki know the truth about who she is. YOUR views certainly do not matter!
"My point is this: The same twisted logic being employed to justify Gay marriage could be used in future to include one's favourite animal used for sexual purposes."
Do you have an issue with concentration or a perversion of your own that you have to bring up something that has nothing to do with gay/lesbian life?
"I am surprised that your feelings were hurt by..." AND "Praise God!"
Do you seriously Praise God and speak of such hatred in the same paragraph?

How about discussing the economy for a change.
Let's discuss the economy and see how much better other tourist areas are sizing up compared to homophobic Nassau with regards to GBLT tourism! You want to discuss economy like it's an issue...but the issue could be solved, as many areas of the world have found, by ridding yourselves of hate and letting in the vast financial possibilities of gay travel!
You may not want gay travelers but I bet a buck you wouldn't mind the money!

Once again you see what you want to see and bend the article to your perception. If you examine the terminology, you will see that gender identity refers to sexual characteristics -- penis or vagina. The fact that we all start out female in the womb is nothing new. Gender identity is differentiated genetically and with hormones. The paragraph that you quoted is the normal route of how boys will be boys and girls will be girls.
You confuse gender identity (in the above medical tome) with perceived gender identity. There was nothing wrong with your gender. You had the necessary equipment and you fathered children. There is nothing wrong with your masculine gender identity. Are you a Dr or psycholigist?? do you know the differance between ones sex and ones gender??
However your perceptual gender identity is faulty. And it is my premise that this is not organic (science support this) but rather a brain thing. And as such, medically altering your body is rather extreme, as neurotransmitter therapy will cure this in a few years, and you will not think of yourself as a woman.
Really I wounder how come the medical community does not know of your solution. Might I suggest you inform them since you have the cure..
Giving yourself hormones, and chopping bits off your body is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole (make your own joke). Not only does it negatively impact your health, but it reduces your life span, and ultimately doesn't make that much of a difference. Your grown children must be proud as punch to introduce dad in a dress. My Kids have no issue with me we go any and every where. I even walked my daughter down the isle. They are not ashamed of me they are afraid of stupid people
On top of all of this, you now think that you are gay, and you have become a gay rights apologist. Now I wouldn't mind any of this, except that you are a one track message -- look at me. Pity me, and pay for my breast enlargement (see passim). How about discussing the economy for a change.
I don't think I am gay I have no intrest in males. I am a lesbian transsexual woman if you must use lables

You confuse gender identity (in the above medical tome) with perceived gender identity. There was nothing wrong with your gender. You had the necessary equipment and you fathered children. There is nothing wrong with your masculine gender identity.
However your perceptual gender identity is faulty. And it is my premise that this is not organic (science support this) but rather a brain thing. And as such, medically altering your body is rather extreme, as neurotransmitter therapy will cure this in a few years, and you will not think of yourself as a woman.

ACTUALLY, you are incorrect. Fathering a child has NOTHING to do with gender identity. Sorry, but duh. And also, a persons perceptual gender identity is obviously the same thing as gender identity. How a person perceives themselves typically leads to how they identify with themselves. For you lurker, I'll explain. Vicki has always perceived herself as a female. THEREFORE, her gender identity is female.
In your last paragraph here quoted, you say that her gender identity is faulty basically because you say so....because we all know that gender identity is based on what LURKER feels, not the actual person. lol. So Vicki, just sit around and wait, and maybe someday you won't feel like a woman anymore. How ridiculous!

My feelings were not hurt but you were wrong to try and link the 2. Don't ever mix consentual sex with Beastiality.
Truly Vicky, I fail to see why the idea of Beastiality so upsets you. To the practitioners, it is simply the kind of sex they prefer and would also wish to claim their constitutional right to have. However, it is, and remains, an illegal act. Just like same sex marriage.

Your photograph attached to your posts as well as your quote from the musical La Cage Aux Faux gives me some insight into some of your deeper thoughts. "I am what I am, I don't want praise, I don't want pity - I beat my own drum, some say its noise, some say it's pretty" the lyrics from the Broadway hit were designed to portray the homosexual lifestyle as a great expression of freedom.

However, the true reasoning behind the concept and production of the Broadway play was simply to do damage control by delivering a desperately needed Public Relations exercise with great choreography and musical arrangements, according to Wikepedia:

La Cage aux Folles (musical)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"A gay-themed project was risky in the early years of the AIDS epidemic, even though many Broadway performers, crew members, and devotees were homosexual. But the creative team - all gay men - felt that such a show was the tonic needed by those suffering from the illness and to combat the overt homophobia that had surfaced in some quarters due to the threat posed by the epidemic.

