Thought this song was fitting:

Music Score by Ernest Gold
Lyrics by Pat Boone
A Mickey McBride Arrangement



THIS LAND IS MINE, GOD GAVE THIS LAND TO ME,
THIS BRAVE AND ANCIENT LAND TO ME,
AND WHEN THE MORNING SUN REVEALS HER HILLS AND PLAIN,
THEN I SEE A LAND WHERE CHILDREN CAN RUN FREE,

SO TAKE MY HAND AND WALK THIS LAND WITH ME,
AND WALK THIS LOVELY LAND WITH ME,
THOUGH I AM JUST A MAN, WHEN YOU ARE BY MY SIDE,
WITH THE HELP OF GOD, I KNOW I CAN BE STRONG,

THOUGH I AM JUST A MAN,
WHEN YOU ARE BY MY SIDE,
WITH THE HELP OF GOD,
I KNOW I CAN BE STRONG,

IF I MUST FIGHT TO MAKE THIS LAND OUR HOME,
I’LL FIGHT TO MAKE THIS LAND OUR OWN,
UNTIL I DIE, UNTIL I DIE, I WILL FIGHT UNTIL I DIE,
THIS LAND IS MINE.

To fight with our fist instead of our collective intellect would amount to throwing this country back 40 years. Any battle today should be fought with the sword and sheild of knowledge and education. To throw ourselves into the uproar of physical violence as a way of dealing with our social issues, would be analagous to throwing out our computers and going back to using typewriters.

Bahamians are not fighters by heart, because we have not had to fight for the priveleges we enjoy today. We gained our freedom and independance without the firing of a gun or the slashing of a throat. We are simply not conditioned to fight for a social cause, and it is hard to turn a timid lamb into a fierce ram over night. Though our pasiveness is our claim to fame a s a stable democracy, it may be our greatest downfall. If one doesn't see the value in fighting for something, then you will eventually lose it, and that may be the case with us here in the Bahamas. In the words of Joni Mitchell, "Don't ia always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till its gone." I think the horse may already have left the stable, and if it hasn't he right at the door waiting to trample the garden.

IF I MUST FIGHT TO MAKE THIS LAND OUR HOME,
I’LL FIGHT TO MAKE THIS LAND OUR OWN,
UNTIL I DIE, UNTIL I DIE, I WILL FIGHT UNTIL I DIE,
THIS LAND IS MINE.
Let me get this right.

Why do Bahamians need to fight? And why must we take such violent actions to make something that is already ours, ours?

In this day and age, there is no need to fight. Fighting is reactive and primitive. We Bahamians need to do as we always have done and figure out what is best for the future ahead of time. Which is one reason why we have always been a stable democracy. We are rational and logical.

Bringing that spirit of reactiveness into a society, which is much different than when our grandfathers were around, will destroy it. Especially when people consider it their right to take what they want and do as they please without THINKING about the effects of those actions upon the future.

Revolution is not needed at this time. Re-evolution is. :bahamas:

revolution...
mobilization
civil disobedience
war...
actually standing up against our government demanding change.
Man, Bahamians don't like fight...
we does row and make noise...but be honest...none of us willing to die for this country. I mean physically die...risk all personal wealth, reputation all for the upliftment of the Bahamas.
There are no statesmen, no freedom fighters...those who demand social change...only politicians.
Where are those who are willing to spend their monies, get locked up, get violent to make this country better. Who ga fight...me? you?
or are we going to just watch.

reminds me of a conversation between hubert and koed in the house:hammer: sometime ago

reminds me of a conversation between hubert and koed in the house:hammer: sometime ago
???

No Retreat, No Surrender! :hammer:

If lynden, Milo, and Cyril them did believe this, we would still not be allowed to go down town...
But lets just watch things happen though...we have been watching for umpteen years...don't worry things will get better...

SMT those men throw couple books around that doesn't equate to a physical violent "fighting" as you imply we need to do. The Bahamas is a quiet PEACEFUL nation, this stems back from the Arawak days, if you want change such as social reform we DO NOT need to create a civil war, that's not in our blood, we too small fa dat besides all we would be doing is killin out our family b/c everyone relative to each other some where down da line.

SMT those men throw couple books around that doesn't equate to a physical violent "fighting" as you imply we need to do. The Bahamas is a quiet PEACEFUL nation, this stems back from the Arawak days, if you want change such as social reform we DO NOT need to create a civil war, that's not in our blood, we too small fa dat besides all we would be doing is killin out our family b/c everyone relative to each other some where down da line.
Actually, I really thought this topic would hae had more debate, but alas.
Everyone seemed to concentrate on the "get violent" portion of this thread. But no one actually analysed what get violent means.

Gone are the days when Milo stood up on people cars, and blocked traffic, and made a ruckas in parliament and on Bay Street. Gone are the days when LO threaten an entire community with bend or break. Gone are the days when brave men grabbed up a priceless piece and throw it down stairs shattering it, not care what happened to them. Gone are the days, of the general strike, the blocking of the road in order to demand change. Get violent doesn't have to mean physical fighting. But it does mean risking one self.

I personally believe the Bahamas is under siege. There exist entities, foreign and domestic, whose goal is to destroy the peace and tranquility of this country. Those are the people I talk about that we need to become phsyical against.

For too long we have allowed them to wreak havoc, causing pain and destruction as we look on. For too long we watch them arm themselves, as they rape, murder and plunder. For too long we have watched them squat and milk this country dry, and we stand and just look. Look, do and say nothing.

