You are reading more into my post than was there. They were questions indeed! And I did not object to your offerings. Your subsequent posts have gone on to explain your position in a clearer manner. That was all I was asking of you.

I should also point out that this thread is about illegal persons. The subject you raise is completely different. The workers you complain about are (99% I should imagine) legal. The question we should ask is why is it that business' here would rather go to the extra expense, and considerable difficulty (dealing with immigration etc.) to hired foreigner workers?


Yeah, perhaps I am, perhaps I am being a bit paranoid; I’ll try to express myself with a bit more patience and calmness, where it is possible.

Yeah, perhaps I am, perhaps I am being a bit paranoid; I’ll try to express myself with a bit more patience and calmness, where it is possible.

Thank you, but I enjoy your postings. Don't change too much! :)

Well it seems as if the Christian council only speaks when it is neccessary or to gain popularity....... we are soon on the verge of a civil war in this country remember you heard it here first.......i have visited the Elethera island recently and have seen traditional Bahamian communities being replaced by the haitian community......one in the north.....known as black wood no Bahamian hardly dare go there......in Palmetto point there is at least five haitians to one bahamian.......believe it or not.....it seems also that the department of immigration is turning ablind eye to this situation everytime someone complains to them they always reply, there is no money to deal with it but however they always end up with a work permit after landing here illegally.......something that makes you go Hmmmmmm.......i wonder if thats a new racket am saying to the minister to stop making these sweet speeches and get a hold of his officers and get them to do their jobs what they are paid to do...also with adequate funding to do so....because every community is being over run by illegal immigrants namely haitians who are sometimes lawless because of their culture soon bahamians s are going to take the law into their hands God forbid and that will be the day we have war in the bahamas bahamians against haitians think about the many in our different government agencies working, think about it..... we had two major hurricanes worth of fresh wind now is the time for some help and hope


See i told that bs was going to happen.....nassau village will a joke to compare to some other areas in the bahamas

You know what? i'm tired of hearing and talking about this crises that we supposedly have! The government knows what they have to do and they need to stop toying around with the situation. Are they afraid or something? they cant do raids and apprehensions? They have to do what needs to be done no matter what they think. If there is going to be a riot then we'll just have to put it down, sometimes there's no way around these things. Now I have no problem with anyone wanting to come into this country, but it needs to be done legally. If you want to become a citezen of this country thie first thing you need to learn is to follow laws. I dont care who you are. nobody should come in here unoticed, use up resources on the expense of taxpayers get off scott free because the government's conscience is larger than their capacity to administer justice! "They only come for a better life" is not an excuse for this! There's no wet/dry foot policy like the cubans have, no asylim cases allowed, only one way to get in and thats with a visa. If you dont have it GET ONE! and thats for all who wish to come!

i agree, but they cant (or dont want to) even do raids on known drug dealers, everyone knows where they live and who they are ..so do the police, and drugs is the cause behind the majority of crime in our country. I wonder if they have ever heard of 'stings' and 'undercover' and 'informants' .. then again the illegal immigrant situation is probably in the hands on the immigration .. Police are doing a good job in general (except for our useless road traffic) but with proper adminstration they could be 'accomplishing' much more. Throwing crack heads in prison is not fixing the underlying problem, distribution.



we are going to start with you first. :taped: :dunce: :realmad: :rip: chief crackhead :hammer: :hot:

