Perhaps! But, bear in mind Bahamians use the term illegal very loosely; generally meaning 'w/ accent'!
Don't get catch with a stray blow trying to get into t'ings, ya here?

A point was made several times accusing Bahamians in general of hiring illegal immigrants. I countered by saying that in many instances those hired persons actually have permits (obtained by whatever means) and thus are legal. So for the most part Bahamian employers do NOT hire illegal immigrants.


No need to be prejudice against Haitians... while ignoring others. See this is the nonsense that I don't like. People like you get so distracted and accusatory when the illegal immigration situation comes up. Right now the majority of our illegal immigration challenges come from Haiti. This is fact. No one is being prejudiced against them. As this country deals with illegal immigration, they are going to face the brunt of the effort, simply due to their numbers alone. Use your logic.

With that said it must be obvious to you that no other group of immigrants presents such a challenge to this nation in terms of health, education and government resources OR have presented the challenge of thousands of their children having to be processed and naturalized after the age of 18.

I must say that I do know a few white expats who have had their behinds shipped out of this country for not having their permits and other requirements up to date. Guess what though, they do apply the proper way, they don't live in illegal houses and they often don't even bother with government clinics or education. Their resource footprint is minimal.

And don't you deny that the hypocrites exists and play a major role in this immigration mess! Get your mind right please. You're just confusing the issue without adding any substance to it. Without illegal immigration there would be no one to hire. Eliminate the source.

Gosh, what about those Bahamians that force Haitians overboard in da middle of the ocean, to swim to land --- they my Bahamian peeps; but that is CRIMINAL!Of course it is criminal, but it is quite interesting how you neglect the fact that the title of Bahamian doesn't necessarily mean "Bahamian", if you get my drift.

Many of us Bahamians are being turned against each other because we forget to realize that we have SOME "Bahamians" who are wrapped up in this situation. They wear our faces, they have our nationality, but they do not share our loyalty to this nation of The Bahamas.

Nuff said.

Don't get catch with a stray blow trying to get into t'ings, ya here?

See this is the nonsense that I don't like. People like you get so distracted and accusatory when the illegal immigration situation comes up. ...
Of course it is criminal, but it is quite interesting how you neglect the fact that the title of Bahamian doesn't necessarily mean "Bahamian", if you get my drift.

None of my words intended to 'accuse'... read on the line ONLY.


Many of us Bahamians are being turned against each other because we forget to realize that we have SOME "Bahamians" who are wrapped up in this situation. They wear our faces, they have our nationality, but they do not share our loyalty to this nation of The Bahamas.

Of course I get your drift! Another example of what I group under MANAGEMENT.

I try to get you to see a bigger picture, understand that many of the proposed methods only represent a chipping of the iceburg --- I failed. :(

I'm not giving up though...

I try to get you to see a bigger picture, understand that many of the proposed methods only represent a chipping of the iceburg --- I failed. :(
I'm not giving up though...Trust me. I see the bigger picture. Don't mistake my focus on certain aspects of this illegal immigration situation as unawareness of the complete story.

As you can see by the roundabout and scattered way that Truth Hurts presented his side of this debate, you can only imagine how much more so it would be if we threw everything else involved into the mix.

In this case, let's concentrate on what we have here in this thread. Don't complicate it.

We haven't even dealt with the targeted aspects of this thread yet. So far we have accusations against Bahamians, unnecessary history lessons, misinformation about "statelessness", race paranoia, and denial of the role played by immigrants in recent drug/gun trade.

I'm waiting to see what else will be used as "pertinent information".

... Don't complicate it...

*sigh* Men & women process differently.... we (women) have an amazing ability to deconstruct several issues 'all at once'.... so I'm told... it's all good. More Bahamians need to speak out; from the heart ...

*sigh* Men & women process differently.... we (women) have an amazing ability to deconstruct several issues 'all at once'.... so I'm told... it's all good. More Bahamians need to speak out; from the heart ...The simplification of the issue isn't for me. I'm actually trying to prevent this discussion from becoming a copy and paste fest. T'is all.

If you want to complicate it and give more room for useless information being passed of as relevant to this discussion, then go ahead. This simplification has nothing to do with processing capabilities, which is particularly ironic coming from someone who didn't want to read more than a few paragraphs.

That's your opinion. At this point you're just a propagandist, trying to collect information from scattered and incorrect/outdated sources and misinterpreting them to suit your viewpoint. Nothing more.
Do you even know what a “propagandist” is? My views, unlike the perverse opinions of a “mis-educated negro”, are strictly my own.

