There Is One Right Of Joe Farrington Road.


How big is the area and what do you believe to be the population of Haitians living there?

i agree ... people are scared of the big bad wolf, which really doesnt exist ..
its like we are going back in time if yah know what I mean, and with a spin on it ...

rory

Wow,
I'm surprised at this statement, Rory. Misunderstanding is a dangerous thing in itself and while there have been some extreme instances of "patriotism", do you claim that there really is no cause for concern in terms of illegal Haitian immigrants?

Same thing with you Delroy. Can you honestly tell me that there is nothing at all to worry about (or fear) when you read the newspapers and see that many crimes are being committed by a subculture that is inherently Bahamian but foreign in descent?

We are walking on a thin line in terms of being our "brother's keeper". Not all immigrants are "coming to take over", but we should be concerned in terms of the numbers - 400 of them so far (that have been caught) and we are just beginning the second month of the year? Ok...of course there is nothing to worry about. :uh:

I myself see that culturally we had better get to used to what has been allowed to take place. I openly support any legal immigrant to this nation, but this is a time when the line has to be drawn for the purposes of protecting The Commonwealth of The Bahamas. There is no "spin" on this issue and as long as we have those who do not have the foresight to deal with the issues NOW, it will become even more of a problem.

Here's a suggestion: Look at the situation from the standpoint of the laws of the Bahamas and the rights given by those laws to the Bahamian citizens governed by them. It makes the situation less personal, and a whole lot clearer. Do we allow Bahamian governmental laws to be abused and exploited in such an outrageous manner by foreign entities? If so, why do we have a Bahamian government? Also, why should Bahamian citizens respect and follow such a weak system of government that allows the country to be slowly inundated by a foreign presence who breaks Bahamian law to get here?

the majority, is bahamian, whether you'd like to call them bahamian or not, if they are born here, they are bahamian.

You missed the point of my entire statement. (inherently Bahamian, foreign descent - a separate subculture)

What Laws??? "We in this country" (edited for highly critical members of this forum) dont abide by laws in general (which laws are actually ever enforced), so the immigrants probably see this as normal.
:shaky:

got to fix the normal legal system first which barely exists, then we can worry about a smaller community of immigrants breaking the laws .. its hypocritical to judge others for not following the law, when one doesnt do it themselves. ..

Oh...so what you are saying is that that every government should make sure that there is no "local" crime before they stop illegal immigrants coming into their country? Is that correct?

Let me make sure to get this right...and I'll use myself and another country (the U.S.) as an example:

What you're implying is that the U.S. government should allow me to enter their country illegally to work, start a family without paying taxes or utilities, build my house on land I dont own and get free healthcare AND education simply because they already have so many U.S. citizens breaking the laws of the U.S.?

OK...

No, it was an example to show you how our laws are being exploited.

It was an example to refute your statement that since Bahamians break our laws then foreigners are just as welcome to break the laws in our country. What kind of rationale is that?

I MYSELF, dont think that ANYONE should be breaking the laws, be they haitian or bahamian.

Quite correct and it should go without saying - alas, in needs to be said here in these islands, often!

Wow,
I'm surprised at this statement, Rory. Misunderstanding is a dangerous thing in itself and while there have been some extreme instances of "patriotism", do you claim that there really is no cause for concern in terms of illegal Haitian immigrants?

Same thing with you Delroy. Can you honestly tell me that there is nothing at all to worry about (or fear) when you read the newspapers and see that many crimes are being committed by a subculture that is inherently Bahamian but foreign in descent?
I can honestly tell you that we have nothing to fear but ourselves becoming oppressors of our own brothers and sisters. There are many reasons why crimes are committed but I believe that the number one cause for most haitian/bahamian committed crimes are years of oppression by Bahamians. I grew up listening to my peers calling each other "Haitian" as though it was an insult. Even then it was normal to hear adults use these racial slurs around each other and directed towards children. How common was it to hear the words "Haitian and AZZ" in the same sentence? I am sure that you can't count the times you have witnessed this.

Ask yourself why so many crimes are committed by Black Americans in the United States and you will better understand what I am saying. If you oppress a dog long enough he will turn on you. The reason why so many Bahamians now have a problem with Haitians is because they are advancing in our society. This is not a problem for me because God has given me the power to advance myself also. When they were little "humble" people who would weed your yard for pennies and a dime everything was cool. But now it's hard to find a "Daddy" who could do your lawn for less than $80.00 so now we have a problem. Yes! We now have Haitians who want to teach, preach and become lawyers and doctors and police officers. They want to send their kids off to IV League Schools and become business owners so now we have a problem.

Are we in Egypt? Shall we be like Pharaoh also? Who; when he saw the Israelites advancing he sought to oppress them even further? I am sure that us as Bahamians don't want God to rise up a Moses for the Haitians here because it wont be a pretty picture. Let's be careful not to continue to oppress one another because it's the main reason for the situation that we are now facing. Let us seek to end this cycle because in fact we are all living in a foreign land.

.... I am sure that us as Bahamians don't want God to rise up a Moses for the Haitians here because it wont be a pretty picture....
I would venture to say that could indeed happen. A "Moses" has always risen out of oppression, or even perceived oppression. It is only a matter of time! His word would fall on ears ready to hear!

How big is the area and what do you believe to be the population of Haitians living there?
I Can Not Answer this because as previously stated Bahamians are not allowed in there.I do know that they have a disco :friday: & :chicken: fights in there :hot:

I Can Not Answer this because as previously stated Bahamians are not allowed in there.I do know that they have a disco :friday: & :chicken: fights in there :hot:


Yeah and let's not forget the Voodoo and Zombies. :sarcastic:
You see Marichal if you had the population you would have the facts but right now you can only discuss what you have heard.

