The ones that want to join our culture,share our values,become as a Bahamian and not alienate themselves by incessently speaking Creole in our presence are "our people".The ones that defiantely keep only their culture and to themselves are not.:hammer:

agree

how bold wud we be if our living conditions was as bad as haiti and we all tried to go to da US and try to take ova? dats wat dey are practically doin nah, dey are buildin dere own towns and doin some kinds foolishness in da back of those bushes, didnt dey just had a haitian parade? who da heck approved dat? if sumtin isnt done, we will be da 2nd haiti, da only reason why ppl wudnt rush to get dem off da island is because dey do jobs we bahamians are to lazy to do and cant pay us to do.

But do we know if there really was an incident in Nassau Village?

If there was and it is related to this family, this would truly be a sad commnetary!

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So you trying to say you is only check for bahamians??
EE DAT WHA COUNTRIES DO? ANY BAHAMIAN WHO SAY DAT "DEM ONLY LOOKIN FER A BETTER LIFE" AS REASON FER NOT "PROTECTING" DIS NATION FROM DA HAITIAN INVASION IS A OUTRIGHT AZZ. . .NON PATRIOTIC FOOL!!!!

NO OTHER NATION IN DIS GOD GIVEN WORLD HAS SUCH AN "OPENDOOR" IMMIGRATION POLICY. . .INCLUDING HAITI!!!

AS FER ONLY CHECKING FER BAHAMIANS. . .YA DAMN RIGHT. . .BE DEM OF HAITIAN, AMERICAN, CANADIAN OR BRITISH. . .BUT ONLY FER BAHAMIANS!

FER "RIOSITY" SAKE! WHA IS YOUR POSITION ON EPA? ANSWER DAT FER ME AND WE GER TALK FURTHER!:cutie:

Xenophobia is alive and well in the Bahamas. Sad, very sad... This is one of the dilemmas in our modern-day Bahamian Society. We see the Haitians, who were forced to flee their country for economic survival, as less than human, as less than Bahamians. We sometimes believe that they are at the root of all our societal problems or we use them as scapegoats. Most Haitians are the down trodden, the marginalised and disenfranchised of our society. They take the menial jobs in our society, those with the lowest paid salaries, which not even the poorest Bahamians would do.
And one thing, we as Bahamians like to do, and that we like to boast... You can hear Bahamians boast about, “my Haitian gardener” or “my Haitian maid” ... but when these folks procreate and raise their children up in our society, then we are not prepared to regularise their status and accept them into our society. :taped2:
As long as we create ghettos, such as Nassau Village, where large portions of Haitian immigrants reside, basically, isolated from the remainder of Bahamian Society, unaccepted or unable to integrate into the greater society , we will continue to have clashes and riots, of the magnitude which took place in Nassau Village a few years ago. :hammer:
Well said...They are here to stay. We either assimilate them and make them feel wanted and appreciated(The Paper and Haitian/Bahamian) or we will continue to have violent clashes. We must remember that we once were strangers in a strange land. We were brought to this land at the point of a gun and many Haitians at the point of starvation. There is a better way and we must find it.

The Bahamian people are very hypocritical when it comes down to Haitians. We have them work and do menial jobs and then turn around, and blame the government for the amount of illegal Haitians!! We give them reasons to stay and then turn around and blame everyone but ourselves.

Many Haitians are here because of so many corrupt civil servants, who have sold our country down the pike. Until we have the courage to bring those people before the courts, the madness will continue. Bahamians are no better people than Haitians!! We are all God's children. The sooner we realized that, the better it will be for our countries peace and tranquility.

Xenophobia is alive and well in the Bahamas. Sad, very sad... This is one of the dilemmas in our modern-day Bahamian Society. We see the Haitians, who were forced to flee their country for economic survival, as less than human, as less than Bahamians. We sometimes believe that they are at the root of all our societal problems or we use them as scapegoats. Most Haitians are the down trodden, the marginalised and disenfranchised of our society. They take the menial jobs in our society, those with the lowest paid salaries, which not even the poorest Bahamians would do.
And one thing, we as Bahamians like to do, and that we like to boast... You can hear Bahamians boast about, “my Haitian gardener” or “my Haitian maid” ... but when these folks procreate and raise their children up in our society, then we are not prepared to regularise their status and accept them into our society. :taped2:
As long as we create ghettos, such as Nassau Village, where large portions of Haitian immigrants reside, basically, isolated from the remainder of Bahamian Society, unaccepted or unable to integrate into the greater society , we will continue to have clashes and riots, of the magnitude which took place in Nassau Village a few years ago. :hammer:
YOU NEED TA GET YA "ISOLATED ELITIST AND CONDECENDING AZZ" OUTTA DAT IVORY TOWER ER YOON AND STEP INTO DA REAL WORLD SOME MORE!!!