Bahamian businessmen who hire illegal immigrants are vastly in the minority. Your inclusion of them in this discussion is merely to convolute the issue.
My question of your “warped” opinion is this: If the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not hired by Bahamian Businessman, then WHO in our country are hiring them?

“Convolute the issue?” This is germane to the issue. And you have the audacity to call me a “propagandist?”

No. I am branding you and you alone as a traitor and un-Bahamian to boot.
Do you even know what a traitor is? These are very serious allegations, and I demand that you “cease and desist” with these idiotic accusations.

As a moderator, you should be encouraging civil discourse, not creating an antagonistic environment whenever other members disagree with you. IMO, this is an abuse of your authority.

What are you defending? Tell me truthfully. The situation at hand is one that you can throw all kinds of history and black connections at, but we are facing a unique reality at present - one that would not exist if present day Caribbean blacks would respect and honor the fact that we cannot and should not bend immigration laws to suit our own purposes.
I challenge you to re-print anything I wrote that even remotely suggested such nonsense. Once again, you have distorted my views, while promoting your “fear mongering” and “xenophobic” viewpoints.

To clarify my views, I had stated that Haiti requires the involvement of CARICOM and other international players to find a permanent solution to its present day predicament, that would result in its sustainable re-development, in order to stabilise the country. Only when this occurs, could we begain to stem the tide of Haitians fleeing the devastation in their homeland, for a better life elsewhere.

Even in your deluded opinions, you made inferences to the Haitian people being forced to act in an anomalous fashion in the face of the desolation in their country.

If you honestly cannot understand why it is imperative to crack down on and stop illegal immigration at this point, then nothing I will say will matter. Your vision of this country is impaired, biased or probably cannot reach further than a few years at a time.
I have never advocated against the enforcement of our immigration laws, only that they should be enforced judiciously and humanely. We must also be willing to deal with the reality of the corruption in our society that has significantly contributed to the Haitian Dilemma we face today.

My vision is “impaired and biased”? I ask, once again, have you ever served in any of our nation’s security forces? I DID, and had dealt with the Haitian Dilemma fist hand. IMO, until you do, you are not in any position to question my experiential observations of this vexing national problem.

In the last decade, when the Defence Force first started intercepting Illegal Haitian migrants in our archipelago, they were taken on board a Defence Force Vessel and the unseaworthy Haitian sloop was destroyed at sea, similar to the protocol followed by the U.S. Coast Guard. Then, without explanation, our Marines were ordered to tow these vessels to Coral Harbour.

Later, it was discovered that many of these Haitian boats were owned by prominent Bahamians, one of whom is alleged to have been a Representative in the House of Assembly. Can you imagine how demoralising this was for our Marines who had to tend to these unseaworthy vessels at Coral Harbour until a court order was issued to either release them to their rightful owner or destroy them? At one point there were so many Haitian sloops at Coral Harbour it looked more like a Haitian port, rather than a naval base. Some of our Marines contracted skin rashes due to the unsanitary conditions of these vessels, not to mention possible exposure to Tuberculosis.

If you open your eyes, which, IMO, are “wide shut”, you would see that mere “immigration round ups are insufficient.” FACT: our archipelago is almost 100,000 square miles, about as vast as the Caribbean Sea. Patrolling it is a daunting task for our overburdened, underpaid, ill-equipped, and relatively unappreciated small navy. FACT: many of the illegal Haitians who come to the Bahamas have been repatriated several times before and continue to return, illegally. Some have returned as much as ten times.

Obviously, our present approach to the problem is inadequate, but is costing the Bahamian Public millions of dollars. There is no finger printing of illegal immigrants to keep records of who has been captured and repatriated. Moreover, we do not even take foot prints of new born babies or DNA samples, to avoid fraudulent sales of birth certificates; this presents itself as problem when individuals apply for citizenship.

...May I also repeat yet again the words of the Haitian ambassador who proclaimed that despite the fact that any and all persons who are born to Haitian parents are free to apply for and get their Haitian passport, no one hardly ever does - mostly because of the perception that it will hurt their chances of Bahamian citizenship.

Put it like this. Anyone who declares that they are "stateless" wants to be. They have a choice of picking up a Haitian passport anytime they please.
I have called and had spoken to an official at the Haitian Embassy; this is TRUE, but the process is not as simple as you make it sound. And, even with a Haitian Passport, this does not preclude an individual, who is born here, from renouncing his Haitian status and applying for Bahamian Citizenship, within that small window period, at age eighteen, or within the twelve months following, in accordance with the Bahamian Constitution.

