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Bigmo
02-28-03, - 06:55 PM
I have been reading recently, with great concern, the seemingly widening rift between the American Ambassador (and by extension the U S State Dept) and the current Bahamas Govt.

I am a Bahamian who currently resides in the UK, so most of the news I read / listen to concerning the Bahamas is obtained via the internet from the limited Bahamian newspaper websites, Bahamian political tabloid websites, and the one Bahamian radio station (Love '97) that you can still listen to via the internet.

I was home for the Christmas holidays when the U S Ambassador made certain critical remarks concerning corrupt members of the Bahamas Defence Force. I was shocked by the public outcry that his departure from protocal was somehow an infringement on Bahamian soveriegnty. The essence of what he was saying was lost in the soveriegnty retoric.

The US Ambassador's recent comments indicating his inability to see various ministerial officials, his concerns about safety for US officials at both the Nassau Int'l Airport and Freeport Int'l Airport, his frank and public discussions about the possibility of his government's removal of its pre clearance facilities from the Bahamas and the State Dept's recent travel advisory to Americans thinking of visiting the Bahamas (the increased prevelance of crime and drugs in the Bahamas may pose a threat to your safety). These statements, specificially the forum in which they are being discussed trouble me greatly.

There may not be a grain of truth to some of what the US Ambassador/Gov't is saying, but we Bahamians must realise that his opinions carry a great deal of weight with persons in the US who have the ability to crush us as a country, and without ever firing a shot).

I think we Bahamians need to familiarise ourselves with the Monroe Doctrine (principle of American foreign policy enunciated in President James Monroe's message to Congress, Dec. 2, 1823. It initially called for an end to European intervention in the Americas, but it was later extended to justify U.S. imperialism in the Western Hemisphere). This brand of foreign policy remains alive and well today.

We are insignificant to the leaders of the US. They only tolerate us as long as we remember our place, so to speak. As soon as we show them we have a voice, and disagree with them, then we're perceived as arrogant ungratefuls who should be taught a lesson. I fear the lesson will be a dire economic one.

In our short past as a soveriegn nation, we have had persons from both sides of the 'political isle' who seemed to understand this one-sided relationship the US fosters with small black countries of the caribbean. They played the game well, and we prospered as a nation. We now seem to have politicians too niave to play the game, or too filled with self pride that they're willing to let the entire country suffer rather than put their perceived self importance to one side.

We have a symbiotic relationship with America. That coutry is the greatest contributor to our GNP, and in turn we spend virtually all of our hard earned dollars, every chance we get, to export the lifestyle and materialism we see on their television stations back to our shores. Most Bahamians know that the typical American (WASP) don't love or respect us. Most of us know that they resent us for living in a country blessed with beautiful waters and beaches. If only they could find a way to take our land, and kick us blacks out...(if Iraq had no oil do you really think the US would be so anxious to launch a moral crusade to liberate the poor opressed Kurds; what about all those poor black Liberians, Hutus, Zimbabwians etc, when will their moral crusade begin in Africa).

So lets check the pride at the door Mr politician, we will never be seen as equals by the US - so play the game or get the hell off the court!!

ebo
03-06-03, - 10:55 PM
My friend, we are not a black nation!. The majority of our citizens are black. We need to stop wearing our colour as a badge and focus on doing the things necessary to move ourselves and our country forward. Excellence is colour blind.

The US Ambassador to the Bahamas has spoken the truth. It may very well be undiplomatic. But it is the truth. It may be the only way to wake up the Bahamian leadership. I feel we should take the good, leave the bad, and get our act together. It is not about the Ambassador. It is about us. Ambassadors come and go. We, the people remain.

If the US wants the drug dealers, let's give them to the US. The more drug dealers we send to America, the better the Bahamas will be.

Our place is with America. America has proven its friendship to us. We should prove our friendship to America. When they are wrong we should tell them they are wrong the same way one brother tells the other he is wrong, but does not desert him. America made itself perfectly clear. On this issue there are no shades of gray. "You are with us or you are against us. " In my opinion, there is no debate. Our interests are bound to the US' interests. If we have a problem with what they are doing, we should tell them. But we are in one corner. We support America as America has supported us. End of story.

Our position now should be to find out from our friend how we can best assist them so we can pass this terrible time into history as quickly as possible.

I hope there is no war. I hope we do not choose a non-aligned position.

More than anything else, we need imagination in this little country we have.

clint charlton
09-05-05, - 06:22 PM
Its funny to see some one write that the bahamas is not a black nation, i wonder for all practical purposes what is it? i also wonder about this blind sided trust in america, the concept of the monroe doctrine is avery powerful one in fact the concept of the right to first strike all comes from this doctrine, there is some thing true to the political thinking of a number of the citizens of the country that i have lived and shared ideas with and i my self one time worshiped at the church of blind faith to america. i wonder when we will come to see the paternalistic nature of this relationship its not brother to brother its a parent to a child, as george bush in his madness rushed to wage war on iraqi he did not say come brothers and sisters lets talk about this he said either you are for us or against us. check your self before you wreck your self.[FONT=Century Gothic]

bahmaboy
09-05-05, - 06:44 PM
BigMo: i agree with most of what you said, especially on the points that at n e time america could put an economic hurt on the bahmas, if we piss them off. so yes play the game. it is for the reason i tell my bahamian family memeber to please prepare your selves if something like that should ever arise.

i have to disagree when you say americans/america is jealous of the bahamas waters and bahamian lifestyle blah blah. um hello america has hawaii, ever been to nothern california, west florida? it is a fact that the gov of america is pleased and very happy that bahamains enjoy a life style similar to theirs, you know? thats one less nations troop of immigrants they have to worry about.


