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The Point
07-29-08, - 12:05 AM
Haitians slopes sailing from Haiti all the way up to Nassau isnt nothing new. this has been going on for decades. The questions is how is it that the authorities havent made the adjustments over the years? This is what frustrates me about bahamian governments, they never fix nothing. :realmad:

Ya know Y dey een make it more urgent... cuz a weee..... YOU & MEEE...

Long as dey stay in 'da bush' we was 'sayin' it ain't so SAM'.... keep speaking...LOUDER & LOUDER....perhaps it'll hep!

peaceful
07-29-08, - 11:34 AM
Tony I wan know too! Dey gat dat downpacked to a science.
y'all don't know the story of slavery aye - getting hundreds of black people to fit on a boat packed down like tuna and shipped across the ocean is not A NEW CONCEPT AND yes i assert that the people who bring them on these boats - body traffickers are no better than slave masters or slave captors -
thats why they are so dangerous these haitian people like the ones who tried to get away could you imagine being bogged down under the guise of seeking a better life and then nearly there you are caught ?
frued had a theory on the id - any man backed into a corner becomes an animal -these people who are our brothers and sisters already have a concept of a better life and any thing that doesn't line up with that is a threat to that delusion
they do not see a smaller country than theirs - with its unique culture also struggling daily to evolve and maintain economic stability, political stability and livelihood
they do not see a smaller country with nothing for export or no other main staple other than tourism or banking ( now minimal) or fishing
they do not see a smaller country with a visible population of 350,000 about 150,000 of that figure ( Haitian legal and illegal )
they do not see a smaller country with people who were taught from birth not to take advantage of other people things , etc and what you don't have do without
they only see - free everything
free housing - find a bushy area build there
free health care - when i sick i go to the doctor
free education - my child get a seat in school because before a Bahamian child gets there i on the steps before the place open
free stuff - because Bahamians for many years have given clothes food shoes etc to their cause - feeling sorry for them because they live here and thats the Bahamian way
i spoke to the lady at the salvation army thrift shop after i went there to drop off some items and a few of them basically wanted to search the box on the way into the store - i was so irritated
not because they wanted to access to my box because i was giving the stuff away anyway but because they wanted to do it before i got in the store
first of all i was donating to the salvation army - they would have to decide whether they would sell the clothes or not
second - i was not entitled to give them first pick because they were there
the lady explained to me that a group of them sit and observe what time new things arrive and they pick out all the best things and she has been told resell them to other hatians - she said a few times they have encouraged many people coming to donate to just hand over the boxes especially with children items
i think that is outright - i don't know what to say one they sitting outside the building - blocking the salvation army hustle
now this is just heresay but all relevant to my disdain for this constant over usage of our resources and overburdening of any resources etc that should regularly be made available whether schools health care etc
i think we need to be realistic about this Haitian problem
because thats what is a problem
[B]we are too small to take on 300 Haitians coming packed down in boats daily
even weekly and this story is only of the ones that got caught

Sunnyjohn
07-29-08, - 04:23 PM
The only embargo I know of is the embargo against their mangoes. but as I understood those monagoes go to florida and then we buy it from them.
Instead of cutting out the US middle man and getting the mangoes directly from Haiti for HALF the price! We fool aye?



If the Bahamas was to set up 3 large farms in Haiti we could cut the price on many of our staple food products and keep a drey load a dem Haitian home wit jobs.

A Haitian making $75 US a week on a Bahamian farm with access to a clinic and a small school for his kids is a rich man who ein ga jumpon da next floating door fa we RDBDF ta pick up.


We need to start seeing diamonds (or at least graphite) instead of coal.


Prayers for the families of those that died.

Teniel
07-29-08, - 04:35 PM
Instead of cutting out the US middle man and getting the mangoes directly from Haiti for HALF the price! We fool aye?
If the Bahamas was to set up 3 large farms in Haiti we could cut the price on many of our staple food products and keep a drey load a dem Haitian home wit jobs.
A Haitian making $75 US a week on a Bahamian farm with access to a clinic and a small school for his kids is a rich man who ein ga jumpon da next floating door fa we RDBDF ta pick up.
We need to start seeing diamonds (or at least graphite) instead of coal.
Prayers for the families of those that died.

We so lack foresight in this country. The only thing we plan ahead for in this country is our next trip to Miami or F. Lauderdale. Sad!

LotusPhoenix
07-29-08, - 04:44 PM
Instead of cutting out the US middle man and getting the mangoes directly from Haiti for HALF the price! We fool aye?
If the Bahamas was to set up 3 large farms in Haiti we could cut the price on many of our staple food products and keep a drey load a dem Haitian home wit jobs.
A Haitian making $75 US a week on a Bahamian farm with access to a clinic and a small school for his kids is a rich man who ein ga jumpon da next floating door fa we RDBDF ta pick up.
We need to start seeing diamonds (or at least graphite) instead of coal.
Prayers for the families of those that died.

Only if the Gub'ment allow dis. More than likely dat Bahamian farm getting burn down, the workers shot and the clinic bombed.

d1973
07-29-08, - 04:45 PM
Instead of cutting out the US middle man and getting the mangoes directly from Haiti for HALF the price! We fool aye?
If the Bahamas was to set up 3 large farms in Haiti we could cut the price on many of our staple food products and keep a drey load a dem Haitian home wit jobs.
A Haitian making $75 US a week on a Bahamian farm with access to a clinic and a small school for his kids is a rich man who ein ga jumpon da next floating door fa we RDBDF ta pick up.
We need to start seeing diamonds (or at least graphite) instead of coal.
Prayers for the families of those that died.


