Yup I heard from a church member who has some buses on the Carmicheal route that the Bahamian & the Haitian kids normally catch the bus in seperate groups :jawdroop: & we here talkin about intergration.


They need to make a clean sweep of Carmichael Rd, cause this is foolishness. Police in the schools now, and who dont want to behave will get a free room at Her Majesty's Prison, to share along with Bubba, Skunk, and Yammy.

I have very strong feelings about school violence. It comes in several forms. There is violence between students. This is largely a result of poor parenting, and is an indication that issues need to be addressed urgently. We have no agency to adequately deal with this.

There is violence where students attack teachers. These students should be immediately taken out of the regular classroom and permanently enrolled in special institutions, which probably need to be residential in nature. These are the ignorant ungrateful children of ignorant, untrained parents, and in some cases, have been ENCOURAGED by their parents to behave this way.

There are attacks on teachers by parents and other outsiders. These incidents are not being treated seriously enough. This disgraceful, primitive behaviour demonstrates a lack of appreciation for the worth and work of our teachers. The implications of this behaviour are not appreciated by the authorities in this country. Can you imagine the drastic actions that would be taken if MP's were being attacked in the House of ASSembly? Fact is, there are already layers of protection in place. The idiots there protect themselves, so that they can serve 8 years and receive a generous, non contrinutory pension, but they don't show any concern for the peoiple teaching their legitimate and illegitimate children.

Teachers are responsible for scores of students at a time, and when being attacked, must also consider the welfare of the other students. Persons who enter school premises and threaten or engage in violence should have their heads chopped off in Rawson Square.

The comments on this issue reflect deep ignorance of the issue.

Time out, detention, and even suspension are actionsthat may be effective in minor infractions. People, we are dealing with stabbings, chopping, rock-throwing, destruction of property, threats of death, and now, thanks to the inactivity of the idiot police office at the South Beach Station, a murder. And yall talking about TIME OUT?????

I need a time out before I lose it!

Man what school was this?


I'm not going to say at this time. I plan to visit them soon and see whether or not they've cleaned up their act.

welll,lets keep it that way!
i would use a two pronged strategy, cane em from admin, and then keep them in skool til five, 9-3 with the regular population, and then 3-5 or 6 with supervised work and study time!


Why should they get more after-hour attention than other students? Well-behaved students are going to be short-changed in this way, and if their problems are behavorial in nature, drilling multiplication tables, etc. into their heads isn't really going to do much. A disciple problem needs to be combatted at the core level.

Yup I heard from a church member who has some buses on the Carmicheal route that the Bahamian & the Haitian kids normally catch the bus in seperate groups :jawdroop: & we here talkin about intergration.


This is one of the more distrubing posts that I've read in a long time.

We in the Bahamas definitely have a :sparky: on our hands.

Why should they get more after-hour attention than other students? Well-behaved students are going to be short-changed in this way, and if their problems are behavorial in nature, drilling multiplication tables, etc. into their heads isn't really going to do much. A disciple problem needs to be combatted at the core level.



the reason why they deserve more time is becasue they need more time.
you cant class your kid or someone elses bright kid, with anyone else's mal functioning kid!

and to be honest it is this selfishness is why we have problems like this. the fact is some people need more attention than others, no child should be categorized or placed into a bunch and forgotten...the good kids need attention and support just as much as the bad kids need better support and care, its just that some kids need a different type of support and others need another type of support...catch my drift??

why keep a functioning child in shcool for over the extended time...it defeats the purpose..no?
but the problem kids, if we stop looking the other way, and refusing to go the extra mile for people that need our help, then the problem will escalate!

the fact is what i think you are getting at is..."the core level", and that is make the parents be more repsonsible to their kids...if you cant make a child who is in your care for more than half ofd his productive day, then how can you tell or teach a grown up on how to parent. the strategy is a good start, but needs more than a one way solution, better parenting classes are key yes. but we need to deal with the kids too...no?
and besides getting at all of the problem the same time as well as the core of the problem only serves us better and suts a shorter time in dealing with the problem effectively!

think i said enough???
:D

Teachers are responsible for scores of students at a time, and when being attacked, must also consider the welfare of the other students. Persons who enter school premises and threaten or engage in violence should have their heads chopped off in Rawson Square.


