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chancellor
05-26-08, - 11:46 AM
Man dis busy work. School out so dey need ta create fake summer jobs for some kids so they come up wit a waste money project....

You know what's funny? If the PLP was doing this as the government, they would be "creating jobs" to bolster the economy.

If the FNM does it, it is called wasting money in a time when we need "fiscal prudence" in a downward economy.

Gotta love politics......

Lincoln
05-26-08, - 08:23 PM
You know what's funny? If the PLP was doing this as the government, they would be "creating jobs" to bolster the economy.
If the FNM does it, it is called wasting money in a time when we need "fiscal prudence" in a downward economy.
Gotta love politics......
This census was also done under the PLP. This has nothing to do with who is in power.


That makes sense.

What if they say that they need money to improve the effectiveness of the police force - even though their current operations are corrupt and inept. Would you say "No - if you can't organize and police with your current forces - how will you do it with more forces??"

Or if you get arrested and give the police your statement - then the district attorney asks you the same questions the police asked you, then the judge asks you the same questions that the police and the district attorney asked you - knowing full well that they have access to your police statement and don't need to ask you again. Would you be so brazen, and insolent, to tell the authorities that they don't need to ask you the same questions twice??

Do you except anyone else in any other capacity to comply rather than complain?? I'm sure you would. I don't care if the government is wasting my time. For me, as long as the government is doing something rather than nothing, I will comply. So when things go wrong - I know who to blame. When the government can't do as it feels is sufficient - I know who to blame. When Bahamians complain about a government in a coma - I know who to blame.

Thanks.

Sometimes its better to do nothing that to do something stupid. Are you a businessman? If so I hope you don't allow your staff to waste your money by doing the samething over and over while getting no results.
The key word here is efficiency. We have a right to demand efficiency from our governments.
Your 'improving the police force' statement above makes no sense. 'Improving effectiveness' does not equal adding more officers. Improving effectiveness has to do with proper managment and efficiency. would you condone the force sending two different set of police officers to a scene when only one is needed. Do you condone 15 BEC workers standing around a hole in the road watching one man work. All of them getting over time pay. When I joined the Police force in the early 90's they had this stupid police of making the entire police force work 12 hour shifts (without overtime pay, by the way). The result was that you had 50 officers and 6 cars for mobile patrol. Or you would have 100 foot patrol officers and only 10 radio sets and five firearms! The result was you would have a bunch of officers siting around playing checkers or dominos.

Like I said I complied with the census but I still think it is stupid if they don't use the info they have, or plan to get, efficiently.

chancellor
05-26-08, - 08:25 PM
This census was also done under the PLP. This has nothing to do with who is in power.


I wasn't insinuating that.......

Ting-um
05-27-08, - 12:12 AM
Like I said I complied with the census but I still think it is stupid if they don't use the info they have, or plan to get, efficiently.

I'm not going to get into all of that other B.S.

....but, I'm confused as to why you have an issue with this. I don't think anybody disagrees with you - obviously it is stupid *IF* they don't use the information. But it appears that you're attempting to call it stupid before giving them a chance.

Lincoln
05-27-08, - 05:15 AM
I'm not going to get into all of that other B.S.
....but, I'm confused as to why you have an issue with this. I don't think anybody disagrees with you - obviously it is stupid *IF* they don't use the information. But it appears that you're attempting to call it stupid before giving them a chance.
This is not the first time they did this census! They have been given chances already and the business world doesn't see any real results from it. Trust me if the business community saw any advantage from participating then they would be more than willing. I agree with the fact that more statistics can help with doing businessIt would help if for example you knew your market share because the census reports that there are 20 companies in your industry and they grossed 100 million per year. But the business community doesn't have access to the results.
I don't have an issue with it i have a questions about its use. Thats what people do in a free democracy: they question!

Ting-um
05-27-08, - 06:18 AM
Its unnecessary to speak to me like I'm fresh off the block - that's why I left that other BS alone.

I have no issue with questions - but I didn't see you questioning - I see more complaining than questioning.

But it appears you know more than I do - the initial post says that this is the *FIRST* census. You are saying it is *NOT* the first. It appears that you are unfamiliar with the purpose of a census, economic or any other. How many times have you seen a census performed once?? So even if they have this information somewhere else, the purpose of a census is to be performed again, then again, and then again. In many countries a census is performed every two years, some every five years and others perform a census, economic or other, every ten years.

And there's a big difference between providing information in order to operate and providing information after you have begun operations. Just read the first post. I'm certain when these businesses start up - there were no questions that went too far (per the initial post) - but now that they've begun operations they suddenly want to hide their information. The fact that they are willing to say the questions go to far should be more alarming than the government performing this census.

These aren't individuals - these are business entities. Obviously, business owners in the Bahamas are doing something to blur the lines between individual and entity.