YOU ARE BEYOND ULTRUISTIC. . .YOU BORDER ON STUP!DITY MAN!!!

YOU NEED TA GO AND STUDY DA ROMANS. . .WHERE AND HOW DEM COME TA BE!!!! TWILL BE INTERESTING INDEED!!!:hammer:

Xenophobia is alive and well in the Bahamas. Sad, very sad... This is one of the dilemmas in our modern-day Bahamian Society. We see the Haitians, who were forced to flee their country for economic survival, as less than human, as less than Bahamians. We sometimes believe that they are at the root of all our societal problems or we use them as scapegoats. Most Haitians are the down trodden, the marginalised and disenfranchised of our society. They take the menial jobs in our society, those with the lowest paid salaries, which not even the poorest Bahamians would do.
And one thing, we as Bahamians like to do, and that we like to boast... You can hear Bahamians boast about, “my Haitian gardener” or “my Haitian maid” ... but when these folks procreate and raise their children up in our society, then we are not prepared to regularise their status and accept them into our society. :taped2:
As long as we create ghettos, such as Nassau Village, where large portions of Haitian immigrants reside, basically, isolated from the remainder of Bahamian Society, unaccepted or unable to integrate into the greater society , we will continue to have clashes and riots, of the magnitude which took place in Nassau Village a few years ago. :hammer:
Excuse me, but what Bahamas do you live in?

And Xenophobia? Take your blatant misuse of that word elsewhere! Look at the examples here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia and tell me if The Bahamas even remotely compares to those places.

The Bahamas is NOT a xenophobic nation. Whoever started tossing that word around a few years ago in an attempt to describe the Haitian situation here in The Bahamas is an idiot!

Bahamians have allowed Haitians to come here to live for the past few decades largely unhindered. We have fed them, clothed them, educated them, healed them, worked alongside them, let them have their children, and even allowed them to build entire villages outside of our housing laws. Not to mention the fact that at present we have at least three generations deep of Bahamians of Haitian descent. Again I ask, what Bahamas are you living in?

They are not the "downtrodden" because of Bahamians. They are the "downtrodden" because of their own people who exploit their illegality and their desperation. Get the story right! If they were coming here legally they would be able to demand proper payment for their services. They also would be able to properly rent legal housing as they would not need to hide from law officials. And lastly, if they were going through the proper immigration channels they would not have to make the desperate choice to do the grunt work of this society.

When things are done the RIGHT way, people empower themselves. However, when they choose to do things the underhanded way by sneaking into the country and openly breaking our immigration laws, they open the door for their own misfortune and exploitation!

Your assertion that Bahamians create ghettos for Haitians is so incorrect that I really wonder if you have ever been in the areas of which you speak. As I said earlier, their illegality is what forces them to be exploited by their own: Firstly, to find thousands of dollars to get here (with a big risk of getting caught). Secondly, having to live in substandard conditions until their papers come through. Thirdly, to be in debt to those within their own society, who openly exploit their desperation. Fourthly, facing relative ambivalence as Bahamians have become frustrated at the constant breaking of our immigration/housing laws and the misuse of our educational/health systems. And finally, subjecting their children to stunted opportunities because of their inability to work until they are regularized, which is not a guaranteed process like most believe it is.

Get a clue and get the facts!

Well said...They are here to stay. We either assimilate them and make them feel wanted and appreciated(The Paper and Haitian/Bahamian) or we will continue to have violent clashes. We must remember that we once were strangers in a strange land. We were brought to this land at the point of a gun and many Haitians at the point of starvation. There is a better way and we must find it.
The Bahamian people are very hypocritical when it comes down to Haitians. We have them work and do menial jobs and then turn around, and blame the government for the amount of illegal Haitians!! We give them reasons to stay and then turn around and blame everyone but ourselves.
Many Haitians are here because of so many corrupt civil servants, who have sold our country down the pike. Until we have the courage to bring those people before the courts, the madness will continue. Bahamians are no better people than Haitians!! We are all God's children. The sooner we realized that, the better it will be for our countries peace and tranquility.
Pharoah, take my advice and don't support that nonsense. Haitians get more support within our communities than most dare to realize. The problem is with SOME members of today's generation who, instead of appreciating genuine Bahamian hospitality like those who came before, now expect to be handed a better life on a silver platter without working for it. Some members of the newer generations even look at Bahamians with contempt and disdain. They falsely believe that the scenarios that their fathers and grandfathers lived in were forced upon them, when all that their predecessors were doing is sacrificing and skimping to save ever penny to ensure that today's generation had every opportunity that they now have.