...Continuing on, we do not have time to revisit shared history and all the rest. This situation is something that is a growing challenge each and every day as more kids of foreign parents are born in this nation. The ratio of births is presently in their favor, let's not forget and thus the face of the Bahamas is changing, literally and figuratively.

If you want to hand over your country to persons who merely want to use it as a stepping stone to get to the US, that's your prerogative. Know that such a strategy and our allowance of this abuse of our immigration systems to take place will have detrimental political, social and economical effects.
These are your distorted views. I challenge you to return to your encyclopaedia and re-examine the term “xenophobia”, as your thoughts here are typical of that description.

You HAVE endorsed it - by your attempted deflection of the arguments which I have presented here, your defense of those videos, and your repeated accusations that Bahamians are the cause of this immigration situation. You have brought so many other side topics into a clear argument against illegal immigration that in a way you have aligned yourself squarely in defense of it.
Mr. Moderator, your arrogance is unbecoming and your sense of reasoning leaves a lot to be desired. Obviously, on a public forum opinions will differ. However, your resolve to vilify me, calling my presentations "an indictment of the Bahamian people", and alleging that I am "an advocate for illegal Haitian Migration", simply because our views differ, is preposterous and beyond comprehension. My views, throughout this discussion, has been consistent, pragmatic and meticulous, but neither have I stated nor implied that I supported illegal Haitian Immigration.
Oh, that makes illegal immigration okay I guess. Let's open up the borders, shall we? <sarcasm off>
No, this does not make it okay, but if we are to formulate realistic long-term solutions, we must first understand the root of the problem.

In my extensive leadership training abroad, I was taught that a fundamental understanding of the antecedents is important in the process of “problem solving”, especially when the goal is to formulate effective long-term solutions.

My experience at home, here in the Bahamas, when it comes to problem solving, we tend to be “reactive,” rather than “proactive”. The “proactive” approach requires a lot more work, research, and planning, with the goal to either alleviate the problem and/or putting measures in place to avoid its occurrence or recurrence. Conversely, the “reactive” approach is usually an intermediate or temporary solution and tends not have a long-term impact.

You keep missing the clear point here. Regardless of whatever shared history we may have, the reality is that this Commonwealth of The Bahamas cannot maintain the present levels of immigration by those from certain territories.
You are preaching to the chorus...

What don't you understand about that? What don't you understand about the challenges that illegal immigration has brought upon this country? Haitians are great people. Fine. But the fact is that our focus, as BAHAMIANS, needs to be THE BAHAMAS. When we see a situation that adds extraneous stress to our lives, we should be sure to deal with it accordingly and expeditiously. There is nothing wrong with maintaining the integrity of one's borders or implementing policies that ensure our nation's stability!
I believe I am uniquely aware and understand the challenges far more than you can imagine, as I was a leader in our nation’s security forces, with international exposure and training. Again, we do not have any disagreements here, what we seem to disagree on is methodologies, or how we should go about “expeditiously” dealing with the problem.

What purpose does this serve to this conversation. Who doesn't know this? Really now..
Do not be so pig-headed. There may be some members of BI who honestly do not know about these facts. Again, as I had stressed, we must study the antecedents in order to come up with viable solutions.

When I was a lad, my Dad was a young police officer who participated in the mass round up of illegal Haitians. Hundreds of Haitian temporarily held at in the old RAF aeroplane hangar at Oats Field. Today, we may have a modern Detention Centre, off Carmichael Road, but the same old problem.

Again, when I was a lad, I can vividly remember an altercation between Mr. Mack McKinsey, the sexton of the Anglican Cathedral in Town, and a Haitian woman at the church. Apparently, she had paid Mr. McKinsey a significant amount of money to “get her papers straight” at immigration.

We Bahamians must acknowledge our complacency or direct involvement over the years in the illegal Haitian Immigrant problem.

So what is the point of the rest of your arguments?
I have succinctly stated my views throughout these discussions. If you have a specific question, in this regard, I would be happy to answer you, or send me a PM.

What have I done for this topic? I've obviously made you jump from pillar to post to find information that is already well-known by those of us who actually keep aware of international issues. Do not flatter yourself, and your arrogance, again, is unbecoming.

Stealing my lines eh? I said the same thing to you, but you decided to take a geopolitical jaunt around the region and the internet "copying and pasting" as you went. You tried hard in your attempt to provide information and then use that provision to validate your position on this matter. In the end, you still agree with me that illegal immigration must be stemmed/ prevented.
Once again, DO NOT FLATTER YOURSELF; My views have not changed, they are consistent throughout this discussion.

