I would dare say, if we had more Rory's the Bahamas would have a better standard of living.

(putting on my body armor for the backlash)

No problem with that. I myself like Rory's style. At times he seems to come across a bit rough, but so what! To me he's a take-charge-get-the ball-rolling kind of guy who believes in doing the right things in the right way, and that is very commendable [reminds me of me, if I may say so].

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And just who are these foreigners " in great influential and prominent positions and are in great decision making positions deciding the outcome of the Bahamian people future and direction"?

And here I am thinking we were doing a pretty good job jacking up the country by ourselves. Who's "helping" us?

They are foreigners! They are white, some are lawyers, some are MDs, some are business people, some are millionaires and on and on, I know what I was saying when I said “It is not the Haitian people that we hate; it is that we do not find pleasure in the burden that a lower level of an intellectual race of people bring to our environment or place upon our economy and health structure. If they were the Americans, Lithuanians, Russians, Germans, British or French etc (and we do have lots of them some who are pressing our economy and suppressing and deceiving the Bahamian people and yet I do not see as much fuss on this, more on this later). If the Haitians were white or if they were MDs or Attorneys or millionaires I am certain our attitude would not be the same or to this extreme.” #101 (Posts: 133).
I don't think I need to prove this to you; you can go ahead and check this out for yourself. If you do not believe me, check it out for your self you will be surprise to know what you learn for yourself.
As bad as this might be the real problem is; there is very little or nothing at all we can do about this - unless and until we unite ourselves the advantage of this country is pretty much & more on the side of the foreigner!

They are foreigners! They are white, some are lawyers, some are MDs, some are business people, some are millionaires and on and on, I know what I was saying when I said “It is not the Haitian people that we hate; it is that we do not find pleasure in the burden that a lower level of an intellectual race of people bring to our environment or place upon our economy and health structure. If they were the Americans, Lithuanians, Russians, Germans, British or French etc (and we do have lots of them some who are pressing our economy and suppressing and deceiving the Bahamian people and yet I do not see as much fuss on this, more on this later). If the Haitians were white or if they were MDs or Attorneys or millionaires I am certain our attitude would not be the same or to this extreme.” #101 (Posts: 133).
I don't think I need to prove this to you; you can go ahead and check this out for yourself. If you do not believe me, check it out for your self you will be surprise to know what you learn for yourself.
As bad as this might be the real problem is; there is very little or nothing at all we can do about this - unless and until we unite ourselves the advantage of this country is pretty much & more on the side of the foreigner!

So, we don't really have a problem with thousands of Haitians? The problem is a handful of White guys? :sarcastic

So, we don't really have a problem with thousands of Haitians? The problem is a handful of White guys? :sarcastic


As is every country that has a flux of migrants, but if you do not have a problem with a few white guys then I don’t have a problem with the Haitians (this is according to you). I see you condone the white guys and the millionaires and the MDs and consultants etc one or ten thousand it makes no different they are all foreigners. If they are watching this site then they just learned that you gave them the Ok to come, stay, work dominate or do whatever if they like as long as they are not Haitian, fair to say, that’s great! They are all welcome to stay that is what you just said, well then, the Haitians are also welcome, I have no problem with this (according to you). My problem is that we don’t seem to know what to do and can’t seem to do anything right.

Yes Iupdate, but we're not talking about a few haitians, we're talking about hundreds every other week!...THe "white guys" you seem to have a problem with contribute to society on a larger scale than the Haitians and you cannot deny this.....The indians, and Germans etc, may come here and do business yes,....and make money yes....but they pay for their services they get here in the meantime,...they create businesses where local bahamians can get jobs, advance themselves and elevate themselves intellectually; enabling them to branch out and start their own businesses.

The same foreigners you talk about own alot of banks in the bahamas....and hotels.....and how many Bahamians work for these businesses and make a living? How many of them use the funds and skills they obtain from these jobs and start their own businesses? ALOT!!! probably alot of people in your own family....As in mine as well.

The difference is that they are foreigners...not illegal immigrants. Immigrants flood the society and systems set in place to help a country function cohesively. Foreigners, come in....invest/create business opportunities and most leave when the main tasks are completed and leave others behind Bahamians included to manage and operate the businesses. This is a big difference.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST!!! I NEVER SAW A GROUP OF FOREIGN BUSINESSMEN RIOTING IN THE STREETS OF THE BAHAMAS!

As is every country that has a flux of migrants, but if you do not have a problem with a few white guys then I don’t have a problem with the Haitians (this is according to you). I see you condone the white guys and the millionaires and the MDs and consultants etc one or ten thousand it makes no different they are all foreigners. If they are watching this site then they just learned that you gave them the Ok to come, stay, work dominate or do whatever if they like as long as they are not Haitian, fair to say, that’s great! They are all welcome to stay that is what you just said, well then, the Haitians are also welcome, I have no problem with this (according to you). My problem is that we don’t seem to know what to do and can’t seem to do anything right.

All that tirade out of two questions? :bouncy:

All that tirade out of two questions? :bouncy:


No! Nope! You could have decided that you have absolutely nothing to offer on what I am saying, but you objected and offered nothing in return. They were not questions at all, but your way to code your empty objections! Try again.

Yes Iupdate, but we're not talking about a few haitians, we're talking about hundreds every other week!...THe "white guys" you seem to have a problem with contribute to society on a larger scale than the Haitians and you cannot deny this.....The indians, and Germans etc, may come here and do business yes,....and make money yes....but they pay for their services they get here in the meantime,...they create businesses where local bahamians can get jobs, advance themselves and elevate themselves intellectually; enabling them to branch out and start their own businesses.