Teachers also harrass and vent their frustration on innocent students when they can't get the person who's causing the trouble either because of 'school politics'. Make no mistake, not all teachers are the victims here.

Violence begets violence. Beating someone down, means that they might 'act proper' and do what you say do, but if it's not for their own good, they will always resent you for it. There are bound to be more mistakes and errors stemming from police in schools than a solution to behavorial problems.

the reason why they deserve more time is becasue they need more time.
you cant class your kid or someone elses bright kid, with anyone else's mal functioning kid!

and to be honest it is this selfishness is why we have problems like this. the fact is some people need more attention than others, no child should be categorized or placed into a bunch and forgotten...the good kids need attention and support just as much as the bad kids need better support and care, its just that some kids need a different type of support and others need another type of support...catch my drift??

why keep a functioning child in shcool for over the extended time...it defeats the purpose..no?
but the problem kids, if we stop looking the other way, and refusing to go the extra mile for people that need our help, then the problem will escalate!

the fact is what i think you are getting at is..."the core level", and that is make the parents be more repsonsible to their kids...if you cant make a child who is in your care for more than half ofd his productive day, then how can you tell or teach a grown up on how to parent. the strategy is a good start, but needs more than a one way solution, better parenting classes are key yes. but we need to deal with the kids too...no?
and besides getting at all of the problem the same time as well as the core of the problem only serves us better and suts a shorter time in dealing with the problem effectively!

think i said enough???
:D


First off, I am not being selfish. In many cases, these kids aren't acting up because they're 'slow', they need positive direction. If they have supervised extra-curricular activites, girl guides, boy scouts, etc., then maybe they can step off of this path of destruction. Asking teachers to give more of their after-hour time is alot. School is a place of socialization, but kids need more than teachers and even parents in this Bahamas.

They might need direction, but they don't deserve more in/after school time.

First off, I am not being selfish. In many cases, these kids aren't acting up because they're 'slow', they need positive direction. If they have supervised extra-curricular activites, girl guides, boy scouts, etc., then maybe they can step off of this path of destruction. Asking teachers to give more of their after-hour time is alot. School is a place of socialization, but kids need more than teachers and even parents in this Bahamas.

They might need direction, but they don't deserve more in/after school time.


you talk about after school programs, who do you think is going to lead this after shcool program charge initialy?? :confused:
school teachers!!! :cutie:
the thing is they have to put up more...there is now two ways about it!
either they be lazy, or find effective ways in minimizing the work load that must come!

but i do agree, that non school after school personel are needed, and how we make them come abroad is something i cant say for sure, but it is definatly something we need!

There are bound to be more mistakes and errors stemming from police in schools than a solution to behavorial problems.

Gotta disagree with you there.

Kids who know that the police are on campus, prepared to deal with fights and other violent behaviour, will tend to behave. It's a successful step that has been taken in Jamaica. In fact, the police are in those schools not only in an enforcement capacity, but in a role model/mentor function as well.

They need to make this move NOW, before our schools get to the point that Jamaica's were.

And if they are found guilty of stabbing, carrying weapons, fighting, and other extreme acts, then the punishment should be a public flogging (cat-o-nine tails). We don't need our legal system to become any more clogged up. Take your licks and then prepare to get more if you act up again. Respect for the laws of this country needs to be instilled in these youth. When they get a simple suspension or some other candy-pie punishment for some of the things that they do, it is no wonder they feel they can do it again.

Young kids nowadays have no respect, just look at the graffiti on the Government House wall!

