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blkisleboy
07-08-08, - 07:14 PM
BOL.
Well when i watched dis last night on tv, i could not understand how one event gat two totally different stories.whatever happen i feel the police was wrong.why.Dey een tell the man what he was being arrested for.een no crime was committed.i een hear dem say da man tief da fan so why strong arm da man.if dey come ta my house and yuck me up wid out a charge, wwe ga have ta send one referee.anyway da police should now how to properly deal with a suspect who is resisting arrest.and ta throw da man ma down, chile I een ga even go dere.dese lil rookie cops to trigger happy.dey eva hear bout calling fa back up.all dey had to do was fire a warning shot in da air not in da people house.i feel sorry fa hulan hanna, as a minister he does have to be very "creative" when explaining dese incidents.

I am sitting here reading the pure hate threads for the person who put their lives on the line for anungrateful buch of criminal defenders, and the answer becomes very clear to me why nassau is so crime ridden and people being killed daily! listen people!! The Royal Bahamas Police with all of their faults are one of the best and most efficient forces in the world! check the statistics!! Do you people REALLy believe that officers just sat in the station and decided for absolutely no reason to go and of all the persons in nassau ,that they would go to this man house at 1am in the morning,and arrest this peaceful innocent man?? but then obviously that is what you believe!! how utterly stupid! however, let me think as rediculously as you, asnd assume that that is what happened. What would it take off this decent innocent lawabiding citizen to go with the police peacefully, and if the accusations were false, after he is allowed to go(and he would be allowed to go at some point) go to the authorities and report the behaviour of the police Or seek legal counsel even? A little note here to you ignorant persons, the police in affecting an arrest, wether it is justified or not at the time, may use ANY and ALL means necessary to affect that arrest! I live in freeport, and we have our problems here like anywhere BUT the reason we havent reach the stage where you are in nassau is because MOST persons including criminals here in freeport for the most part STILL respect the Police!! NOTICE I DID NOT SAY LIKE, i said RESPECT! For What its worth!

adidasboi987
07-08-08, - 08:41 PM
I am sitting here reading the pure hate threads for the person who put their lives on the line for anungrateful buch of criminal defenders, and the answer becomes very clear to me why nassau is so crime ridden and people being killed daily! listen people!! The Royal Bahamas Police with all of their faults are one of the best and most efficient forces in the world! check the statistics!! Do you people REALLy believe that officers just sat in the station and decided for absolutely no reason to go and of all the persons in nassau ,that they would go to this man house at 1am in the morning,and arrest this peaceful innocent man??

YES!!...it has happened before... and surely will happen again...


but then obviously that is what you believe!! how utterly stupid! however, let me think as rediculously as you, asnd assume that that is what happened. What would it take off this decent innocent lawabiding citizen to go with the police peacefully, and if the accusations were false, after he is allowed to go(and he would be allowed to go at some point) go to the authorities and report the behaviour of the police Or seek legal counsel even?

as none of us are aware of the circumstances we cannot assume the best course of action for this gentleman.... what was he being arrested for??...this matter seemed personal and surely something that could have been settled through other means... civil court perhaps... cause really are we not talking about merely a FAN and a DVD player...

A little note here to you ignorant persons, the police in affecting an arrest, wether it is justified or not at the time, may use ANY and ALL means necessary to affect that arrest! I live in freeport, and we have our problems here like anywhere BUT the reason we havent reach the stage where you are in nassau is because MOST persons including criminals here in freeport for the most part STILL respect the Police!! NOTICE I DID NOT SAY LIKE, i said RESPECT! For What its worth!
No one is denying the police's power... what we are defending is the rights of the person being arrested... surely if we could without a shadow of doubt say that the police force is without any ill-repute or aren't corrupt then we can clearly say that no one should resist/question their "arrest"... but we live in a society where person's call their "boys" at police station to settle scores... where officers are themselves involved in all manner of questionable activity... as was outlined in the thread... as a police officer (I assume) you cn easily pontificate from your high horse about how ignorant, misguided and crime ridden however you MUST take responsibility for all aspects of the equation that makes this belief evident... one of them unfortunately being that the POLICE in their corrupt ways have contributed to it...

