maybe heaven is hell and hell is heaven and the bible was created by the devil to get more suckers to join his side .. :shaky:

its all heresay so nobody can say any thing they say regaring religion is fact.

We wont know for sure until we die.

:cheers:

Man you just wrong...I see and understand why you don't go to church....

Don't forget Bugs is a crossdresser. LOL :cutie:

I always believed that Bugs Bunny was gay!!

Nope...Baboon was trying to make a point...who gives a flying leap who becomes pope...Most people in the Bahamas are Baptist...I think we need to stick on issues that really concerns us...



Then dont respond to this one, and start a thread on Baptist in the Bahamas.

:jawdroop: A black pope.This stand as much chance of happin as oh lets say a jew startin the papacy :)

What, Jews did not start the Catholic Church? What's going on here?

It is so amusing that the organized Catholic religion came years after Peter's death...The question should be Did Peter know that he was Catholic and that he would have been the first Pope...

Catholics would say that the church, organized or not, began with Peter. Did Peter know he was Catholic? I doubt it. Did he know he was the first Pope? Doubt that too.

Don't forget the early Church did not think it was going to be around to long. Jesus had said in Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward each one according to his works. Truly I say to you, There are some standing here who shall not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Jesus suggested he would be back within the lifetime of those listing to him. However, he did not return so the Church had to organize.

Catholics would say that the church, organized or not, began with Peter. Did Peter know he was Catholic? I doubt it. Did he know he was the first Pope? Doubt that too.

Don't forget the early Church did not think it was going to be around to long. Jesus had said in Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward each one according to his works. Truly I say to you, There are some standing here who shall not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Jesus suggested he would be back within the lifetime of those listing to him. However, he did not return so the Church had to organize.

In other word this so callled Jesus, son of God, LIED to his followers about returning in their lifetime and if he did not lie to his followers, then he must have already returned and taken his chosen ones with him to heaven. In either case the latter day christians are holding on to a pipe dream or were fooled by Jesus. It is true what P.T. Barnum said,"There is a sucker born every day". :D

It is a safe bet because I cannot lose and you cannot win! I cannot win and you cannot lose! :cool:

First of all you say "I cannot say that John is going to hell." but then you say, "But I guarantee that he is not going to heaven." So, there is a third place? (Unless you are talking about Purgatory.)

The Late Pope followed his beliefs, which he held to be true, with all sincerity. You follow your beliefs, which you hold to be true, with all sincerity. I am sure that both of you could bring mountains of documents to prove your respective positions.

Is the Pope in heaven? Will you find your place there when your time comes? Is there a heaven? All these questions will be ultimately answered when ones last breath is drawn, and not before. The Pope now "knows." That puts him one up on us all.

How can you say that he followed his beliefs? You don't know that. There are many mean that have beliefs but because they are apart of an organization their beliefs take a back seat. I May be a PLP mp or pm and for Capital punishment but because my party is against it my hands are tied, unless I leave.
About who are what the rock is Paul in 1co 10:4 clearly said that the rock was Christ. Obviously the disciples understood that Jesus was not talking about Peter cause they didn't make him leader.
I am not saying that there is a third place I was just being malicious. I fact I don't think anyone is going to heaven. The bible never said that man is going to heaven. But if they are. John isn't going to be there.!!!!!!!

So who are your connections to the after life, becasue it sounds like you have some very privied information. YOU CANNOT EVEN MAKE A GUARANTEE ABOUT TOMORROW AND WHETHER YOU SHALL BE AROUND TO SEE IT, so how can you make a guarantee about where the Pope is or is not following his death. No mortal can or should make that judgement.

YOu are absolutely right.
But I still say that no pope has or is or will go to heaven.

In other word this so callled Jesus, son of God, LIED to his followers about returning in their lifetime and if he did not lie to his followers, then he must have already returned and taken his chosen ones with him to heaven. In either case the latter day christians are holding on to a pipe dream or were fooled by Jesus. It is true what P.T. Barnum said,"There is a sucker born every day". :D

Your comments sent me in search of an answer. There is an excellent annotated Bible. It is a King James version and it was annotated by Finnis Jennings Dake in the 1960's I think. In reference to this passage he says " (it is) referring to (the) disciples seeing him transfigured." The next chapter of Matthew goes on to write about the transfiguration. So, perhaps that is what it means but I find that a bit unsatisfying.

