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FACTS ONLY
06-24-08, - 10:08 AM
Many rank and file DF marines believe sacked officer Zennerman Sherman has been victimised and should be reinstated, it emerged last night according to The Tribune.

They claim he has been targeted unfairly, even though an alleged rapist in the force has been kept on.

Lieut Sherman was fired for alleged "misconduct" by Commodore Clifford Scavella, but claims his boss had no power to do so under the Defense Force Act.

In addition, Sherman said, the "misconduct" had never been specified.

Now grassroots officers are agitating for Lieut Sherman's reinstatement, claiming he has been the subject of a continuing process of victimisation..

pharoah
06-24-08, - 10:16 AM
I will not speak to the issue whether Mr Sherman was dismissed unfairly, but i think that many of the officers of the defense force is using this in an effort to undermined the authority of the commodore. It is common knowledge that Mr Scavella is finally trying to bring some discipline to the force. The defense force has been undisciplined for many a years. We are all aware of the mess that goes down on that base.

I say to Mr. Scavella do what you must to weed out the corrupt and uncouth officers that is giving our defense force a bad name.

watsayu
06-24-08, - 10:19 AM
Many rank and file DF marines believe sacked officer Zennerman Sherman has been victimised and should be reinstated, it emerged last night according to The Tribune.
They claim he has been targeted unfairly, even though an alleged rapist in the force has been kept on.
Lieut Sherman was fired for alleged "misconduct" by Commodore Clifford Scavella, but claims his boss had no power to do so under the Defense Force Act.
In addition, Sherman said, the "misconduct" had never been specified.
Now grassroots officers are agitating for Lieut Sherman's reinstatement, claiming he has been the subject of a continuing process of victimisation..I know Commodore Scavella, a great Bay men... he do not have the ability to victimize... but for sure I will seek to hear the facts... Scavella is by nature a tough soilder.. he is hard on himself.. he expects the best.... he does not tolerate foolishness..... he is a great Bahamian....

Sunnyjohn
06-24-08, - 03:50 PM
They have gotten way with nonsense for far to long on the RBDF. If Commodore Scavella cannot remove, discipline and FIRE members in that armed service under his command, then what'sthe sense of paying marines to person a Defense Force?

Get with it Marines. This is a new day! Do your calesthetics and keep your uniform spotless. Quite the illegal third job. Stop moonlighting for the drug dealers and numbers man. Be prepared for days at sea away from family. That's what you signed up for.

Oh, and fire that "alleged rapist" to.

pharoah
06-24-08, - 04:17 PM
They have gotten way with nonsense for far to long on the RBDF. If Commodore Scavella cannot remove, discipline and FIRE members in that armed service under his command, then what'sthe sense of paying marines to person a Defense Force?
Get with it Marines. This is a new day! Do your calesthetics and keep your uniform spotless. Quite the illegal third job. Stop moonlighting for the drug dealers and numbers man. Be prepared for days at sea away from family. That's what you signed up for.
Oh, and fire that "alleged rapist" to.

Amen, Sister Sunny!! Sunny, ya gat any strawberry slush in the tack shop? It is hot as hell today!!

Sunnyjohn
06-24-08, - 04:22 PM
Amen, Sister Sunny!! Sunny, ya gat any strawberry slush in the tack shop? It is hot as hell today!!


*Hand Pharoah his strawberry slush wit a splash of vitamin boost and guarine fa energy.*

LotusPhoenix
06-24-08, - 04:33 PM
I know Commodore Scavella, a great Bay men... he do not have the ability to victimize... but for sure I will seek to hear the facts... Scavella is by nature a tough soilder.. he is hard on himself.. he expects the best.... he does not tolerate foolishness..... he is a great Bahamian....

We need one a him in police force, in da education system, in da hospital, in da HOA...chile, we need to clone him quick.

Bahamians too like slackness and when you bring in someone with rigid standards they cry I IS A WICTIM!!!!!

I say send them to train with the Navy Seals for a month...that'll weed out the pansies from the men (and women)

Sunnyjohn
06-24-08, - 04:38 PM
We need one a him in police force, in da education system, in da hospital, in da HOA...chile, we need to clone him quick.
Bahamians too like slackness and when you bring in someone with rigid standards they cry I IS A WICTIM!!!!!
I say send them to train with the Navy Seals for a month...that'll weed out the pansies from the men (and women)


Cousin,

Scavella is jes like dem old skool fellas from da 50's who had li'l broughtupsy! They actually DID what ya PAID them to do and had INTEGRITY!

Das why dis new breed a fellas who callin dey self "RBDF officers" is stupified when he tells dem ta step away from da Bamboo shack since how ya ga run after da crooks dem when ya weigh 500lbs and ya look like da Stay Puff Marshmallow Man in ya dress whites???