Although La Cage was Broadway's first gay-themed musical, it was nevertheless a mainstream production. Laurents didn't allow his lead characters so much as a peck on the cheek for fear that he might offend his audience. It was an old-fashioned production in the best sense - elaborate costumes by veteran Theoni V. Aldredge, exquisite sets, glamorous chorus girls (including mostly boys in drag), and a lushly romantic score. "

At that time, I thought the song "I am what I am" was simply an upbeat tune with witty lyrics, until I found out the background and plot of the play. Now I know that it is not a harmless ditty but a very clever bit of programming which is designed to encourage the singers and the listeners to disregard traditional values and norms. When you are a teeager with raging hormones and a headful of theories and a burning desire to live comfortably, these suggestions are easily assimilated as original thoughts.

There is always an abundance of sexually deviant seniors willing to encourage younger persons to continue down the path of sexual and identity experimentation, since financing and fueling the fantasy, results in their own sexual gratification, while they callously disregard the mental confusion suffered by their gullible victim and the early death by the sexually transmitted by HIV which often follows.

The late Dr. D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries in Ft. Lauderdale saw the need to set up a special ministry for persons who were conflicted by gender identity. He had set up a special facility to house those persons willing to trust Jesus Christ as personal Saviour, where special Councillors would minister and teach The Word to the new converts over a six (6) month period. What I saw was men who were former Drag Queens, dressed in formal wedding attire as they walked down the aisle to marry their formerly 'Butch' wives also attired in beautiful wedding gowns.

I'm sharing this information with you Vicky, because I want you to know that nothing is too hard for God and that whatever your experiences or influences, He is fully aware of the whole episode and is not shocked or dismayed. You are not the first person who has had this experience. There are other solutions. Please search them out. Just as I mentioned those who would sing you the "Scarecrow's Song" from the "WIZ" musical, insisting that "You can't win, you can't break even and you can't get out of the game!"
The truh is that you can win and the fact that your name is not already in the obituary column means that you are being kept by His Grace for His purposes, which is always the we might have an opportunity to choose Him. Again, nothing is too hard for the Lord!
(Jeremiah 32:17).

God Bless!

Truly Vicky, I fail to see why the idea of Beastiality so upsets you. To the practitioners, it is simply the kind of sex they prefer and would also wish to claim their constitutional right to have. However, it is, and remains, an illegal act. Just like same sex marriage.

Incorrect....to liken homosexuality to bestiality or that has been suggested in this thread to polygamy is egregious and unfair...

When compared the two don't equate....but in a futile attempt to defend your baseless conclusions people like you will use any manner of fallacious rhetoric... The parallels between a homosexual union and a heterosexual union are rooted in the fact that the variables are basically the same.... TWO consenting, non related adults who love each other and are committed to monogamy... Those are the grounds for which we petition for EQUAL rights...Whereas TWO consenting non related HUMAN heterosexual adults (where they are respectively male and female)have the right to marry, our contention is that TWO consenting non related HUMAN adults (where perhaps both are male or both are female) should be afforded the same rights....

We argue ad nauseum the presumed outcome or "purpose" of marriage....that is...(as is mentioned in this thread:


economic security for two partners
providing a stable environment for raising children (For societies preservation and ultimate benefit)
companionship...
Validating commitment between TWO adults
Monogamy


THAT my dear is the discussion we are having... And if we make the assumption that marriage by definition or by creation is to manifest these things, to deny homosexuals the right to do so SHOULD be accompanied with an argument that CLEARLY illustrates their (homosexuals) inability to do so...To date no argument has been presented in that regard...

A polygamist, bestiality, or those involved in incestuous relationships cannot argue effectively on grounds of equality in this regard based on the vast difference in the variables....

If you so chose you can argue the rights of those involved in bestiality, polygamy and incest in another thread....But as I'm sure and confident in your ability to read this thread is dedicated to addressing and discussing the rights of Gay persons to marry in the Bahamas...No amount of red herring will disguise this thread's purpose...Ms. Russell IF we are to have a sensible conversation please follow the rules of SENSIBLE debate...

Your photograph attached to your posts as well as your quote from the musical La Cage Aux Faux gives me some insight into some of your deeper thoughts. "I am what I am, I don't want praise, I don't want pity - I beat my own drum, some say its noise, some say it's pretty" the lyrics from the Broadway hit were designed to portray the homosexual lifestyle as a great expression of freedom.
However, the true reasoning behind the concept and production of the Broadway play was simply to do damage control by delivering a desperately needed Public Relations exercise with great choreography and musical arrangements, according to Wikepedia:
La Cage aux Folles (musical)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"A gay-themed project was risky in the early years of the AIDS epidemic, even though many Broadway performers, crew members, and devotees were homosexual. But the creative team - all gay men - felt that such a show was the tonic needed by those suffering from the illness and to combat the overt homophobia that had surfaced in some quarters due to the threat posed by the epidemic.
Although La Cage was Broadway's first gay-themed musical, it was nevertheless a mainstream production. Laurents didn't allow his lead characters so much as a peck on the cheek for fear that he might offend his audience. It was an old-fashioned production in the best sense - elaborate costumes by veteran Theoni V. Aldredge, exquisite sets, glamorous chorus girls (including mostly boys in drag), and a lushly romantic score. "

I can sit here and question your reasoning...even the relevance...But somehow I'm convinced that it is a waste of time..In the grand scheme of things this play its outcome or success really has NOTHING to do with this thread...Redherring at its best...Lets proceed thinking that somehow you have made a point...