Read what I wrote in response to Truth hurts, who obviously doesn't know the facts of how deep this Haitian situation goes.

Don't fall for the blatant misinformation that Truth Hurts is spreading. The History of Haitians in the Bahamas is getting more warped every single day and the younger generations are building up more and more resentment because of this misinformation. The facts need to be told!

But do we know if there really was an incident in Nassau Village?
If there was and it is related to this family, this would truly be a sad commnetary!

Yes, there was an incident in Nassau Village shortly aftere 9pm and it was related to the those troublemakers' whose citizenship/ residency status should have been revoked after the first riot.

Yes, there was an incident in Nassau Village shortly aftere 9pm and it was related to the those troublemakers' whose citizenship/ residency status should have been revoked after the first riot.



The whole family should have been deported; that is what the swiss do...

Excuse me, but what Bahamas do you live in?
And Xenophobia? Take your blatant misuse of that word elsewhere! Look at the examples here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia and tell me if The Bahamas even remotely compares to those places.

The Bahamas is NOT a xenophobic nation. Whoever started tossing that word around a few years ago in an attempt to describe the Haitian situation here in The Bahamas is an idiot!
Bahamians have allowed Haitians to come here to live for the past few decades largely unhindered. We have fed them, clothed them, educated them, healed them, worked alongside them, let them have their children, and even allowed them to build entire villages outside of our housing laws. Not to mention the fact that at present we have at least three generations deep of Bahamians of Haitian descent. Again I ask, what Bahamas are you living in?
They are not the "downtrodden" because of Bahamians. They are the "downtrodden" because of their own people who exploit their illegality and their desperation. Get the story right! If they were coming here legally they would be able to demand proper payment for their services. They also would be able to properly rent legal housing as they would not need to hide from law officials. And lastly, if they were going through the proper immigration channels they would not have to make the desperate choice to do the grunt work of this society.
When things are done the RIGHT way, people empower themselves. However, when they choose to do things the underhanded way by sneaking into the country and openly breaking our immigration laws, they open the door for their own misfortune and exploitation!

Your assertion that Bahamians create ghettos for Haitians is so incorrect that I really wonder if you have ever been in the areas of which you speak. As I said earlier, their illegality is what forces them to be exploited by their own: Firstly, to find thousands of dollars to get here (with a big risk of getting caught). Secondly, having to live in substandard conditions until their papers come through. Thirdly, to be in debt to those within their own society, who openly exploit their desperation. Fourthly, facing relative ambivalence as Bahamians have become frustrated at the constant breaking of our immigration/housing laws and the misuse of our educational/health systems. And finally, subjecting their children to stunted opportunities because of their inability to work until they are regularized, which is not a guaranteed process like most believe it is.
Get a clue and get the facts!

Yorick, based on the wikipedia eg. it appears that we are not far from DR in out actions towards Haitians. Do we Bahamians ever give Haitians anything or do we have them work like dogs for the few pennies we pay them? Three generations deep of Bahamians of Haitians decent and still marginalized..... I'm not saying we don't have a problem, but I fear that the growing resentment & blatant hatred on both sides going to blow up soon soon.

Is it time to have a massive Haitian round up and ship dey illegal a** back to Haiti?

Generally we all have some idea of what the problems are - but possible solutions? Are we headed in the right direction?

Yorick, based on the wikipedia eg. it appears that we are not far from DR in out actions towards Haitians. NO. Not even close...

Do Bahamians:

- lynch Haitians? NO!

- burn homes of suspected Haitians to the ground? NO!

- have police roundups of "Haitian looking" people conducted on a regular basis? NO, we perform strategic illegal immigration exercises which are based on solid information that illegal immigrants are present in an area. This is done in this way so as to not waste government funds needlessly.

- deny Haitians birth certificates, medical care, education and social services? NO!

-Do we have "profound and entrenched" racism at all levels of Bahamian society? NO. We do have some instances of racism (every society does), but not a profound amount. Why? Because a reasonable percentage of the people you see every day are of Haitian descent. They just don't admit it or have been properly integrated.

Your statement is incorrect. The Bahamas is not like the Dominican Republic.

Do we Bahamians ever give Haitians anything or do we have them work like dogs for the few pennies we pay them?No one forces anyone to work like a dog. I mentioned earlier the reasons why some of these immigrants are exploited, many times by their own people.