We've all been running on with this "crises" for the longest time.
WE HAVE AN IMMIGRATION PROBLEM. That's stating the obvious but lets all keep in mind that our immigration problem doesn't stem only from Haiti. Illegal immigrants in the Bahamas come from all social classes, races and levels of eduacation. Lets not blind ourselves to the fact that illegal immigrants come in many varied packages. Though that is true we also cannot blind ourselves that most of the illegal immigrants come from Haiti. They are estimated to make up a quarter of our population and since Haiti isnt changing for the better in our immediate future we should start addressing the issue from our side because no one will do it for us.
TAKE A LOOK AT US. From what I'm hearing in alot of these posts we need to change our attitudes about how we treat other human beings. Just because they come from a country that isn't doing so well doesn't mean we must burden ourselves with superiority complexes. Stop dehumanizing Haitians and making them sound like cattle. Recognizing and sympathizing with their situation doesnt take away from us or take away our resolve to protect our country and enforce our immigration laws. If we are going to have something to say, say it in a way that gets things done.
THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS THAT NON-BAHAMIANS NEED TO UNDERSTAND. A previous post from an american stated that we shouldn't turn away Haitians because we're all black, another said that we as black people should stick together....we're all african descendants or something to that effect. Well here's a news flash, stop using racism to give us a guilt trip . We are a sovereign nation and we have every right to enforce our laws. Everyone has ancestors from somewhere else, and as time has passed we have legitimized our existence as Bahamians and as time progressed we chose how to govern ourselves by making laws and those laws should be respected by everyone who sets foot on our shores across the board.DO NOT CONFUSE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS WITH DISCRIMINATION. We dont claim to be a perfect country with perfect people ,and yes incidents of discrimination do occur but what country in the world is void of such things. It's no excuse, but everywhere U go with the good comes the bad. We are in a unique situation in the region, being one of the most stable and economically sound countries with a small population in the hemisphere sandwiched between two economically and politically problematic countries with large poplations numbering in the millions, and our dominating neigbour to the north (the U.S.). We have a limited number of jobs and a high cost of living. Illegal immigrants are a detriment to our economic and social stability. Their large populations migration to our shores even in the smallest percentage will very quickly outnumber our own and put a tremendous strain on our already burdened social services & they BLATANTLY take advantage of the benifits that were made to accomodate our small society. The wage gap they create by working for menial wages is detrimental to us all. The job market is already struggling with thousands of Bahamians left unemployed with serious Bills to pay while the illegal immigrant with very little overhead strains our education system with their children, takes advantage of our healthcare sector and makes our ministry of Labour and Immigration look like a joke (though its not necessarily their fault) and make it hard to get a job that pays a decent wage. U CANT COMPARE THE BAHAMAS TO THE U.S. We simply cant handle the number of illegals.
HAITIANS NEED TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AS WELL. THE BAHAMAS IS NOT A DOORMAT! YOU HAVE TO RESPECT OUR LAWS. LACK OF LAW AND ORDER IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU LEFT HAITI SO DONT CREATE THE SAME SITUATIONS HERE! You have to respect our laws and if you are an illegal immigrant you start off on the wrong foot to begin with ( that applies to ALL illegals.) Dont make the place you are the place you left. Making an illegal situation into a legal one will never help the Bahamas, Haiti or any other nation for that matter.
I'VE STATED THE PROBLEMS AND SITUATIONS SO NOW I MUST OFFER A SOLUTION. Since the government wont act we need to be more proactive. The Bahamian government is a reactionary one so let Bahamians be the ones they react to, no one will do it for us. If we wait for the immigrants to provoke them into action we might as well stop the discussion. Dont wait for any 2007 elections to come and solve a problem, they have to start hearing us now so that by the time the elections get here if they have done nothing they will have no choice to address it or lose office and be held accountable for their blatant ignorance. Get on these MP's case. Start picketing and having peaceful protests outside their offices. Get some petitions started with like minded Bahamians. Start calling their offices and give them a piece of your mind (do it nicely though) belive me if U want Mr. Vincent Peet's number or that of his secretary dont hesitate to ask me for it. Make an appointment to speak with them either as an individual or group. If you know they have an appearance somewhere start showin up and protesting. if there is one thing we can learn from some of the illegal immigrants in our country's its their sense of entitlement. WE as the Bahamian public should feel entitled to a direct dialog with these people that are our supposed representatives.Look at the titles these people posess, what we let them have "Minister of Labour and Immigration"= our jobs and our borders. do U think that he is doing his job as effectively as he could? "Minister of Foreign Affairs and Public Service" has he stepped up to the plate as best he could? "Deputy Prime Minister & Minister of National security" do U feel secure with this woman in charge of National security? If not let them have it. Let Cuba and Haiti be an example of how leadership affects the path a country goes down and how important the voice of the people are.
Ask Mr. Peet to explain article 6 of the Bahamian constitution to U. dont be scared.
HERE'S HOW I THINK WE SHOULD APPROACH OUR IMMIGRATION PROBLEM. Setup a hotline where bahamians can report supsected illegals where it can be investigated and looked into a TIMELY AND EFFICIENT MANNER. Announce this hotline number on the radio, T.V public service announcemnts, the newspaper U name it. Have a MASS DEPORTATION OF ALL ILLEGALs, :sailing: Canadians, Jamaicans, British whomever,all equal under the law no papers U leave :hammer: .
With regards to Haiti set up a tight border along our southern edges andSetup a guest worker program.
We need to develop our agricultural sector to become more agriculturally independent to import less, and very few if any Bahamians want to work in agriculture so set up a guest worker program where Haitians work through the Bahamian Embassy in Haiti to get a guest worker pass to work in the Bahamas. As a guest worker in the Bahamas it is understood before U arrive here that :
1) this does not make U eligible for residency or citizenship and
2) any children that U bear as a guest worker will not be entitled for residency or citizenship as well.
3) If the project or task you are working on ends or dissolves, you go home
* With regards to pay your pay will be divided into three parts with the first two parts (a) & (b) negotiated on an individual basis.
a) a percentage will be kept here for your housing,food, healthcare etc,
b)the second part/percentage can be sent back to family members in Haiti
and
c) the third part will be funneled back into the Ministry of Labour and immigration to help with the repatriation of illegals, border patrol, air and sea craft etc.

