View Full Version : Gays say they can marry in the Bahamas
LotusPhoenix 05-20-08, - 05:54 PM you do confuse people
how can you understand how the gay community feels about marriage when you can't even spell marriage?
BOL!!!
Cassy 05-20-08, - 06:06 PM :taped2:Well i dont know who you talk to or be around but marriage was never outlined to be a woman and a man, marriage is for two parties that love each other and want to bind this love together in marriage ok.
So where ever you saw that in writting please send it to me, Thanks.
Lastly I have a girl friend that i have been with for THREE YEARS and she is all woman and we are open with our relationship she dresses the way she is comfortable since she was small and that is in jeans and shirt nothing tight at all.
So please get your facts straight and if you cant ask me cause i can teach you alot that you need to know...
You know the strange thing about this whole gay issue that they themself understands thats in a marrige one plays the woman role and the other the male. Confuse people who needs help.
Cassy 05-20-08, - 06:08 PM Thank you very much!!! on this note
In all due respects Lady Chippie, firstly, one must admire the personal courage and strength of Ms. Cassy for her impassionate stance, in the face of hostile opposition, to love the person she chose, and, to demand the same privileges as heterosexuals to the state sanctioned “bond of marriage”, with all its legal implications.
Secondly, as far as your comments on Ms. Cassy’s comparison of “two wrongs”..., it is YOU, with your basic premise that “homosexually” is wrong, who has created the comparison. In an antagonistic environment, Ms.Cassy merely, metaphorically speaking, “held up a mirror” to Bahamian Society and challenged us to “TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT VE- SELF”. Moreover, she showed tremendous character by not retaliating against her opposition with similar "low-class" personal attacks.
Who among us can contest her statement that, despite the unsympathetic and intimidating arguments about gay marriage, WE ALL have friends or relatives who are “in the closet”, or in some cases, outwardly gay, and we may or may not be “ashamed of them”. And this is so true about us Bahamians, one would hear only in whispers our “dark family secrets”, but nothing is ever mentioned in the “open”...
She then goes on to remind us of the realistic problem of incest, a scourge that has permeated our society, and caused tremendous emotional and psychological harm to our children, even into adulthood. Yet, as a society, we have never conducted an indebt study or implemented a national strategy to eliminate this problem.
Ms. Cassy also mentions the spiralling murder rate and violent crime that has a strangle hold on our society... Where is the passion here to lock up the perpetuators and get them off the streets...?
Lastly, she exposes something that most anti-gay persons denies.. That is, even though they teach their children to be anti-gay, those who may have a homosexual orientation are forced to live on the “down low”, pretending to be “straight”. Many are compelled by social pressures, to enter into “empty” heterosexual “relationships”, while maintaining a “secret” homosexual lifestyle characterised by “shallow” relationships and dangerous sexual liaisons with multiple partners. IMO, this risqué lifestyle, has contributed tremendously to the high incidence of HIV/AIDS in our society.
So WHY would anyone, including anti-gays, be in opposition to persons exercising their constitutional right to enter into a monogamist relationship, in the legal bonds "marriage", regardless of the fact that their partner may be of the same sex ?
Whatever one’s personal beliefs, in a true democracy, exclusivity cannot be used to define an “inalienable right", to borrow a term from the U.S. Constitution. Accordingly, homosexuals, as citizens of our Beloved Bahama Land, are created EQUALLY , and IMBUED with these “INALIENABLE RIGHTS" ... and, NO MAN or WOMAN, REGARDLESS OF COLOUR OR CREED, SHALL BE DEPRAVED OF THESE INALIENABLE RIGHTS... :hammer:
Lady_chippie 05-20-08, - 06:15 PM Thank you very much!!! on this note
We have said what we had to say and thats that, continue be happy!
I wish other members would disagree and move on more often (lol)
btw: I dont dislike gay people (for the record)
Bye .I got to pick up lil mama.
Brown Suga 05-20-08, - 06:21 PM We have said what we had to say and thats that, continue be happy!
I wish other members would disagree and move on more often (lol)
btw: I dont dislike gay people (for the record)
Bye .I got to pick up lil mama.
Chile Chippie I een blame u stop feeding Jabarri dem!
Little Fisherman 05-20-08, - 06:32 PM You know the strange thing about this whole gay issue that they themself understands thats in a marrige one plays the woman role and the other the male. Confuse people who needs help.
I am straight, but you lost me with this one. Where does it say members of a relationship should be fem and butch. People are People.
(Just peaking head out of the sand for a moment)
WinterGrace 05-20-08, - 06:33 PM You know the strange thing about this whole gay issue that they themself understands thats in a marrige one plays the woman role and the other the male. Confuse people who needs help.
that's a interesting point, I was watching a documentary with gay families on HBO and with most of the couples it's almost like they instinctively play the "mummy" and "daddy" roles
Vicky 05-20-08, - 06:53 PM Ahhhh, I gat a question. What law in the bahamas says that gay people can't get married. Heck it happens all the time here. It's just that usually one of the people getting married usually don't know they getting married to a gay person.
This whole thing both gays having the right to marry always does make me laugh, because they are not being denied the right to marry, but are being denied the right to marry someone of the same sex.
Now if it becomes a right to marry the same sex, where do we stop.
Whats to stop someone from marrying two people at the same time if everybody cool with it.
Or what would stop us from marrying animals, a lot of us like our dog more than people anyway.
Ahhh phooey, thats alls I'm saying on this subject.
you got an animal fetish hey??
If an animal can give consent who are you to argue.
WinterGrace 05-20-08, - 06:55 PM what do you think will happen??
