It's already too late to mass deport them if you ask me, especially since they are marrying bahamians. Those who ain't marriied but with kids will speak out if you try to send their half-haitian kids to Haiti!

I guess we just got to learn creole, I can get by with french I guess. But I think we are already unseparable.

If they would simply raid those villages and deport all illegals and then tighten up the boarder patrol, it could make a big change.

Ha, pretty soon we'll be a Bahamian/Haitian/Christian(???) nation.

Now that's funny.

It's already too late to mass deport them if you ask me, especially since they are marrying bahamians. Those who ain't marriied but with kids will speak out if you try to send their half-haitian kids to Haiti!......

You might be right! If a situation is allowed to fester for too long only the most drastic of surgeries will fix it, or one just lets the patient die. I think we have chosen the latter!

our landscape has changed drastically. no more bahamian lunch vendors, on construction sites.it has been overtaken by haitian labour.while i understand the plight,of some contractors,finding young bahamians to work
i still feel for the most part it is cheap labour.we really have problems,like iupdate said we will just be known as bahamian haitians. some twenty years later we will have junkanoo mixed with haitian folklore. boil fish, and peas & rice, would have been replaced by greo,a popular haitian dish. very sobering indeed.

A great part of the truth that makes the effort of deporting the Haitians or any foreigner and making it work (for that matter) is politics and big business (not to mention the mad mad desires for love affairs with our foreign brothers). Haitian business is big business and can yield up to as little as $1500.00 and as much as $25,000.00 per head in some case even as much as $100,000 per head depending who they are and what they are. Now that one have tasted this sweet blood is most likely to turn this into big business. Any one with some a little success in this area, anyone with interest period, any one who is smart enough, any one with some authority or connection to influence can hinder or loophole the deportation process. As long as the Haitian business continues to be big business the effort to keep them out will fail. The facts are simple it is not the Haitians alone that is the problem or that is stirring this into a fear that we will soon be over taken by Haitians, but rather we Bahamian born and raised citizens who have sold our birth rite and is willing to sell our souls more less our country for big balance sheets and to feed our bad habits like vampires.

Yurickbrown mention a civilians and reconnaissance mission effort that can work, it is a good call, but it alone will work to a point, this problem is beyond resources or assets alone. While any effort we put into play can be circumvent I do not suggest throwing our hands up in the air like we do not care, no, no, not at all. What we need in this country more than any thing else are preventive and corrective measures that works with a flexibility and speed to change where necessary, a measure that competes with those who are constantly breaking the law or successfully finding loopholes in the law for their purpose. What we need in this country are many things and one such effort would be watch dog agencies (and agencies watching or policing agencies, institutions, ministries, etc.) where the government has no funding or influence.

We can go one mentioning many ideas or not mention any ideas but a big and huge resourceful country like the USA, RU and EU, etc are still learning and are still putting agencies or efforts into play even as we speak. The thing here in the Bahamas is that we sit and wait for the US and other countries to tell us what to do. We sit and wait for the problem to escalate and then we put some half-way makeshift effort into play and sit back and relax never updating it, refusing to acknowledge the result or even to survey the idea and to honestly report the result or idea as it is.

Yoricbrown you have mentioned the possibility of drugs coming in on the Haitian boats, this is a clever surmise. Drugs coming in on the Haitian boats and in their villages into this country, I really don’t see this as any serious realistic possibility even though it is possible, given the facts that they are risking their lives mostly for survival would defeat their purpose. But given the facts that we anger them greatly and treat them with enormous unkindness while they are here, what I do see is these boats and villages heavily loaded with Caches of weapons their victory of a mini civil war --- all it would take for this to happen is for some third country (un-namely) to disagree with our government stands on certain policies (local or foreign) to encourage such efforts for whatever and whoever interest against us. Then again this is only hypothesis, I do not foresee this either act anytime soon. I say this because I see these people (even though we wished that they stay in their own country) are doing what they are doing for survival and they are rather peaceful and quiet multiplying in great great numbers, but sticking to themselves.

As much as I may agree with sending the Haitians back to where they came from, I do not understand why such extreme efforts are being places on the Haitians whereas there are already tons of other foreigners in strong hold positions. These foreigners are in great influential and prominent positions and are in great decision making positions deciding the outcome of the Bahamian people future and direction, they are deciding what matters are important and what matters are not and perhaps the Haitian problem that is to us may be in the hands of these foreigners and not the Bahamian people.

So while we go on beating up on the Haitians alone (because they are in greater numbers), while we turn our heads our country is already in the hands of a lesser number but more powerful group of foreigners. Why are we ignoring this? Why is this happening? There are many reasons, for one all of our best minds are being lost to foreign countries, our children are not returning home after they graduate from foreign schools (colleges or universities) and those who do most are not being taken seriously and find it tuff to obtain the area of their discipline or to find that these positions are occupied by foreigners and the majority of these positions are not occupied by Haitians but rather other foreign nationals that we are afraid to address here in this forum.

Most of my comments in this forum are usually ignored by most members, but I would prefer a respond even if you hammer away at it.

You're right on target, except for the drugs issue.

It is happening right now and the DEU have just begun to investigate the extent of the trade that the Haitian drugs lords are currently in. If Ninety and the rest of the crew were out of jail we probably would be having a serious drug war in this country.