This system can work however if we clean up house ourselves.
1)All corrupt officials and officers shall be fired immediately. We must
establish watchdog agencies to weed out corrupt members of our
government. If more watchdog agencies existed in sectors of our
government and public services can you imagine how streamlined and
efficient things in the Bahamas would run.
2) Install cameras in all of our detention centers. Rory pls help our
government out with their security systems (lol). If we make our
immigration department more transparent then everyone can be held
accountable for their actions, no one can point fingers, and Human rights
groups like can get off our backs.
3) Know that all children born of illegal parentage are given the citzenship of
their mothers country and if that country denies them that they are not
entitled to any kind of status from the bahamian government.
4) Bahamian Businesses that employ illegal should be SEVERELY fined.
5) We should be more vocal with the International communtiy to help Haiti (
they need to seriously stepup their efforts because what they're doing is
not enough). Get in contact with our Ambassador to the U.N Paulette
Bethel and ask her what sh'e doing about the situation.

If anyone has anything to add or critique about my comments PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO, AND DONT BE AFRAID TO ACT ON ANY OF IT. IF U NEED TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THE MINISTERS DONT BE SCARED. IF U DONT WANT TO LOOK THEM UP, ASK ME FOR THE PHONE NUMBER OR P.O. BOX ADDRESS OR OFFICE LOCATION ,I would be more than happy to give it to U. I am a student in the U. S. So I am being as active as I can from where I am and I sincerly hope that all other Bahamians will do the same. For once lets turn mumbling into action. :tup:

Please cyaneyed no repeat posting in the forum. You point will get across with one post or if you so choose you can create a thread.

You elaborated on investors and no one in their right mind can dispute what you said. The only thing is that this has nothing to do with what I am saying. However, the explanation is simple:
1. Why do we need foreigners occupying positions in our work forces when there are umpteen Bahamians who are qualified here and abroad?


2. What are we doing to encourage and to attract qualified Bahamians return home from school to work here instead of remaining and working abroad?