blkisleboy
07-08-08, - 09:00 PM
YES!!...it has happened before... and surely will happen again...
as none of us are aware of the circumstances we cannot assume the best course of action for this gentleman.... what was he being arrested for??...this matter seemed personal and surely something that could have been settled through other means... civil court perhaps... cause really are we not talking about merely a FAN and a DVD player...
No one is denying the police's power... what we are defending is the rights of the person being arrested... surely if we could without a shadow of doubt say that the police force is without any ill-repute or aren't corrupt then we can clearly say that no one should resist/question their "arrest"... but we live in a society where person's call their "boys" at police station to settle scores... where officers are themselves involved in all manner of questionable activity... as was outlined in the thread... as a police officer (I assume) you cn easily pontificate from your high horse about how ignorant, misguided and crime ridden however you MUST take responsibility for all aspects of the equation that makes this belief evident... one of them unfortunately being that the POLICE in their corrupt ways have contributed to it...
All I would say to you Police haters in Nassau is you comtinue to hate and resist the Police, but remember this, when you are Fatally killed in the course of an arrest ( and you will be IF you DO!) You will be GONE!! The Police as an organisation wil ALWAYS be here! it will be your CHILDREn who will live with the lost of an ignorant parent who died ONLY because they were to STUPID to know that YOU WILL NOT WIN in a battle with law inforcement at the time of an arrest! Think about it!!

adidasboi987
07-08-08, - 09:11 PM
All I would say to you Police haters in Nassau is you comtinue to hate and resist the Police, but remember this, when you are Fatally killed in the course of an arrest ( and you will be IF you DO!) You will be GONE!! The Police as an organisation wil ALWAYS be here! it will be your CHILDREn who will live with the lost of an ignorant parent who died ONLY because they were to STUPID to know that YOU WILL NOT WIN in a battle with law inforcement at the time of an arrest! Think about it!!
there is SOOOO much wrong with this post that I do not know where to begin... I do pray that you do not echo the sentiments of your colleagues however I wouldnt be suprised if you do...

There is such a thing as Civil Disobedience or in this case peaceful protest against an arrest... that is to do so PEACEfully resist or question what you deem as an unlawful arrest... am I advocating that everyone do this?... Hell No.. what I do say is that POLICE cannot apply the law to suit their will... they are bound to not only protect the law but enforce it in a LAWFUL fashion... What I do advocate is that citizens familiarize themselves with the law and their rights to prevent PIG HEADED officers from overstepping their boundaries and authority....shooting and killing someone who questions your motivation and justifcation for arrest does NOT warrant being KILLED... (I gather that is what you suggest)...

Rather than argue the case for citizens to just take what is given to them by officers who are ill-prepared both physically and mentally to police an animal farm let alone a country...what you should do is advocate that officers work on their person-to-person or interpersonal skills when dealing with the public.. while at it weed out the officers who give the "good" officers a bad name and maybe the pervailing attitude that the police aint worth S**t would be eradicated... just a thought though...

asterz57
07-08-08, - 09:23 PM
there is SOOOO much wrong with this post that I do not know where to begin... I do pray that you do not echo the sentiments of your colleagues however I wouldnt be suprised if you do...
There is such a thing as Civil Disobedience or in this case peaceful protest against an arrest... that is to do so PEACEfully resist or question what you deem as an unlawful arrest... am I advocating that everyone do this?... Hell No.. what I do say is that POLICE cannot apply the law to suit their will... they are bound to not only protect the law but enforce it in a LAWFUL fashion... What I do advocate is that citizens familiarize themselves with the law and their rights to prevent PIG HEADED officers from overstepping their boundaries and authority....shooting and killing someone who questions your motivation and justifcation for arrest does NOT warrant being KILLED... (I gather that is what you suggest)...
Rather than argue the case for citizens to just take what is given to them by officers who are ill-prepared both physically and mentally to police an animal farm let alone a country...what you should do is advocate that officers work on their person-to-person or interpersonal skills when dealing with the public.. while at it weed out the officers who give the "good" officers a bad name and maybe the pervailing attitude that the police aint worth S**t would be eradicated... just a thought though...

I could not agree with you more. The mere fact that half of the Police Force are only there for the pay check and the ones running it well they aint worth the badge that they have. Corruption is plaqing that Force from top go down.

asterz57
07-08-08, - 09:27 PM
All I would say to you Police haters in Nassau is you comtinue to hate and resist the Police, but remember this, when you are Fatally killed in the course of an arrest ( and you will be IF you DO!) You will be GONE!! The Police as an organisation wil ALWAYS be here! it will be your CHILDREn who will live with the lost of an ignorant parent who died ONLY because they were to STUPID to know that YOU WILL NOT WIN in a battle with law inforcement at the time of an arrest! Think about it!!