How can you say that he followed his beliefs? You don't know that.
How can you say he did not? I believe he did. His belief was in the Catholic Church and he upheld their doctrines.

There are many mean that have beliefs but because they are apart of an organization their beliefs take a back seat. I May be a PLP mp or pm and for Capital punishment but because my party is against it my hands are tied, unless I leave.
Any man who acts against his beliefs just to fit into a party, or religion, is acting against his conscious. He is just there to keep a job rather that to act according to his honor. One does not have to stay in a party, or religion, let alone lead it, if its doctrines go against his beliefs. I feel the Pope agreed with the Churches positions and he upheld them. They are not my beliefs, that is why I am not a Catholic - or the Pope! But I do honor him because he had something that is lacking in this world - backbone!

I don't know if you watched any of the funeral but I was struck by the large number of young people there. It seems that the young are drawn to those with backbone, even if they don't agree with everything, they respect it. Perhaps there is a lesson there for religious leaders, "grow a backbone!"

Baptists, Evangelists, and Jehova Witnesses are almost more brainwashed than the catholics!

I guess the operative word there is ALMOST, right?

Link.....you gave some insight into what the term Father means, thank you. But you did not answer my question as to, should you call the man who helped produce you, Father? and if not, why do so many people do it? And do you do it?
I find it interesting that you can determine who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Do you know where 2Pac went? I always wonder that to myself.....And can you tell me how you gained the power to see into the next realm? I'd like to learn that techinique.
I simply wish that a person is granted mercy at their time of death and finds peace when they die. I don't wish anyone ends up in hell. That was downright a cruel thing to say.

In that Father statement jesus was making a prophecy about the coming popes and priest. He was warning us of their coming reign of terror. The era when the church would rule: the DARK ages. He was also giving so spiritual insight. Yes The person would impregnated your mother is your physical father. You came here through him. He has kind of a right to be call father. But if you look with spiritual eyes you would know that truly we are not the body but we are the spirit in the body. That spirit cam from GOD the father.
So it is not really bad to call the physical one your father. But what part of you comes from the pope or the priest. It is blasphemous to call him your father. I call my daddy, daddy. He is asleep now though. The fact that so many people does something means nothing. The majority is almost always wrong.
I can't determine who goes to heaven. but I know that the papacy is anti christ.
Tupac isn't dead. If he is he is living in a ghetto in heaven.
If i was able to save everyone from hell I would. Even if that meant me going there forever.
Don't take me to literally on the pope hell thing. I am just being rebellious and showing that getting a position by man does not guarantee a mansion in heaven. We must continue to question everything!

Man you harsh...Remember that the Catholics were the first organized religions...all other organized religions spring forth from its follies...

Think you need to say it right.
The Catholics were the first to organize Christianity not religion. What you need to study is who started the Catholics and how they became so powerful.
Places to start your research.
Emperor Constantine
The Burning Times
The Witches Hammer
The Inquisitions
The Crusades

how do you know, you got some hard proof to back up your opinion ..?? :bored:

Very good point Rory. I would like to see the responce to this one.

How can you say he did not? I believe he did. His belief was in the Catholic Church and he upheld their doctrines.


Any man who acts against his beliefs just to fit into a party, or religion, is acting against his conscious. He is just there to keep a job rather that to act according to his honor. One does not have to stay in a party, or religion, let alone lead it, if its doctrines go against his beliefs. I feel the Pope agreed with the Churches positions and he upheld them. They are not my beliefs, that is why I am not a Catholic - or the Pope! But I do honor him because he had something that is lacking in this world - backbone!

I don't know if you watched any of the funeral but I was struck by the large number of young people there. It seems that the young are drawn to those with backbone, even if they don't agree with everything, they respect it. Perhaps there is a lesson there for religious leaders, "grow a backbone!"

Amen to the back bone thing. I to believe that he upheld the beliefs of the catholic church. Even to the extent of covering up and hiding church abuse of innocent little boys and girls. It takes alot of backbone to stand up for your evil priest even though the whole world was asking for justice to be done. He stood up to the world and chose to protect his bastard priest. Thats back bone. This life is full of injustice but thank God for HELL. Contrary to catholic belief you can't buy your way out of hell.
But back to the point. I fully agree with your back bone statement.