CHAPTER III
PROTECTION OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
OF THE INDIVIDUAL
Fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual.
15.- Whereas every person in The Bahamas is entitled to the fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual, that is to say, has the right, whatever his race, place of origin, political opinions, colour, creed or sex, but subject to respect for the rights and freedoms of others and for the public interest, to each and all of the following, namely-
Protection form discrimination on the grounds of race, etc.
26.- (1) Subject to the provision of paragraph (4), (5) and (9) of this Article no law shall make any provision which is discriminatory either of itself or in its effect.
(2) Subject to the provisions of paragraphs (6), (9) and (10) of this Article, no person shall be treated in a discriminatory manner by any person acting by virtue of any written law or in the performance of the function of any public office or any public authority.
(3) In this Article, the expression "discriminatory" means affording different treatment to different person attributable wholly or mainly to their respective descriptions by race, place of origin political opinions colour or creed whereby person of one such description are subjected to disabilities or restrictions to which person of another such description are not made subject or are accorded privileges or advantages which are not accorded to persons of another such description.
(4) Paragraph (1) of this Article shall not apply to any law so far as that law makes provision-
a) for the appropriation of revenues or other funds of The Bahamas or for the imposition of taxation (including the levying of feed for the grant of licenses); or
b) with respect to the entry into or exclusion from, or the employment, engaging in any business or profession, movement of residence within, The Bahamas of persons who are not citizens of The Bahamas ; or
c) with respect to adoption, marriage, divorce, burial, devolution f property on death or other matters of personal law ; or
d) whereby persons of any such description as is mentioned in paragraph (3) for this Article may be subjected to any disability or restriction or may be accorded any privilege or advantage which having regard to its nature and to special circumstances pertaining to those persons or to persons of any other such description, is reasonably justifiable in a democratic society ; or
its only a matter of challenging and unwriten policy vs our Constitution.
ya'll will end up fighting constitutionally and if you do success then it will go to a referendum to define the marriage act and dog eat ya lunch twice if you take dis to the Bahamian people.
Vicky 05-20-08, - 07:00 PM Morning Cassy,
How does this compare to a gay man or woman?
What If I said "Why not talk about the older gay men and women of our society that are molesting younger males and females?"
You see you cannot take 2 wrongs to make it right, it wont work.
I cannot understand how you feel for I have never walked in your shoes but sometimes we cannot try to justify what is wrong by pointing out another wrong.
I say wrong because I personally feel it is wrong BUT then on the other hand I shall not bash you in anyway, thats your life and your judgement.
You must defend you and your point of views and why you feel it is right but you cannot do that by pointing fingers at other wrongs....
Here let me help we are talking of 2 consenting adults do not link pedifiles with homosexuality 2 very different things. BTW most GLBT hate pedifiles maybe more so than str8s.
SpamStopper 05-20-08, - 07:02 PM are they asking to be married under a Christian Religion, or just married?
Dont other religions also have marriage?
Do we recognize other religions in the Bahamas, or are we leaning towards fanaticism?
SpamStopper is not into the whole marriage thing himself though either way, but to each their own.
WinterGrace 05-20-08, - 07:03 PM Ahhhh, I gat a question. What law in the bahamas says that gay people can't get married. Heck it happens all the time here. It's just that usually one of the people getting married usually don't know they getting married to a gay person.
This whole thing both gays having the right to marry always does make me laugh, because they are not being denied the right to marry, but are being denied the right to marry someone of the same sex.
Now if it becomes a right to marry the same sex, where do we stop.
Whats to stop someone from marrying two people at the same time if everybody cool with it.
Or what would stop us from marrying animals, a lot of us like our dog more than people anyway.
Ahhh phooey, thats alls I'm saying on this subject.
you know all those polygamists will be like "wait a minute" next thing ya know you have polygamy with heterosexuals plus homosexuals
Vicky 05-20-08, - 07:06 PM Well, since they feel there is no impediment to gay marriage, why doesn't a same-sex couple test the law?
May be you did not get it Cassy and her fiancee are going to challange the policy..
Vicky 05-20-08, - 07:30 PM 2 reasons,
the gay community respects the concept of marriage far too much for couples to get married just to prove a point,
most people are too frightened of being ostracized, persecuted, harassed or killed by dysfunctional people who think it is their right to dictate how people should live with each other, or who think its their duty to save the world from 'the heathens' The Times They Are A Changing Peter Paul and Mary
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R0bFTq0Ivgk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yEeWsQ7LZqk&feature=related did you see the rainbow in this one..
The Times They Are A Changing
Come gather 'round people where ever you roam
And admit that the waters around you have grown
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone,
For the times they are a' changin'!
Come writers and critics who prophesy with your pen
And keep your eyes wide the chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon for the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who that it's namin'
For the loser now will be later to win
For the times they are a' changin'!
Come senators, congressmen please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside and it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a' changin'!
Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
And don't criticize what you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a' changin'!
The line it is drawn the curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a' changin'
Vicky 05-20-08, - 07:35 PM Statutory law is higher than common law. and it can always be reversed.
so therefore, for example in Burmah Oil Co. Ltd. v. Lord Advocate, the company demanded compensation for the British army's destruction of their oil plants. They got their compensation, but Parliament, as a result of this, passed the War Damages Act 1965, thereby reversing the common law.
The same can be done here.
Also, in case you didnt understand, this was passed in California. Unless (you know, without telling me) we've suddenly become a U.S. territory, this would be PERSUASIVE, but not binding.
Parliament can always amend the Act.
its only an un challanged policy that stop same sex marriage and thats about to challanged..
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