3. If we do, then why do we need foreigners here for long terms working in this country?


4. What good are the foreigners (professionals) working here when they do not patronize our businesses and culture (they shop abroad, how many of them vacation in our family islands)? These people are only occupational and their main interests are more personal than patriotic their interest is to serve themselves more than it does our country or theirs (they are more a hazard to any economy wherever they live or work, but that’s another subject). Overall, most of these foreigners have no concern for our affairs or the affairs of any country for that matter.

5. When we go to Florida or New York to live or shop, we go into many communities, neighborhoods and business district even dangerous zones wherever all to find good bargains (even getting lost some times). How many small businesses, black business owners or community business owners can say that foreigners who work here, the Indians, Canadians, Americans, and British etc come to their business and spend money?


6. What good are these foreigners working here when they export there salaries to their countries? How is this building our country? If you say their expertise, well then maybe, but we also have many Bahamian people who are just as qualified and willing, all that is necessary is some motivation and slope salaries are no motivation. Furthermore slope salaries devalue our economy and the value of this country it does not build it (on the contrary) and one does not need to be the governor of the central bank to know this.


7. What good are foreigners who accept lower salaries and we in returned are forced to accept lower salaries? In their country lower salaries here to them is their advantage simply because $1.00 could value as much as $10.00 in their country. When they have accumulated enough dollars they can return home and live well off whereas to us $1.00 is almost as low as 5 or 10 cents.


8. After achieving their goals there foreigners are replaced by other foreigners and they are glad to leave (they either return home or move on to countries such as the US or EU etc where the salary level are higher) they do not stay and fight with us for higher salaries. What good is this to us?


9. We are messing up our fragile and microscopic system for these individuals whom we seem to thing that we need, while we have no where to go but to suffer irrational decisions impose upon us by the small, petty and flimsy minds that rule and lead this country as we are stricken by the high-high prices of inflations that strangles us (not to mention mortgage loan interest rates, etc).


10. We have not even reached the point of FTAA yet and we are already at a disadvantage that we refuse to address. Why do we go on ignoring and criticizing the points that are behind time?


I can say a whole lot more but I can never mention all the concerns, but I have raised a point. I know that every thing is minus and plus, but I raised this very important matter in this thread simply to colorize this subject because all we have here is black and white pictures of the Haitian issue, but it is clear to me that no one want to talk about this but rather express their black and white pictures of the Haitians. Sure keep up the complains and the criticism, but we are well aware that the Haitians will not be going anywhere anytime soon, no sooner than the improvements that must come to Haiti.

Iupdate, many of these questions regarding foreigners working here need to be asked of the government. This is someting the government has been allowing now for about 60 or 70 years, maybe even longer!

:usa: :usa: I feel that you are right no one is paying any attention to this. I have family in the Bahamas and it seems as if the haitians are trying to take over a country that is not theirs. I was told by a friend that it is a certian part of Nassau that the Haitain community does not want anbahamian to enter. What is going on?

I was told by a friend that it is a certian part of Nassau that the Haitain community does not want anbahamian to enter.


What part of Nassau is this?

Kelly's Garden Center - hmmm - mechanical devices they dont know how to use :D


No seriously Rory because it has been my observation that there isn't hardly any area left in Nassau that one can actually call a "Haitian Village". The few that exist are borrowed space that is soon to be taken back by low cost housing developers. So when I read statements like that is makes me think how could this be possible when these people really have no where to live. These rumors to me is the product of fear and fear only leads to hatred and hatred to violence.

i agree ... people are scared of the big bad wolf, which really doesnt exist ..
its like we are going back in time if yah know what I mean, and with a spin on it ...

rory


I believe that we have more to fear from our own people than foreigners. Who has done us more wrong than the same people that bare our nationality?

wait for the flames now from the so called "patriots" ..

hey, what you doing up so late ...

rory


They will be alright :D
I am up trying to make some money. It's sad but most of my business contacts are now eating lunch when I should be sleeping :(

I feel you. Thank God or coffee :tup: I must spend at least $200.00 per month at On the Run. But hey, back to the issue at hand.

What part of Nassau is this?
There Is One Right Of Joe Farrington Road.