The same foreigners you talk about own alot of banks in the bahamas....and hotels.....and how many Bahamians work for these businesses and make a living? How many of them use the funds and skills they obtain from these jobs and start their own businesses? ALOT!!! probably alot of people in your own family....As in mine as well.

The difference is that they are foreigners...not illegal immigrants. Immigrants flood the society and systems set in place to help a country function cohesively. Foreigners, come in....invest/create business opportunities and most leave when the main tasks are completed and leave others behind Bahamians included to manage and operate the businesses. This is a big difference.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST!!! I NEVER SAW A GROUP OF FOREIGN BUSINESSMEN RIOTING IN THE STREETS OF THE BAHAMAS!



Thank you, but I am sorry to say that I don't see how any of this fit into what I am talking about, I never mentioned investors at all.

Well I'm sorry but I am too tired to explain...I thought it was a simple response...

Well I'm sorry but I am too tired to explain...I thought it was a simple response...



shhhhhh.....daddy Roker coming :shhh: :driving:

Well I'm sorry but I am too tired to explain...I thought it was a simple response...


You elaborated on investors and no one in their right mind can dispute what you said. The only thing is that this has nothing to do with what I am saying. However, the explanation is simple:
1. Why do we need foreigners occupying positions in our work forces when there are umpteen Bahamians who are qualified here and abroad?


2. What are we doing to encourage and to attract qualified Bahamians return home from school to work here instead of remaining and working abroad?


3. If we do, then why do we need foreigners here for long terms working in this country?


4. What good are the foreigners (professionals) working here when they do not patronize our businesses and culture (they shop abroad, how many of them vacation in our family islands)? These people are only occupational and their main interests are more personal than patriotic their interest is to serve themselves more than it does our country or theirs (they are more a hazard to any economy wherever they live or work, but that’s another subject). Overall, most of these foreigners have no concern for our affairs or the affairs of any country for that matter.

5. When we go to Florida or New York to live or shop, we go into many communities, neighborhoods and business district even dangerous zones wherever all to find good bargains (even getting lost some times). How many small businesses, black business owners or community business owners can say that foreigners who work here, the Indians, Canadians, Americans, and British etc come to their business and spend money?


6. What good are these foreigners working here when they export there salaries to their countries? How is this building our country? If you say their expertise, well then maybe, but we also have many Bahamian people who are just as qualified and willing, all that is necessary is some motivation and slope salaries are no motivation. Furthermore slope salaries devalue our economy and the value of this country it does not build it (on the contrary) and one does not need to be the governor of the central bank to know this.


7. What good are foreigners who accept lower salaries and we in returned are forced to accept lower salaries? In their country lower salaries here to them is their advantage simply because $1.00 could value as much as $10.00 in their country. When they have accumulated enough dollars they can return home and live well off whereas to us $1.00 is almost as low as 5 or 10 cents.


8. After achieving their goals there foreigners are replaced by other foreigners and they are glad to leave (they either return home or move on to countries such as the US or EU etc where the salary level are higher) they do not stay and fight with us for higher salaries. What good is this to us?


9. We are messing up our fragile and microscopic system for these individuals whom we seem to thing that we need, while we have no where to go but to suffer irrational decisions impose upon us by the small, petty and flimsy minds that rule and lead this country as we are stricken by the high-high prices of inflations that strangles us (not to mention mortgage loan interest rates, etc).


10. We have not even reached the point of FTAA yet and we are already at a disadvantage that we refuse to address. Why do we go on ignoring and criticizing the points that are behind time?


I can say a whole lot more but I can never mention all the concerns, but I have raised a point. I know that every thing is minus and plus, but I raised this very important matter in this thread simply to colorize this subject because all we have here is black and white pictures of the Haitian issue, but it is clear to me that no one want to talk about this but rather express their black and white pictures of the Haitians. Sure keep up the complains and the criticism, but we are well aware that the Haitians will not be going anywhere anytime soon, no sooner than the improvements that must come to Haiti.

man in plain english what is your point . ..??


Until you see the point you can only be hollow or silent!

No! Nope! You could have decided that you have absolutely nothing to offer on what I am saying, but you objected and offered nothing in return. They were not questions at all, but your way to code your empty objections! Try again.

You are reading more into my post than was there. They were questions indeed! And I did not object to your offerings. Your subsequent posts have gone on to explain your position in a clearer manner. That was all I was asking of you.

I should also point out that this thread is about illegal persons. The subject you raise is completely different. The workers you complain about are (99% I should imagine) legal. The question we should ask is why is it that business' here would rather go to the extra expense, and considerable difficulty (dealing with immigration etc.) to hired foreigner workers?

whats up with the world lately? :uh: whats the difference between haitian or bahamian were both humans right jess. we should treat each other the same.we dance to the same beats :dancer: we laugh at the same thing :bigmouth: we walk on the same land :walk: whats the problem :confused:

so whats your point ..?


Rory, at first I thought your intent was to be sarcastic, when I am wrong I am willing to admit that I am, but it seems to me that perhaps you seem not to realize that am only answering as best that I can a question that was asked.


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And just who are these foreigners " in great influential and prominent positions and are in great decision making positions deciding the outcome of the Bahamian people future and direction"?

And here I am thinking we were doing a pretty good job jacking up the country by ourselves. Who's "helping" us?


You may not agree with me at all and that is fine, I have no problem with that but I am only bringing up other points on the foreigners that most people may not see at all this time but to me now it is an important factor to address. Most of us may not see this as important, well nothing is important until we let it go to far, until it gets out of our control the way the Haitian situation is right now.

I am addressing this at an early stage. I am sure several years from now our children might be addressing this issue as we are addressing the Haitian issue. It is my intent to kill two birds with one stone that is all, nothing more. If every one here choose not to join me, than fine, that’s ok, but I will continue to tie this to the Haitian issue and other issues as I go on.