That sound like a threat to me. I pray to God I hope you are not a Police Officer, yet you wonder why soo many Bahamians do not have respect for any of them. You are a prime example of stupidy at its best.

blkisleboy
07-08-08, - 09:32 PM
there is SOOOO much wrong with this post that I do not know where to begin... I do pray that you do not echo the sentiments of your colleagues however I wouldnt be suprised if you do...
There is such a thing as Civil Disobedience or in this case peaceful protest against an arrest... that is to do so PEACEfully resist or question what you deem as an unlawful arrest... am I advocating that everyone do this?... Hell No.. what I do say is that POLICE cannot apply the law to suit their will... they are bound to not only protect the law but enforce it in a LAWFUL fashion... What I do advocate is that citizens familiarize themselves with the law and their rights to prevent PIG HEADED officers from overstepping their boundaries and authority....shooting and killing someone who questions your motivation and justifcation for arrest does NOT warrant being KILLED... (I gather that is what you suggest)...
Rather than argue the case for citizens to just take what is given to them by officers who are ill-prepared both physically and mentally to police an animal farm let alone a country...what you should do is advocate that officers work on their person-to-person or interpersonal skills when dealing with the public.. while at it weed out the officers who give the "good" officers a bad name and maybe the pervailing attitude that the police aint worth S**t would be eradicated... just a thought though...
my friend all of what i said was obviously lost to you due to your hatred of police officers! first of all, your assumption that because I SUPPORT the hard working officers who sacrifice their lives daily for someone like YOU, I must be one of them is wrong! but thanks for classing me with such great company! NOW let me see if I can make clear even to YOU what I said before! IF a police officer arrests you unlawfully, GO peacefull with him!! later you WILL be able to get your rights SOMEWHERE!! I also said should you continue to resist the police At an arrest , that you will be killed! and chanes are that you will should you continue as they do have all rights to use ANY means necessary to affect that arrest! I NEVER and WILL never say that the police have a right to arrest anyone abitrarily!
What i said before and will say again, is Should the police come to arrrest you without reason, GO ALONG PEACEFULLY! as you WILL have your chance to take action later in other more equal forum! because YOU WILL NOT WIN AT THE SCENE!! I hope u understand me more clearly now my friend!!!

generalcrazy
07-08-08, - 09:42 PM
my friend all of what i said was obviously lost to you due to your hatred of police officers! first of all, your assumption that because I SUPPORT the hard working officers who sacrifice their lives daily for someone like YOU, I must be one of them is wrong! but thanks for classing me with such great company! NOW let me see if I can make clear even to YOU what I said before! IF a police officer arrests you unlawfully, GO peacefull with him!! later you WILL be able to get your rights SOMEWHERE!! I also said should you continue to resist the police At an arrest , that you will be killed! and chanes are that you will should you continue as they do have all rights to use ANY means necessary to affect that arrest! I NEVER and WILL never say that the police have a right to arrest anyone abitrarily!
What i said before and will say again, is Should the police come to arrrest you without reason, GO ALONG PEACEFULLY! as you WILL have your chance to take action later in other more equal forum! because YOU WILL NOT WIN AT THE SCENE!! I hope u understand me more clearly now my friend!!!

you trying to say babylon can kill someone if they resist arrest for not turning up to court to deal with parking or speeding ticket? what you idea of resist is?

this aint CUBA boss, this aint KOREA, THIS AINT CHINA
we is FREE people and the babylon is work for us.

They is peace officers, not death squads. They best start to learn that.
luckily most cops respect life more than you say they do, you puttin them out like they is gots rights to kill, when they dont, they are NOT judge and jury, nobody is.

blkisleboy
07-08-08, - 09:52 PM
you trying to say babylon can kill someone if they resist arrest for not turning up to court to deal with parking or speeding ticket? what you idea of resist is?

this aint CUBA boss
my good assumingly young friend! the REASON for the arrest is not the factor, the law says and i quote, any officer may ANY force NECESSARY to affect an arrrest!!! However the Force use cannot be greater than the resisting force! in other words, if a police officer comes to arrest you, and you resist to point where that officer fears for his life, he may legally Kill you! yes! even though it may have only been for a traffic ticket as you say! NOW however, should that happen, That officer have a LOT of explaining to do to justify that his life was in danger!! its not as simple as you resist so he kills you! i hope i was able to help with this explanation!

mafia princess
07-08-08, - 09:55 PM
Conch salad ain't got nothing on this story right here...mix the heck up


Sound like dude and the police woman have a fling gern on..and she get pissed and sent her cronies to get the fan and dvd player back ..chal I don't know something like that ..Glad noone was killed..

blkisleboy
07-08-08, - 09:57 PM
my good assumingly young friend! the REASON for the arrest is not the factor, the law says and i quote, any officer may ANY force NECESSARY to affect an arrrest!!! However the Force use cannot be greater than the resisting force! in other words, if a police officer comes to arrest you, and you resist to point where that officer fears for his life, he may legally Kill you! yes! even though it may have only been for a traffic ticket as you say! NOW however, should that happen, That officer have a LOT of explaining to do to justify that his life was in danger!! its not as simple as you resist so he kills you! i hope i was able to help with this explanation!
i know I may SOUND like a police officer, But I am just a knowlegable Bahamian who goes out of the way to know my rights! so i read law books etc. You should do the same!! you would then have a headstart on lots of officers!