Of course, defend your racist ideology. Blame the white man.
These are your word, Mr. Moderator, NOT MINE. Do not distort my position. However, I can see that the doctrine of “divide and conquer” is alive and well, even today...

Again, all according to your opinion. This all is beginning to be quite humorous to me. You didn't make any ground in that long tirade of yours, because things are still the same.
At the end of the day, that is all we can bring to this forum, Mr. Moderator, OUR OPINION. And, it is permissible to agree or disagree, of course.

I am saddened that you find humour in my contributions, which includes my first hand experiences and observations as a member of our nation’s security forces. IMO, the issue of the Haitian Dilemma is a serious one.

Moreover, I believe, the jury is still out, as time will surely tell which approach is the most effective, “meaningful discussions on long-term solutions” or “long-winded xenophobic posturing in defence of the present approach”, which has failed miserably...

Do you even know what a “propagandist” is? My views, unlike the perverse opinions of a “mis-educated negro”, are strictly my own. Call me a "mis-educated negro" if you wish, but it only shows your racist tendencies and willingness to label someone exclusively by their race. You seem able to do little else than regurgitate black power BS. That's sad.

If the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not hired by Bahamian Businessman, then WHO in our country are hiring them?
You obviously didn't read my point pertaining to this and must not live in the Bahamas. You act as if Haitians don't own businesses here in this country and neither are you familiar with how the structure of illegal immigration up until recently allowed persons to come "off of the boat" and be legal in a very short period of time. You're clueless.

Do you even know what a traitor is? These are very serious allegations, and I demand that you “cease and desist” with these idiotic accusations. Yes, you are one. You attempt to lend credibility to matters that would hurt this nation in the long term and that is traitorous, clear and simple.

As a moderator, you should be encouraging civil discourse, not creating an antagonistic environment whenever other members disagree with you. IMO, this is an abuse of your authority. Too bad what you think. You give and I'll come right back at you. Civil discourse with you is not possible, so get over yourself and stop whining.

I challenge you to re-print anything I wrote that even remotely suggested such nonsense. Once again, you have distorted my views, while promoting your “fear mongering” and “xenophobic” viewpoints. Whatever...even your accusations of "fear mongering" and "xenophobia" don't matter anymore as they are just instances of your nasty attitude coming to the surface. You're not a good person and it shows.

To clarify my views, I had stated that Haiti requires the involvement of CARICOM and other international players to find a permanent solution to its present day predicament, that would result in its sustainable re-development, in order to stabilise the country. Only when this occurs, could we begain to stem the tide of Haitians fleeing the devastation in their homeland, for a better life elsewhere.The only people who can help Haiti are HAITIANS. We blacks need to stop giving off the perception that we are the beggars of the world and get our collective acts together.

No matter how much money they throw at Haiti, things will remain the same until the people there decide to act right. Besides, there are many millionaires in that nation. How come those persons are not helping their own? Answer that.

If you open your eyes, which, IMO, are “wide shut”, you would see that mere “immigration round ups are insufficient.” FACT: our archipelago is almost 100,000 square miles, about as vast as the Caribbean Sea. Patrolling it is a daunting task for our overburdened, underpaid, ill-equipped, and relatively unappreciated small navy. FACT: many of the illegal Haitians who come to the Bahamas have been repatriated several times before and continue to return, illegally. Some have returned as much as ten times. Then it is clear that those persons have a devastating lack of respect for the laws of this nation of The Bahamas. Perhaps the moratorium should be made indefinite to show that The Bahamas government is serious about this illegal immigration situation. A mandate should also be legislated that only a certain percentage of persons would be eligible each year for naturalization. When an opportunity is abused, it needs to either be taken away completely or minimized.

I have called and had spoken to an official at the Haitian Embassy; this is TRUE, but the process is not as simple as you make it sound. And, even with a Haitian Passport, this does not preclude an individual, who is born here, from renouncing his Haitian status and applying for Bahamian Citizenship, within that small window period, at age eighteen, or within the twelve months following, in accordance with the Bahamian Constitution. Finally... an admittance that "statelessness" is only by choice. Also, I never stated that they didn't have the right to apply for citizenship at 18. I merely stated that they are not guaranteed to get it.


These are your distorted views. I challenge you to return to your encyclopaedia and re-examine the term “xenophobia”, as your thoughts here are typical of that description. Whatever, man. Your attempts to put me in your xenophobia box is getting old.