to ebo: preach on ma brother

to charlton: whats with the fonts dude

clint charlton
09-05-05, - 07:04 PM
whats up with the fonts?
I like them!
Do you have a problem with it?; if so go see a psychologist.

bahmaboy
09-05-05, - 07:24 PM
i have more of a problem with ur incorrect quote and respond technique. please try to use less graring colors or maybe ur a child that like the pretty colors. but if it works for u do ur thing

clint charlton
09-05-05, - 07:39 PM
lol i love colours its the expressive part in me and i have explained it all in previous post,i make no apology for it nor will i change it to suit your fancy.

bahmaboy
09-05-05, - 08:00 PM
lol i love colours its the expressive part in me and i have explained it all in previous post, i make no apology for it nor will i change it to suit your fancy.

LMAO. please dont i made the request to help you stp making ur self look like a jack mass. i have a friend who has an obsession with buttons, pushing them that is. everytime he is in my car he is pushing buttons for no reason although annoying it is hilarous. i think both of u should seek help

BTW- in your post try to put a little note about what ur feeling. ie the yellow means what.....

clint charlton
09-05-05, - 08:18 PM
bahama boy this is entertaing but silly, you need to stop, and think what gives you the right to determine how some one should oranize their thoughts or present them? man thats some serious ego problems, cannt you just let go dude i am not like you dont want to be like you, do you get it? you may be a fine person but you are not my hero, if you want to know what i am then just read my post its all in there. look dont be so anal retentive ok, just flush the toliet and let them go, i am being crude at the moment but for a reason, and that is that we all have the right to be creative or asses if we wish to be, ok and i dont need you to tell me whAT I NEED TO BE... DO YOU GET IT NOW, AND BLUE MEANS THAT YOU ARE MESSING WITH MY CHI.................

Delroy
09-05-05, - 08:34 PM
bahama boy this is entertaing but silly, you need to stop, and think what gives you the right to determine how some one should oranize their thoughts or present them? man thats some serious ego problems, cannt you just let go dude i am not like you dont want to be like you, do you get it? you may be a fine person but you are not my hero, if you want to know what i am then just read my post its all in there. look dont be so anal retentive ok, just flush the toliet and let them go, i am being crude at the moment but for a reason, and that is that we all have the right to be creative or asses if we wish to be, ok and i dont need you to tell me whAT I NEED TO BE... DO YOU GET IT NOW, AND BLUE MEANS THAT YOU ARE MESSING WITH MY CHI.................


I just spent important time correcting the fonts in your post and I don't intend to do it again. Please do not use excessive and unnecessary bright colored or large fonts when you post.

dawsonrawson
09-05-05, - 09:40 PM
Im just reading all this - what was the issue again?!

bahmaboy
09-06-05, - 05:22 AM
bahama boy this is entertaing but silly, you need to stop, and think what gives you the right to determine how some one should oranize their thoughts or present them? man thats some serious ego problems, cannt you just let go dude i am not like you dont want to be like you, do you get it? you may be a fine person but you are not my hero, if you want to know what i am then just read my post its all in there. look dont be so anal retentive ok, just flush the toliet and let them go, i am being crude at the moment but for a reason, and that is that we all have the right to be creative or asses if we wish to be, ok and i dont need you to tell me whAT I NEED TO BE... DO YOU GET IT NOW, AND BLUE MEANS THAT YOU ARE MESSING WITH MY CHI.................


dude this is the last time i will address this with you but i have to make it CLEAR that I am not trying to tell you what to do or want you to be like me, I was simply telling you if you want to get your point across or at least read that is not the way to do so.

Abiskan Moon-Angel
09-06-05, - 06:04 AM
BIGMO:
We are insignificant to the leaders of the US. They only tolerate us as long as we remember our place, so to speak. As soon as we show them we have a voice, and disagree with them, then we're perceived as arrogant ungratefuls who should be taught a lesson. I fear the lesson will be a dire economic one.
does this not serve as an impetus for us to get friendlier with other nations? you know...try to cover our assess? i reckon this aknowledgment is evidence that people are realising: hey! we need to wake up and form some sort of contigency plan.. starting first with trying to deal with the issue of brain drain!
if Iraq had no oil do you really think the US would be so anxious to launch a moral crusade to liberate the poor opressed Kurds; what about all those poor black Liberians, Hutus, Zimbabwians etc, when will their moral crusade begin in Africa
so totally totally true. tired of preachin this one, but many naive people still take the view 'they want to create a democratic stable iraq'. if you ask me, there are loads of other countries they couldve started with.
it is a fact that the gov of america is pleased and very happy that bahamains enjoy a life style similar to theirs, you know? thats one less nations troop of immigrants they have to worry about.
BAHAMABOY: this is hilarious - but true!

Alien
09-08-05, - 11:45 AM
Cant a man use fonts if he wants too??

bahmaboy
09-08-05, - 12:20 PM
Cant a man use fonts if he wants too??



yes he can and i definatly didnt say STOP USING THOSE FONTS. if i did or it appeared that i did all i was asking was for him to tone it down. ie make the font smaller, use the same color for the entire post, and quote and respond correctly. i personaly found it annoying having a post in front of me in big green letters then switch to pink and then yellow. i did ask that he please learn to quote and respond so people could read the post better.

n e way charlse i am sorry if it seemed as though i was trampling on your rights to free creativity but dont i have a right not to have my retina's burned out by the time i am 25 from reading your post?