At that time, I thought the song "I am what I am" was simply an upbeat tune with witty lyrics, until I found out the background and plot of the play. Now I know that it is not a harmless ditty but a very clever bit of programming which is designed to encourage the singers and the listeners to disregard traditional values and norms. When you are a teeager with raging hormones and a headful of theories and a burning desire to live comfortably, these suggestions are easily assimilated as original thoughts.
There is always an abundance of sexually deviant seniors willing to encourage younger persons to continue down the path of sexual and identity experimentation, since financing and fueling the fantasy, results in their own sexual gratification, while they callously disregard the mental confusion suffered by their gullible victim and the early death by the sexually transmitted by HIV which often follows.

Are we talking about child sexual predators or Gay agitating for Rights to be married in the Bahamas?....Despite your sick and twisted reasoning they are BY FAR two different conversations....Mind you... I would gladly oblige you in another thread to discuss the evils of Child Molestation and how it's pandemic even in our little country...steming straight across the sexual orientation/gender/race divide...from Incestuous abuse to teenage pregnancy where fathers are "prominent" members of society leaving single mothers to raise children...to young boys being molested by both those who "claim" to be heterosexual and those that don't....Surely this is a serious problem...But by no chance can you equate Homosexuality with this behaviour....WELL at least what I should say is...I wont allow you to...


The late Dr. D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries in Ft. Lauderdale saw the need to set up a special ministry for persons who were conflicted by gender identity. He had set up a special facility to house those persons willing to trust Jesus Christ as personal Saviour, where special Councillors would minister and teach The Word to the new converts over a six (6) month period. What I saw was men who were former Drag Queens, dressed in formal wedding attire as they walked down the aisle to marry their formerly 'Butch' wives also attired in beautiful wedding gowns.
I'm sharing this information with you Vicky, because I want you to know that nothing is too hard for God and that whatever your experiences or influences, He is fully aware of the whole episode and is not shocked or dismayed. You are not the first person who has had this experience. There are other solutions. Please search them out. Just as I mentioned those who would sing you the "Scarecrow's Song" from the "WIZ" musical, insisting that "You can't win, you can't break even and you can't get out of the game!"
The truh is that you can win and the fact that your name is not already in the obituary column means that you are being kept by His Grace for His purposes, which is always the we might have an opportunity to choose Him. Again, nothing is too hard for the Lord!
(Jeremiah 32:17).
God Bless!
All inspiring...REALLY it is.... and IM SURE your heart was full as you sat "lovingly" responding to Vicky... But have you ever heard the expression "talking but not saying anything"??....If only that saying was applicable to the wonderful world of cyberspace....Maybe it is...but NAHHH!!..."typing and not saying anything" isn't as effective...While your proselytising I'm sure is appreciated by your readers it certainly has no bearing on this thread...and certainly could have been done via PM...Perhaps maybe after your prayer service is done we can get back to what the thread is really about?

God loves even you hunny!...

Incorrect....to liken homosexuality to bestiality or that has been suggested in this thread to polygamy is egregious and unfair...

When compared the two don't equate....but in a futile attempt to defend your baseless conclusions people like you will use any manner of fallacious rhetoric... The parallels between a homosexual union and a heterosexual union are rooted in the fact that the variables are basically the same.... TWO consenting, non related adults who love each other and are committed to monogamy... Those are the grounds for which we petition for EQUAL rights...Whereas TWO consenting non related HUMAN heterosexual adults (where they are respectively male and female)have the right to marry, our contention is that TWO consenting non related HUMAN adults (where perhaps both are male or both are female) should be afforded the same rights....

We argue ad nauseum the presumed outcome or "purpose" of marriage....that is...(as is mentioned in this thread:


economic security for two partners
providing a stable environment for raising children (For societies preservation and ultimate benefit)
companionship...
Validating commitment between TWO adults
Monogamy


THAT my dear is the discussion we are having... And if we make the assumption that marriage by definition or by creation is to manifest these things, to deny homosexuals the right to do so SHOULD be accompanied with an argument that CLEARLY illustrates their (homosexuals) inability to do so...To date no argument has been presented in that regard...

A polygamist, bestiality, or those involved in incestuous relationships cannot argue effectively on grounds of equality in this regard based on the vast difference in the variables....