Now that the guns and drug money in this country have shifted into foreign hands, it all makes me wonder how equipped our RBPF and RBDF are...

you know mediocrity is a bahamian talent.from the people we elect,to the way we give service. thats the reason why we are so far behind socially. we wait until things happen,then we raise this hullabaloo all over the airwaves.we simply need to get more involved in our national development.

Indeed we specialize in reactivity rather than proactivity.

I don't think the US and other big nations will help,
as the problem doesn't directly hurt them very much.
At the same time if we become overrun with immigrants
we will eventually have an economical collapse - which
inturn keeps us even more dependent on the big countries.

And last but not least I hope we get this problem resolved
before we lose lives via a civil war i.e. bahamians vs. haitians.

[QUOTE=Rory]
Well, the way it works in the rest of the world. If you are on vacation in the US for example, your girlfriend/wife has a child that child is automatically given status as a citizen by right, as now they have a birth certificate given to them by that government.

What you are drawing reference to is a legal situation. Legally visiting the U.S gives you that kind of priviledge. If you were there illegally in the U.S and had a child, you would still face deportation. YOU AND YOUR CHILD. Whose side are you on anyway?

[QUOTE=Rory]
Well, the way it works in the rest of the world. If you are on vacation in the US for example, your girlfriend/wife has a child that child is automatically given status as a citizen by right, as now they have a birth certificate given to them by that government.

What you are drawing reference to is a legal situation. Legally visiting the U.S gives you that kind of priviledge. If you were there illegally in the U.S and had a child, you would still face deportation. YOU AND YOUR CHILD. Whose side are you on anyway?



Well form his various posts he doesnt sound on the Bahamian side of things.

As much as I may agree with sending the Haitians back to where they came from, I do not understand why such extreme efforts are being places on the Haitians whereas there are already tons of other foreigners in strong hold positions. These foreigners are in great influential and prominent positions and are in great decision making positions deciding the outcome of the Bahamian people future and direction, they are deciding what matters are important and what matters are not and perhaps the Haitian problem that is to us may be in the hands of these foreigners and not the Bahamian people.

Most of my comments in this forum are usually ignored by most members, but I would prefer a respond even if you hammer away at it.



???
And just who are these foreigners " in great influential and prominent positions and are in great decision making positions deciding the outcome of the Bahamian people future and direction"?

And here I am thinking we were doing a pretty good job jacking up the country by ourselves. Who's "helping" us?

....bump

yah know im getting tired of that crap ..i try to help our bahamian people, giving them security products at US dealer cost prices, making nothing for myself, im still poor, 4 years now, yet some people still talk down to me that because i have real opinions of my own, it makes my anti something just because you like that something your way ... you dont know me, and you dont know how much I give to this country and my friends and people I dont even know here .. just please think before you post stuff like that .. just because we have different opinions and dont like the ways certain things are, doesnt mean disliking people from one country or another. I dont see people as being from 1 country - we are all one - all humans, all living creatures, and we all deserve the same respect, no matter of opinions, likes or dislikes.



I dont know you Rory, and that is the truth. But my opinion based on your posts is that you are very pro-American/European and anti-Bahamian. I cant remember any posts in which you had something positive to say about the Bahamas. Either you were attacking some aspect of the Bahamian way of life, or simply complaining, and constantly making reference to the US and their way of things. For me it is fustrating, particularly when it comes from a Bahamian.

And I am not talking down to you, that is not my intent but I am just giving you my opinion.

We are all different people and the way we may choose to tackle issues will never be the same. Maybe anti-Bahamian was too strong of a word, but I guess I just dont like alot of negativity without a bit of positives to throw in, that is just me. But in any event you are very much permitted to deal with issues the way you want, and I the way I want, that is a right held by all on this forum, as long as we maintain respect for one another. So apologies for my statements, and have a Kalik on me, just send me the tab via Canada Post. :D :cheers:.

rory do seem to look at things bahamian, perjoratively. but nevertheless,he has his opinion. and he contributes to this forum.

Well we are not here to discuss how 'great' things are, the forum is called bahamas 'issues', hence is a place to voice your opinion on issues pertaining to current 'issues' in the Bahamas, we have no local public arena to do this.

How great this or that is can be left to tourist boards. What is wrong with wanting something to be done correct, when i do something, it has to be done right, or there is no point in doing it. As far as you appear to say in your previous post, wanting better is anti bahamian. I am for better and getting things done right, if that in your mind is anti bahamian, then i will let you draw your own conclusions, as yes, it is your opinion, and you are entitled to that. Everyone else can draw their own conclusions, and the people I help, will know either way.

PS. I am not pro european, anti bahamian, pro american, or pro canadian. I would like things done right, otherwise dont bother doing them for me. I do the same for others, always do it right, call me a perfectionist if you must, not anti-bahamian. If that is the american, european, or canadian way, thats up to you. I dont see that as being a way of any country, just the lack of doing something the way it should be done. If I want a ham and cheese sandwich, then why would you give me a ham sandwich without cheese? Just as an example ... I paid for the cheese darnit :-) I dont know you either, but I DO respect you.


I agree with Rory, things need to be done right, I am starting to feel that halfway is the Bahamian way. Go to a mcdonalds over here and go to one in the states - which do you prefer? The orders are never right, I don't even go there anymore. ANd why must you wait like 15 minutes for *fast* food? As a rule I only go where I get good and fast service.

I would dare say, if we had more Rory's the Bahamas would have a better standard of living.

(putting on my body armor for the backlash)