My point is, that their exist communities in this Bahamas where violence/crime do do touch. Why? Because the people there would tolerate it. They would risk their person to ensure that such vices do not thrive. There are communities where illegal immigration is not an issue. Why because, persons there risk their wellbeing to take matter in their own hands to keep their communities illegal immigrant free. There exist communities where nature is promoted, where greenspace is a matter of course etc. WHy? Because there exists person who would stand in front of the bulldozers, and risk being bull dozed.

NO there may be no need to be violent in nature, however, there exist a need to stand up and fight if one has to in order to protect this Bahamas. But that's just me.

To fight with our fist instead of our collective intellect would amount to throwing this country back 40 years. Any battle today should be fought with the sword and sheild of knowledge and education. To throw ourselves into the uproar of physical violence as a way of dealing with our social issues, would be analagous to throwing out our computers and going back to using typewriters.

agreed, the only battlefield we should have is in our minds, that's the first and last place change will effectively occur.

agreed, the only battlefield we should have is in our minds, that's the first and last place change will effectively occur.
The Bahamian mind is warped. We enjoy sin. And sin is in the majority. We need someone to go into the temple and overthrow the gambling tables, to interupt thieves Or only Jesus is allowed to do such.

Actually, I really thought this topic would hae had more debate, but alas.
Everyone seemed to concentrate on the "get violent" portion of this thread. But no one actually analysed what get violent means.
Gone are the days when Milo stood up on people cars, and blocked traffic, and made a ruckas in parliament and on Bay Street. Gone are the days when LO threaten an entire community with bend or break. Gone are the days when brave men grabbed up a priceless piece and throw it down stairs shattering it, not care what happened to them. Gone are the days, of the general strike, the blocking of the road in order to demand change. Get violent doesn't have to mean physical fighting. But it does mean risking one self.
I personally believe the Bahamas is under siege. There exist entities, foreign and domestic, whose goal is to destroy the peace and tranquility of this country. Those are the people I talk about that we need to become phsyical against.
For too long we have allowed them to wreak havoc, causing pain and destruction as we look on. For too long we watch them arm themselves, as they rape, murder and plunder. For too long we have watched them squat and milk this country dry, and we stand and just look. Look, do and say nothing.
My point is, that their exist communities in this Bahamas where violence/crime do do touch. Why? Because the people there would tolerate it. They would risk their person to ensure that such vices do not thrive. There are communities where illegal immigration is not an issue. Why because, persons there risk their wellbeing to take matter in their own hands to keep their communities illegal immigrant free. There exist communities where nature is promoted, where greenspace is a matter of course etc. WHy? Because there exists person who would stand in front of the bulldozers, and risk being bull dozed.
NO there may be no need to be violent in nature, however, there exist a need to stand up and fight if one has to in order to protect this Bahamas. But that's just me.

With all that said Newry, what do you propose us to do as a collective body right here on BI??? It's all well and good to sound pretty with words but when given the opportunity will you be the Milo or LO of 2008?? We as Bahamians talk a good talk but when it come down to ONE person making that bold step we retreat in our corners and sip sip amongst ourselves.

Actually, I really thought this topic would hae had more debate, but alas.
Everyone seemed to concentrate on the "get violent" portion of this thread. But no one actually analysed what get violent means.
Gone are the days when Milo stood up on people cars, and blocked traffic, and made a ruckas in parliament and on Bay Street. Gone are the days when LO threaten an entire community with bend or break. Gone are the days when brave men grabbed up a priceless piece and throw it down stairs shattering it, not care what happened to them. Gone are the days, of the general strike, the blocking of the road in order to demand change. Get violent doesn't have to mean physical fighting. But it does mean risking one self.
I personally believe the Bahamas is under siege. There exist entities, foreign and domestic, whose goal is to destroy the peace and tranquility of this country. Those are the people I talk about that we need to become phsyical against.
For too long we have allowed them to wreak havoc, causing pain and destruction as we look on. For too long we watch them arm themselves, as they rape, murder and plunder. For too long we have watched them squat and milk this country dry, and we stand and just look. Look, do and say nothing.

you started the thread so it's up to you to define your words such as "get violent"....to me it's clear as day so if you meant something different then say what you mean!!!

anyway, if you ask any Bahamian they are willing to defeat their rights, their country but no one seems to care via their actions....they worried about gas prices or who is American's next idol. I for one want to see social change but my approach is different it would be more on building character and integrity....and that approach does not involve throwing out "the mace" or blocking traffic (no offense to Sir Milo and LOP).

you see we all want change and that's cool but which is the most effective method???

With all that said Newry, what do you propose us to do as a collective body right here on BI??? It's all well and good to sound pretty with words but when given the opportunity will you be the Milo or LO of 2008?? We as Bahamians talk a good talk but when it come down to ONE person making that bold step we retreat in our corners and sip sip amongst ourselves.
I doing that bold step right now, watch the comments, the lights on, see those who retreat in the corners claiming the bahamas safe and that there is no need to address the status quo, as the status quo aint that bad.

you started the thread so it's up to you to define your words such as "get violent"....to me it's clear as day so if you meant something different then say what you mean!!!
anyway, if you ask any Bahamian they are willing to defeat their rights, their country but no one seems to care via their actions....they worried about gas prices or who is American's next idol. I for one want to see social change but my approach is different it would be more on building character and integrity....and that approach does not involve throwing out "the mace" or blocking traffic (no offense to Sir Milo and LOP).
you see we all want change and that's cool but which is the most effective method???
what method is being done now?
revolution...
mobilization
civil disobedience
war...
actually standing up against our government demanding change
And I used these words. Such words have been used for centuries. In the US, Africa, India, England etc. I find we just afraid of words now a days.