If you so chose you can argue the rights of those involved in bestiality, polygamy and incest in another thread....But as I'm sure and confident in your ability to read this thread is dedicated to addressing and discussing the rights of Gay persons to marry in the Bahamas...No amount of red herring will disguise this thread's purpose...Ms. Russell IF we are to have a sensible conversation please follow the rules of SENSIBLE debate...



I can sit here and question your reasoning...even the relevance...But somehow I'm convinced that it is a waste of time..In the grand scheme of things this play its outcome or success really has NOTHING to do with this thread...Redherring at its best...Lets proceed thinking that somehow you have made a point...



Are we talking about child sexual predators or Gay agitating for Rights to be married in the Bahamas?....Despite your sick and twisted reasoning they are BY FAR two different conversations....Mind you... I would gladly oblige you in another thread to discuss the evils of Child Molestation and how it's pandemic even in our little country...steming straight across the sexual orientation/gender/race divide...from Incestuous abuse to teenage pregnancy where fathers are "prominent" members of society leaving single mothers to raise children...to young boys being molested by both those who "claim" to be heterosexual and those that don't....Surely this is a serious problem...But by no chance can you equate Homosexuality with this behaviour....WELL at least what I should say is...I wont allow you to...



All inspiring...REALLY it is.... and IM SURE your heart was full as you sat "lovingly" responding to Vicky... But have you ever heard the expression "talking but not saying anything"??....If only that saying was applicable to the wonderful world of cyberspace....Maybe it is...but NAHHH!!..."typing and not saying anything" isn't as effective...While your proselytising I'm sure is appreciated by your readers it certainly has no bearing on this thread...and certainly could have been done via PM...Perhaps maybe after your prayer service is done we can get back to what the thread is really about?

God loves even you hunny!...
Did you note that my conversation was addressed specifically to vicky? For as long as Vicky wishes to engage me in dialogue, I will respond.

N.B. Not one word posted had anything to do with what you have said or what you are now saying.

For the last time, I do not wish to have a converstion with you about anything. Your ideas are the head of the snake which will be cut off before it swallows us whole!

Away with you!

ACTUALLY, you are incorrect. Fathering a child has NOTHING to do with gender identity. Sorry, but duh. And also, a persons perceptual gender identity is obviously the same thing as gender identity. How a person perceives themselves typically leads to how they identify with themselves. For you lurker, I'll explain. Vicki has always perceived herself as a female. THEREFORE, her gender identity is female.
In your last paragraph here quoted, you say that her gender identity is faulty basically because you say so....because we all know that gender identity is based on what LURKER feels, not the actual person. lol. So Vicki, just sit around and wait, and maybe someday you won't feel like a woman anymore. How ridiculous!

laacmc, I would suggest that you go back and read the article that vicky posted closely. This is called basic comprehension of the written word. In that article, it describes how the Y gene is expressed intrauterinely to create a female gender identity while the SRY gene is the testes determinant hormone. This is not about perceptual things in the brain -- this is about physical gonadal change -- and that is the context of gender identity of this article. No where in this article does it talk about gender dysphoria.

I realise that there is some complexity to this article, but can't you see that?

Perceptual gender dysphoria is just as real as epilepsy, narcolepsy and such. But like those other conditions, there is hope with hypocreatine, and dopamine altering regimes within the brain through adminstered neurotransmitter therapies. Pardon me, but your ignorance is showing.

laacmc, I would suggest that you go back and read the article that vicky posted closely. This is called basic comprehension of the written word. In that article, it describes how the Y gene is expressed intrauterinely to create a female gender identity while the SRY gene is the testes determinant hormone. This is not about perceptual things in the brain -- this is about physical gonadal change -- and that is the context of gender identity of this article. No where in this article does it talk about gender dysphoria.

I realise that there is some complexity to this article, but can't you see that?

Perceptual gender dysphoria is just as real as epilepsy, narcolepsy and such. But like those other conditions, there is hope with hypocreatine, and dopamine altering regimes within the brain through adminstered neurotransmitter therapies. Pardon me, but your ignorance is showing.
Thanking God that He made you a Bahamian. As I read your posts, it appears that there is yet hope that we might navigate safely past this critical juncture. But this may be mere wishful thinking on my part, since the most ardent defenders of the Bahamian Dream have strangely been sent on foreign soil.

Stranger still is the reality of a Website which boasts over 8000 members, yet never seems to generate more than a few threads of basic human decency. The future for The Bahamas,My Dear Lurker, is not looking too bright.

My limited understanding of Scripture directs me to conclude that God is debating the option of giving our place to those 8 million people to the South, changing our national language to Creole and allowing His name to be removed from our Constitution. It's known in Scripture as the Curse of Deuteronomy 28. Verse 33 states: "A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labour produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. Verse 34. The sights you see will drive you mad." NIV

Please keep fighting!