generalcrazy
07-08-08, - 09:59 PM
my good assumingly young friend! the REASON for the arrest is not the factor, the law says and i quote, any officer may ANY force NECESSARY to affect an arrrest!!! However the Force use cannot be greater than the resisting force! in other words, if a police officer comes to arrest you, and you resist to point where that officer fears for his life, he may legally Kill you! yes! even though it may have only been for a traffic ticket as you say! NOW however, should that happen, That officer have a LOT of explaining to do to justify that his life was in danger!! its not as simple as you resist so he kills you! i hope i was able to help with this explanation!

im an old bag .. but since you put it that way, yes it make sense. ofcourse if they feel like their life is in danger, ANYONE has a right to defend it, and they all will have to defend their actions in a court of law. I thought you meant say they tell the officer bey go suck my ting and walk away from them .. that aint life threatening, yes they going to get slap in the head for that but kill, no way, babylon dont do like that here. so really they are not allowed to use ANY force NECESSARY. ofcourse allowed to and what they can do is 2 different things, many stories of illegal police brutality and most are true, its cause of the the type of people they hire as babylon, gangsters and thugs, not all are bad though, bad appls ruin the lot though.

blkisleboy
07-08-08, - 10:18 PM
im an old bag .. but since you put it that way, yes it make sense. ofcourse if they feel like their life is in danger, ANYONE has a right to defend it, and they all will have to defend their actions in a court of law. I thought you meant say they tell the officer bey go suck my ting and walk away from them .. that aint life threatening, yes they going to get slap in the head for that but kill, no way, babylon dont do like that here. so really they are not allowed to use ANY force NECESSARY. ofcourse allowed to and what they can do is 2 different things, many stories of illegal police brutality and most are true, its cause of the the type of people they hire as babylon, gangsters and thugs, not all are bad though, bad appls ruin the lot though.
ill give you a more intersting thought! do you know that let say you are walking along Bay street, and NO crime has been committed, but an officer see you and he BELEIVES that you committed a crime, and he stops you and you run, and he have no other way of catching you, that officer can legally kill you! even though no crime was committed? ask any officer you know, he'll tell you!

adidasboi987
07-08-08, - 10:20 PM
my friend all of what i said was obviously lost to you due to your hatred of police officers! first of all, your assumption that because I SUPPORT the hard working officers who sacrifice their lives daily for someone like YOU, I must be one of them is wrong! but thanks for classing me with such great company!


hmmm... CAREFUL!!...

NOW let me see if I can make clear even to YOU what I said before!


LOL.... cute...

“Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth”


IF a police officer arrests you unlawfully, GO peacefull with him!! later you WILL be able to get your rights SOMEWHERE!! I also said should you continue to resist the police At an arrest , that you will be killed! and chanes are that you will should you continue as they do have all rights to use ANY means necessary to affect that arrest! I NEVER and WILL never say that the police have a right to arrest anyone abitrarily

What i said before and will say again, is Should the police come to arrrest you without reason, GO ALONG PEACEFULLY! as you WILL have your chance to take action later in other more equal forum! because YOU WILL NOT WIN AT THE SCENE!! I hope u understand me more clearly now my friend!!!

your suggestions hold no weight to REALITY... Knowingly or Unknowingly you paint the police as the BIG BAD wild boys of the west.... Maybe so in your world but...If I feel that Police officers are arresting me unlawfully I will not go with them... and at the scene I will contact my lawyer ON THE SCENE... you speak under the assumption however that the system works... when the reality is that oftentimes it doesn't... Police officers have killed people in this country and to date the families of the deceased are still awaiting JUSTICE... Corrupt officers have detained supposed "suspects" and planted paraphernalia on them in attempts to make cases against people... and I should willingly go?... if the arrest is unlawful I am duty bound as a citizen to peacefully protest and resist... No UNIFORM can take that right away from me... But thats just me....

asterz57
07-08-08, - 10:20 PM
ill give you a more intersting thought! do you know that let say you are walking along Bay street, and NO crime has been committed, but an officer see you and he BELEIVES that you committed a crime, and he stops you and you run, and he have no other way of catching you, that officer can legally kill you! even though no crime was committed? ask any officer you know, he'll tell you!

You cause me had to blow da dust of my criminal justice text books. The only time "deadly force" can be used by a Police Officer is if the suspect is armed with a dangerous weapon and the Officer suspects his life or that of a civilian is in danger. Using excessive force do not necessarily mean killing the person. It could simple mean incapactating the individual so that an arrest can be made. The issue with "deadly force" is that the Police Officer have to show justification for using it. Half of the time Police Officers here are not justified in using that.

Ive been around Police Officers who said in all their years of being an officer they maybe draw their weapon once. Some say that they never even fired their weapon. I guess only in the Bahamas Police Officers can lick off shots everyday and nobody see anything wrong with it.