I can honestly tell you that we have nothing to fear but ourselves becoming oppressors of our own brothers and sisters. There are many reasons why crimes are committed but I believe that the number one cause for most haitian/bahamian committed crimes are years of oppression by Bahamians. I grew up listening to my peers calling each other "Haitian" as though it was an insult. Even then it was normal to hear adults use these racial slurs around each other and directed towards children. How common was it to hear the words "Haitian and AZZ" in the same sentence? I am sure that you can't count the times you have witnessed this.

Ask yourself why so many crimes are committed by Black Americans in the United States and you will better understand what I am saying. If you oppress a dog long enough he will turn on you. The reason why so many Bahamians now have a problem with Haitians is because they are advancing in our society. This is not a problem for me because God has given me the power to advance myself also. When they were little "humble" people who would weed your yard for pennies and a dime everything was cool. But now it's hard to find a "Daddy" who could do your lawn for less than $80.00 so now we have a problem. Yes! We now have Haitians who want to teach, preach and become lawyers and doctors and police officers. They want to send their kids off to IV League Schools and become business owners so now we have a problem.

Are we in Egypt? Shall we be like Pharaoh also? Who; when he saw the Israelites advancing he sought to oppress them even further? I am sure that us as Bahamians don't want God to rise up a Moses for the Haitians here because it wont be a pretty picture. Let's be careful not to continue to oppress one another because it's the main reason for the situation that we are now facing. Let us seek to end this cycle because in fact we are all living in a foreign land.

You're looking at things from an interesting angle, and one that I do agree with in a way. Prejudice has taken place in the past, but your argument is fundamentally flawed and attempts to excuse a foreign entity potentially preparing to rise up in your own country. My brother, read your own words carefully.

Your statement is basically implying that because of a history of strained relationships, we should just open our borders! It's implying that we should expect that they will attempt to manipulate our country in some way to gain power - Are you saying that it is owed to them in some way?

No, this is not Egypt. This is the Commonwealth of The Bahamas - A country that did not fully understand many years ago why nations have borders and immigrant control. The problem at hand is that no matter what "wrongs" have occurred in the past or what is going on now in their country, we have to protect OUR SOVEREIGNTY. Repatriation of ALL illegal immigrants should occur as humanely as possible and absolutely be done to its completion (not halfway or intermittently). This is Bahamian immigration law.

Bahamians have thrown so many angles at this problem that I see why there is little chance of it being solved anytime soon. We need people who do not confuse the issue of what has been written into our constitution and law books to protect the rights of Bahamian citizens. At this point we have some people bringing racial ties into the equation to excuse their being here illegally (Guilt-trip) . We have people saying that they have been oppressed and that Bahamians do not want to see them move up in life (Another misguided guilt-trip). We have people saying that the problem is not as bad as we think it is (Denial). We even have people saying that repatriation is useless 'cause they are already here (Surrender). All of these excuses do not mask the fact that The Bahamas is being exploited in a way that is slowly changing the face of the country and the Bahamian way of life. Are Bahamians truly that gullible?

If a government simply allows a foreign entity to invade their country virtually undeterred and free to use its resources, there is no doubt that the entity will continue to spread throughout the land, eventually integrating into and reshaping that society until the original host is replaced or assimilated. If any Bahamian is fine with that, then why do we call this country The Bahamas? Let's just give it away then!

Overall I think that many Bahamians, expecially some of those in government, do not have the love for their country that they should. Why else would we allow a situation to go on that we clearly see will present even more challenges to what is Bahamian?

Pa·tri·ot·ism
Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
: love for or devotion to one's country (Above ALL others, may I add)

think about it, though ... recent newspaper article showed that 25% of all bahamians now have one of their children born in the u.s., so as to take advantage of lower medical costs, education costs, etc.

what's the difference, immigration-wise, in a diversified economy? i am pretty tired of bahamians not calling a spade a spade here, and recognizing that the haitian situation here is one of our own making. so, we have paid them like peasants for the past 50 years instead of recognizing their historical contributions to this country and part of the world ... now the chickens are coming home to roost!

I see what you're saying gal, but the difference is

A nation of 300,000 people (Bahamas)

versus

a nation of 300,000,000 people (US)

The entire population of the Bahamas could move to the US and not have much of a effect. Do you see?

Using the current rate of illegal persons being caught, which some persons boast is only a small percentage of the actual number of persons who leave Haiti to come to The Bahamas:

400 "uncaught" immigrants per month multiplied by 12 = 4800 persons per year

Let's assume that they do NOT have any children and the rate remains the same over 10 years = 48,000 illegal immigrants in a small nation of 300,000.

Do the math and then think about how we are only now beginning to close the immigration doors. Can you imagine how many of them came here over the PAST 10 years? And how many children who have been born?

The way I see it whenever discussions come around for F.T.A.A, if the Immigration situation continues TO BE THE SAME we need not sign onto the Free Movement of People area because WE ALREADY HAVE THAT!!!!!! :dgi:

Hi Koolbonze, Voodoo is a "religion" that is steeped in obeah and witchcraft, and these are the things that God hates, they are an abomination to Him according to the Bible.

Apparently there are other Caribbean islands that practise Voodoo and word is on the street that it is here in the Bahamas also (hopefully on a much smaller scale).

In Christian circles it is believed that countries which practise this cult (as it is also called), will gradually collapse like a house of cards.

Hey Great Demos,
In the Christian faith, we are being taught that any other religion other than Christianity is the wrong religion. Consequently, all the Jews, Hindi, Budahs, and of course the Voodoo men are going to hell....