*suck teeth*

I wish dey woul send him ta deal with dem buggas at Batelco who alway shollerin fa "dey share of da profits" and carn keep up with modern technology or stop teifin all da dang phone cards out da office!

islandgyal
06-24-08, - 04:38 PM
Many rank and file DF marines believe sacked officer Zennerman Sherman has been victimised and should be reinstated, it emerged last night according to The Tribune.
They claim he has been targeted unfairly, even though an alleged rapist in the force has been kept on.
Lieut Sherman was fired for alleged "misconduct" by Commodore Clifford Scavella, but claims his boss had no power to do so under the Defense Force Act.
In addition, Sherman said, the "misconduct" had never been specified.
Now grassroots officers are agitating for Lieut Sherman's reinstatement, claiming he has been the subject of a continuing process of victimisation..

cheers, commander scavella :hammer: ... weed out that whine mindset!!

chaos
06-24-08, - 08:46 PM
Many rank and file DF marines believe sacked officer Zennerman Sherman has been victimised and should be reinstated, it emerged last night according to The Tribune.
They claim he has been targeted unfairly, even though an alleged rapist in the force has been kept on.
Lieut Sherman was fired for alleged "misconduct" by Commodore Clifford Scavella, but claims his boss had no power to do so under the Defense Force Act.
In addition, Sherman said, the "misconduct" had never been specified.
Now grassroots officers are agitating for Lieut Sherman's reinstatement, claiming he has been the subject of a continuing process of victimisation..
lol at grassroot officers.
tell them to strike, strike, strike!
ah lord, they cant strike aye.
oh well.
What they need to do is call the alleged rapist name. Lets know who he is.

adidasboi987
06-24-08, - 09:41 PM
This situation has been first highlighted in yesterday's front page section of the paper...

ANYWAY....

Bahamians WAKE UP!!... Your perceptions of Scavella is irrelevant to the details I read in the article... Please for once let us stop making assumptions... My grandmother once said "ya can't swear for anyone".... So before we go and give Mr. Scavella a medal of honour let us analyse the facts...

The officer is NOT a marine ... he is a commissioned officer of the RBDF whose commission comes directly from the queen via the Governor General...

The procedures for dismissal of a commissioned officer are different from that of a marine... i.e. the Commodore does not have the authority to "dismiss" an officer...

Allegations of "misconduct" have been levied upon this officer and to date he has not been told what this misconduct is... NOR has he been given ANYTHING in writing.... NOW... come on... assuming that they even had something to fire this officer for (providing that they lawfully could) the correct procedure is to highlight in writing what it is they are firing you for... allegations of misconduct... are like the Police knocking on your door... charging you with a crime and sentencing you to jail with a trial... In essence this is what happened (but even worse to date the officer doesn't know what he has been fired for)... People fired from a service station at least get a letter to say why they're fired...

The paper outlined his "outstanding" service in the US Marine Corps prior to coming home to the Bahamas to serve in the RBDF... He was involved in procuring scholarships for marines encouraging advancement of the educational needs of the force..to which he served as an Education Officer...

Officers on the force have been discovered to be involved in all manner of impropriety... including drugs, fraternisation, RAPE... SO this non-sense of Scavella being stern is mind-boggling... as I said WAKE UP PEOPLE!!..If it is his intent to "weed out the bad" officers perhaps he should do the obvious and get rid of those whose "misconduct" is undeniably blatant...

Marines have described this officer as one of the best officers at the RBDF base... the matter here is PERSONAL... Scavella had a bone to pick and he overstepped his boundaries and authority... Interesting enough this isn't the first RBDF personnel he has done this to... Even a retired RBDF petty officer contacted the paper and spoke highly of this officer...

Mr Scavella rules by intimidation and most officers unfortunately are AFRAID to speak up against it... The flowery picture that he presents on TV appearances is just that.... an APPEARANCE... the officers @ the base know his true nature... and but a few DARE speak out against it...

So before we decide what we THINK happened based on our perceptions of Mr. Scavella (and who knows, he may very well be a "good" Bahamian... but what does that matter here?) lets get the facts... and CLEARLY we will see that correct procedure was not followed... Personalities aside, Perceptions aside... Analyse FACTS!

watsayu
06-24-08, - 09:45 PM
SEEMS like a good court case..... but I stand by my word.. Scavella is a great Bahamian.... I know him well and it is not in his make up to victimized... not at all....

adidasboi987
06-24-08, - 09:49 PM
I will not speak to the issue whether Mr Sherman was dismissed unfairly, but i think that many of the officers of the defense force is using this in an effort to undermined the authority of the commodore. It is common knowledge that Mr Scavella is finally trying to bring some discipline to the force. The defense force has been undisciplined for many a years. We are all aware of the mess that goes down on that base.
I say to Mr. Scavella do what you must to weed out the corrupt and uncouth officers that is giving our defense force a bad name.
Truth be told the record will reflect that Mr. Scavella himself lacks discipline... having been relieved from duty from a position he held when former Commodore Davey Rolle was Commander of the Defense Force...

The very same Scavella who organized an "ill-conceived" "poorly planned" raid of the Coral Harbour Base that very well could have resulted in MANY unnecesary deaths...

The very same Scavella who after his men were involved in a 24hour duty @ base... had them perform a training exercise again under unsafe conditions where one marine actually DIED (drowned)... and luckily others were saved...

I wonder if this man's family has the same perception of Mr. Scavella...as being "disciplined."

adidasboi987
06-24-08, - 09:51 PM
SEEMS like a good court case..... but I stand by by word.. Scavella is a great Bahamian.... I know him well and it is not in his make up to victimized... not at all....
Hitler was a good German too... by some descriptions...

Scavella being a great Bahamian is TOTALLY irrelevant to the facts in this case....

watsayu
06-24-08, - 09:54 PM
Hitler was a good German too... by some descriptions...
Scavella being a great Bahamian is TOTALLY irrelevant to the facts in this case....That is why I say take it to the courts.. but your post earler suggest that you may have some personal interest in this subject other then the normal.... writing that you so wonderfully add to all topics that you post on BI...

WATSAYU.............. ??????????