Three generations deep of Bahamians of Haitians decent and still marginalized..See, this is exactly how misinformation in this society gets to be such common opinion. The "marginalization" of which you speak is due to these person's prevailing illegality. Those who are illegal marginalize themselves. Of course one is not going to integrate themselves into a society when they are blatantly illegal!

These misperceptions of wrongdoing need to be dealt with and everyone should take heed to realize that there is a price to pay for being illegal in any society. Haitians can eliminate all of these perceived wrongdoings if they simply would follow the rule of law and get legal papers before they hit these shores. Then they can be properly protected by the laws of this Bahamas. How can an illegal immigrant go to the police/labour board and report a crime against them when he/she is not even supposed to be here?


I fear that the growing resentment & blatant hatred on both sides going to blow up soon soon.It will. The type of attitude that is being exemplified by groups who are now hitting these shores will ensure that fact.

This situation should have not been allowed to get to this point and needs to be addressed in the public domain in a single collective act. We will have to bring in US military and we will have a lot of pissed off people for a while, but this is what we need to do, right now. Every illegal shanty town needs to be bulldozed, making sure that the people have been notified in sufficient time that they need to move beforehand. The weapons caches that have been stockpiled in these places thus far of grenades, assault rifles, bullet proof vests and other weaponry then need to be seized. The defense force then needs to properly "reinforce" and protect our borders and those who are illegal need to be given time and the means to return to Haiti.

These are some of the steps that need to be taken or else this society will implode. If one family can cause mayhem in a community in our capital, imagine what can be done on other islands. This is an extremely delicate matter, but it's time to mash some corns.

Xenophobia is alive and well in the Bahamas. Sad, very sad... This is one of the dilemmas in our modern-day Bahamian Society. We see the Haitians, who were forced to flee their country for economic survival, as less than human, as less than Bahamians. We sometimes believe that they are at the root of all our societal problems or we use them as scapegoats. Most Haitians are the down trodden, the marginalised and disenfranchised of our society. They take the menial jobs in our society, those with the lowest paid salaries, which not even the poorest Bahamians would do.
And one thing, we as Bahamians like to do, and that we like to boast... You can hear Bahamians boast about, “my Haitian gardener” or “my Haitian maid” ... but when these folks procreate and raise their children up in our society, then we are not prepared to regularise their status and accept them into our society. :taped2:
As long as we create ghettos, such as Nassau Village, where large portions of Haitian immigrants reside, basically, isolated from the remainder of Bahamian Society, unaccepted or unable to integrate into the greater society , we will continue to have clashes and riots, of the magnitude which took place in Nassau Village a few years ago. :hammer:


Not all haitians are poor and humble, there are two types of haitian culture here in the Bahamas today.1. the ones that are truely looking for a better way of life who will take the maids and gardening jobs. 2. The younger breed that is in volve in drugs and crime for savival.This type don't come on no riggeity boat and when they come they come with a pocket full of money.

They are the 1s that are influeincing the young 1s that were born here in Bahamas. Another thing I think i should mention, apart of my work takes me into clients home, and i have been to several homes of the spanish speaking and haitians and I have seen that those groups of people meeting to each other homes and making plans for whatever.

We as Bahamians are in our own lil world, taking what we can get and not checking for the other Bahamian. 1 of these days we are going to wakeup and find we living in another Bahamas...The signs are here already..WAKEUP BAHAMAS.

Not all haitians are poor and humble, there are two types of haitian culture here in the Bahamas today.1. the ones that are truely looking for a better way of life who will take the maids and gardening jobs. 2. The younger breed that is in volve in drugs and crime for savival.This type don't come on no riggeity boat and when they come they come with a pocket full of money.
They are the 1s that are influeincing the young 1s that were born here in Bahamas. Another thing I think i should mention, apart of my work takes me into clients home, and i have been to several homes of the spanish speaking and haitians and I have seen that those groups of people meeting to each other homes and making plans for whatever.
We as Bahamians are in our own lil world, taking what we can get and not checking for the other Bahamian. 1 of these days we are going to wakeup and find we living in another Bahamas...The signs are here already..WAKEUP BAHAMAS.
To late the revolution has allready began.

The ones that want to join our culture,share our values,become as a Bahamian and not alienate themselves by incessently speaking Creole in our presence are "our people".The ones that defiantely keep only their culture and to themselves are not.:hammer:

They didnt alienate themselves from us, bahamians alienated themselves from haitians from the beginning.

They didnt alienate themselves from us, bahamians alienated themselves from haitians from the beginning.
:dgi::dgi::dgi::dgi::dgi: ?????? Bahamians dont speaketh creole, since they come to the bahamas they should learn the language here. How can you say bahamians alienate when its mainly due to many of them not being able to communicate properly in English or bahamianese