However, your resolve to vilify me, calling my presentations an indictment of the Bahamian people, and alleging that I am an advocate for illegal Haitian Migration, simply because our views differ, is preposterous and beyond comprehension. My views, throughout this discussion, has been consistent, pragmatic and meticulous, but never have I supported illegal Haitian Immigration. [/B]You do not support it directly, but nevertheless there is an indirect bias on your part for certain aspects that stem from illegal immigration and yes, you have indicted the Bahamian people as being responsible for this immigration situation. Your view in some instances was akin to putting the responsibility for a crime on the victim (The Bahamas and Bahamians), while giving numerous excuses for the perpetrator of the crime (illegal immigrants).


No, this does not make it okay, but if we are to formulate realistic long-term solutions, we must first understand the root of the problem.
In my extensive leadership training abroad, I was taught that a fundamental understanding of the antecedents is important in the process of “problem solving”, especially when the goal is to come up with effective long-term solutions. What is there to understand? Illegal immigration and squatting is not permitted under the laws of this Commonwealth of the Bahamas. Either people understand those simple rules or they WILL face the consequences. The antecedents have nothing to do with openly and disrespectfully breaking the law of a foreign nation. The end does NOT justify the means.


My experience at home, here in the Bahamas, when it comes to problem solving, we tend to be “reactive,” rather than “proactive”. The “proactive” approach calls for a lot more work, research and planning, with the goal to either eliminate the problem altogether and/or putting measures in place to avoid its occurrence or recurrence. Conversely, the “reactive” approach is usually an intermediate or temporary solution and tends not to be long-term. The proactive solution is being implemented at present - a moratorium on the approval of new permits. Blatant abuse of The Bahamas' immigration systems has taken place by certain groups, so it is only good strategy to eliminate the ability for abuse by shutting the entire system down until it is repaired and security holes have been patched. Hopefully, when the system starts again, another measure will be implemented that the person must show that they came here legally, have a legal place to live and have registered with proper authorities according to asylum laws.


IMO, the issue of the Haitian Dilemma is a serious one.Yes, a serious one that has little to do with the Bahamian people.

It is up to the citizens of every nation to fix the problems within their own nation. It is amazing that we have so many people who pick up their flag and parade it around in a this, a foreign country, but when you ask them if they would go back and actively help the situation in Haiti, they go silent or make excuses.

Black communities all over the world need to pull up our socks and stop being a burden upon others. WE decide our future and WE decide how successful our nation is or isn't. Running away from our problems DOES NOT HELP. On one hand we speak about black strength and pride and how Haiti was the first free Black nation, but then in the next breath we speak about how they need help from everyone (Caricom, the US, the UN, et al). Where'd the strength go? Where is their collective resolve to say: "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! LET'S FIX THIS AND BE DONE WITH SUFFERING, HUNGER AND POVERTY!"

Either they admit their weakness and work towards being strong OR show their strength by fixing the situation.

“meaningful discussions on long-term solutions” or “long-winded xenophobic posturing in defence of the present approach” which has failed miserably... [/B]Whatever. You can give all of the ideas you have, but ACTION on the part of Haitian citizens in Haiti is the only thing that will solve this tragedy. They have to fix this, they have to take responsibility and they have to want it bad enough to keep whatever solution they decide to hold onto going...without deserting it and without pointing fingers at others.

Your attempted explanation of a technicality fades in the face of the words of the Haitian ambassador who was featured in an interview on this topic and stated unequivocally that kids born to Haitian parents are not "stateless".

He declared with no hesitation that they can get their Haitian passports without fail upon their parents notifying and applying to the Embassy.

That alone validates that they are recognized as Haitian citizens. Truth Hurts is quoting inaccuracies. Reality is very different than the "academic paper" presented. The provisions discussed within did not address the exceptions that exist. And they do.

I do not take issue with the remarks made by the Haitian Ambassadaor - however, you must realise his remarks do not render the Convention unrealistic...His remarks point out the potential for haitians to obtain passports. Therefore, the fact remains, as long as they are without such passport/citizenship, and are not officially considered citizens of any country, they will be stateless...such status ceases upon receipt of proper documentation.

The simplification of the issue isn't for me. I'm actually trying to prevent this discussion from becoming a copy and paste fest. T'is all.

If you want to complicate it and give more room for useless information being passed of as relevant to this discussion, then go ahead. This simplification has nothing to do with processing capabilities, which is particularly ironic coming from someone who didn't want to read more than a few paragraphs.