Great idea...sounds like a perspective business venture....(where partshaven I think to myself):angel:

But seriously, while I know that many Bahamians are exasperated by the problem of illegal immigration and more particularly Haitian immigration ( because that is not the only nationality that is here illegally). Lets please not forget that we are talking about people.. human beings.. who there but the grace of God goes us.. please try to at least feign some sensitivity and care

The Point
07-29-08, - 04:51 PM
Instead of cutting out the US middle man and getting the mangoes directly from Haiti for HALF the price! We fool aye?
If the Bahamas was to set up 3 large farms in Haiti we could cut the price on many of our staple food products and keep a drey load a dem Haitian home wit jobs.
A Haitian making $75 US a week on a Bahamian farm with access to a clinic and a small school for his kids is a rich man who ein ga jumpon da next floating door fa we RDBDF ta pick up.
We need to start seeing diamonds (or at least graphite) instead of coal.
Prayers for the families of those that died.

:tup: Right on!

But den again, we need 3 tings here: 1. Political and other leaders united and acting in the best interest of the COUNTRY (not party, not voters....). 2.
Haitians in The Bahamas with vision for their own ppl --- and stop jes' feelin' sorry fa deysef and like da werl is indebted to them and 3. Bahamians cooperating.

Can we get it?

Sunnyjohn
07-29-08, - 04:52 PM
You are right. "but for the GRACE of G-D..."

Still we have to do something. We cannot continue to ignore the flow.

The fact is Haitians will CONTINUE to wash up on shore until they are given a reason to stay home. They aren't trying to get to the Bahamas. The are like moths drawn to that US flame.

Think about it. Things are tough for Bahamians. Imagine the situation in Haiti. All the big news outlets reported the huge food riots in the large Haitian cities.

(If I was a Haitian in Port au Prince I would have been on the first boat pointed North and if you sent me back I would KEEP coming.)

Haitians abroad do need to step up, that is true. Bahamians though need to take back their own borders and grab the bull by the horns.

This is an opportunity to help others AND HELP OURSELVES.

Sunnyjohn
07-29-08, - 04:54 PM
:tup: Right on!
But den again, we need 3 tings here: 1. Political and other leaders united and acting in the best interest of the COUNTRY (not party, not voters....). 2.
Haitians in The Bahamas with vision for their own ppl --- and stop jes' feelin' sorry fa deysef and like da werl is indebted to them and 3. Bahamians cooperating.
Can we get it?
Ya might could find da Haitians. Dem set who been ta school li'l enterprisin..

Da gubment leaders wit sense, I ein too sure ya could find dem in edder county.. *chuckle*

The Point
07-29-08, - 04:57 PM
You are right. "but for the GRACE of G-D..."
Still we have to do something. We cannot continue to ignore the flow.
The fact is Haitians will CONTINUE to wash up on shore until they are given a reason to stay home. They aren't trying to get to the Bahamas. The are like moths drawn to that US flame.
Think about it. Things are tough for Bahamians. Imagine the situation in Haiti. All the big news outlets reported the huge food riots in the large Haitian cities.
(If I was a Haitian in Port au Prince I would have been on the first boat pointed North and if you sent me back I would KEEP coming.)
Haitians abroad do need to step up, that is true. Bahamians though need to take back their own borders and grab the bull by the horns.
This is an opportunity to help others AND HELP OURSELVES.

Right again!

Btw, I forgot the basic need: CLEAR LAW--- once and for all! Who gets to stay, who gatta go. Forget about cries of discrimmination, etc. this is like the decision that was made back in '72-ish! We need to define: A BAHAMIAN CITIZEN --- and do so with the goal of The Bahamas we envision...

The Point
07-29-08, - 04:59 PM
Ya might could find da Haitians. Dem set who been ta school li'l enterprisin..
Da gubment leaders wit sense, I ein too sure ya could find dem in edder county.. *chuckle*

Vell what we ga do? Who we ga call?.... lil Youte...BOL

Sunnyjohn
07-29-08, - 05:01 PM
Right again!
Btw, I forgot the basic need: CLEAR LAW--- once and for all! Who gets to stay, who gatta go. Forget about cries of discrimmination, etc. this is like the decision that was made back in '72-ish! We need to define: A BAHAMIAN CITIZEN --- and do so with the goal of The Bahamas we envision...


...and da whole Church said AMEN!!!

Sunnyjohn
07-29-08, - 05:04 PM
Vell what we ga do? Who we ga call?.... lil Youte...BOL
He too busy tryin ta find gyal.

asterz57
07-29-08, - 05:17 PM
Right again!
Btw, I forgot the basic need: CLEAR LAW--- once and for all! Who gets to stay, who gatta go. Forget about cries of discrimmination, etc. this is like the decision that was made back in '72-ish! We need to define: A BAHAMIAN CITIZEN --- and do so with the goal of The Bahamas we envision...

I really wanna know the definition of a Bahamian Citizen cause I hearing plenty definitions of it.

Rodrick
07-30-08, - 11:55 AM
1 body found yesterday 3 found this moring so far. 1 of the 3 may be Bahamian.