Thou alone contain the wells of info. ---- carry on sma'tly....:cutie:

if ya ewa find a topic suited fa da simple...beam me up Scottie ... :cutie:

Therefore, the fact remains, as long as they are without such passport/citizenship, and are not officially considered citizens of any country, they will be stateless...such status ceases upon receipt of proper documentation.And as confirmed by Truth Hurts' call to the embassy, they can receive their Haitian Passports anytime that they or their parents apply for it.

Therefore, the status of "Stateless" is by choice. It cannot be used any longer as a point for sympathy or an excuse for not having proper identification.

Hopefully this will put a dent in the misinformation being touted around these parts that these persons belong to no country. They officially belong to Haiti, until they decide at the age of eighteen to apply for Bahamian citizenship, which they have the right to apply for, but with no guarantee that they will get it.

And as confirmed by Truth Hurts' call to the embassy, they can receive their Haitian Passports anytime that they or their parents apply for it.

Therefore, the status of "Stateless" is by choice. It cannot be used any longer as a point for sympathy or an excuse for not having proper identification.

Hopefully this will put a dent in the misinformation being touted around these parts that these persons belong to no country. They officially belong to Haiti, until they decide at the age of eighteen to apply for Bahamian citizenship, which they have the right to apply for, but with no guarantee that they will get it.
Why do you twist the information, may I suggest that you read exactly what the Bahamian Constitution says in regards to this, again, I offer the following link:

http://www.bahamas.gov.bs/bahamasweb/aboutthegovernment.nsf/Subjects/The+Constitution+of+the+Bahamas

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE
COMMONWEALTH OF THE BAHAMAS
CHAPTER II
CITIZENSHIP


7. (1) A person born in The Bahamas after 9th July 1973 neither of whose
parents is a citizen of The Bahamas shall be entitled, upon making application on his attaining the age of eighteen years or within twelve months thereafter in such manner as may be prescribed, to be registered as a citizen of The Bahamas:

Provided that if he is a citizen of some country other than The Bahamas he shall not be entitled to be registered as a citizen of The Bahamas under this Article unless he renounces his citizenship of that other country, takes the oath of allegiance and makes and registers such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as maybe prescribed.

If you read the red print, it specifically states that they SHALL BE ENTITLED to be registered as a citizen of The Bahamas, as long as they meet the criteria as stipulated in the Constitution, and apply within that "small window" period at age eighteen or within the twelve months following, they are pretty much GUARANTEED Bahamian Citizenship.

And after reading the second paragraph in subsection (1), it should be crystal clear that it is simply a formality they must follow if they do, in fact, have a Haitian Passport in order to apply for Bahamian Citizenship.

Now I am no constitutional lawyer, but it is very much implied that if they are in a "stateless" status, then this paragraph would not apply. My question here is WHY did our passport office used to offer "travel documents" to those individuals who were in this "stateless" status?

7. (1) A person born in The Bahamas after 9th July 1973 neither of whose
parents is a citizen of The Bahamas [COLOR="Red"]shall be entitled, upon making application on his attaining the age of eighteen years or within twelve months thereafter in such manner as may be prescribed, to be registered as a citizen of The Bahamas:You forgot something:

(2) Any application for registration under this Article shall be subject to such exceptions or qualifications as may be prescribed in the interests of national security or public policy.


These exemptions and qualifications, Mr. Copy and Paste, are being used in many instances of applications for citizenship by persons from certain territories, thereby effectively reducing their "entitlement" of citizenship to a case by case judgment based upon national security concerns.

Again, reality hits you squarely in the face and you have to agree that while they do have the right to apply, citizenship by those persons is NOT guaranteed based upon certain aspects of public policy that have been deemed necessary for those who originate from or have some affiliation with citizens of certain territories.

Why don't you find go something else to do instead of nipping at my heels? I DON'T hide behind a fake internet persona, so when I say something on this board, I'm usually 90% sure that it is correct or I can explain exactly how it was interpreted.

Try again, man.

:eek: at this dialogue!

Your attacks seemed to be rather personal, could it be that PM I had questioned you about in the past... Things that make you go, hummmmmmmm?I have to respond to this instead of deleting it like the rest of your nonsense. What are you insinuating exactly? Such is why many people avoid your types like the plague - no opportunity for hearsay. For you to take a simple member request and imply something else of it, shows your inability to stick to the facts. You did the same thing to SpamStopper at one point. You should know better by now.

Now I know how to handle your tirades.

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