Oh yeah, and as for where these public floggings will take place. It should be in the community where the offending kid lives. Let them serve as an example to other kids in that area. Right now if they go to the youth homes or are locked up, they get a "bad boy/girl" reputation. Let others see how bad you really have it when you're "bad".

you talk about after school programs, who do you think is going to lead this after shcool program charge initialy?? :confused:
school teachers!!! :cutie:
the thing is they have to put up more...there is now two ways about it!
either they be lazy, or find effective ways in minimizing the work load that must come!

but i do agree, that non school after school personel are needed, and how we make them come abroad is something i cant say for sure, but it is definatly something we need!


If after-school assistants will offer themselves up, I feel that teachers would be more inclined to contribute of their time. I'm wondering whether persons on probation of minor infractions, (i.e. DUI, etc.) would be a valid suggestion?

Gotta disagree with you there.

Kids who know that the police are on campus, prepared to deal with fights and other violent behaviour, will tend to behave. It's a successful step that has been taken in Jamaica. In fact, the police are in those schools not only in an enforcement capacity, but in a role model/mentor function as well.

They need to make this move NOW, before our schools get to the point that Jamaica's were.

And if they are found guilty of stabbing, carrying weapons, fighting, and other extreme acts, then the punishment should be a public flogging (cat-o-nine tails). We don't need our legal system to become any more clogged up. Take your licks and then prepare to get more if you act up again. Respect for the laws of this country needs to be instilled in these youth. When they get a simple suspension or some other candy-pie punishment for some of the things that they do, it is no wonder they feel they can do it again.

Young kids nowadays have no respect, just look at the graffiti on the Government House wall!

Oh yeah, and as for where these public floggings will take place. It should be in the community where the offending kid lives. Let them serve as an example to other kids in that area. Right now if they go to the youth homes or are locked up, they get a "bad boy/girl" reputation. Let others see how bad you really have it when you're "bad".


If these kids have problems at home, repressing them at school, will only make them ticking time bombs in the community later on. Policing the schools will probably deter the 'copycats', i.e. people who are only just looking for the acceptance via 'acting out', but children with real problems, if not counselled properly WILL slip through the cracks.

I'm officially on the record for opposing public flogging. I just don't like it.

If these kids have problems at home, repressing them at school, will only make them ticking time bombs in the community later on. Policing the schools will probably deter the 'copycats', i.e. people who are only just looking for the acceptance via 'acting out', but children with real problems, if not counselled properly WILL slip through the cracks.

I'm officially on the record for opposing public flogging. I just don't like it.

Yeah, it doesnt score a lot of points with the human rights crowd, but the laws of the street are based upon fear. Only those who can instill "fear" in others get respect in that environment.

You can't expect a kid who will openly cuss out and even fight a teacher or administrator to be rational enough to absorb a "you need to behave" or "think about your future" speech. Someone like that is too far gone. When I was a counsellor in the US for troubled youth, those kids knew exactly which counsellors to mess with and not listen to. It takes getting right up in these kid's faces and showing them who is boss that will get them to behave. Mind you, teachers should NOT be the ones to do this, or even administrators, but if the police or some other group can be the "enforcers" perhaps this separation of discipline and education can work.

I'm sure that a lot of us island people grew up knowing exactly who the "boss" was from our parents. I'll say it again, a good cut-behind never hurt anyone. Many of ya'll no doubt can remember pickin' ya own switch and now are trying to emulate these other foreign cultures who frown on spanking - No wonder these kids running wild! Don't believe the hype, some of our kids are a different breed of badness altogether. Bend the tree while it's young...

Yeah, it doesnt score a lot of points with the human rights crowd, but the laws of the street are based upon fear. Only those who can instill "fear" in others get respect in that environment.

You can't expect a kid who will openly cuss out and even fight a teacher or administrator to be rational enough to absorb a "you need to behave" or "think about your future" speech. Someone like that is too far gone. When I was a counsellor in the US for troubled youth, those kids knew exactly which counsellors to mess with and not listen to. It takes getting right up in these kid's faces and showing them who is boss that will get them to behave. Mind you, teachers should NOT be the ones to do this, or even administrators, but if the police or some other group can be the "enforcers" perhaps this separation of discipline and education can work.

I'm sure that a lot of us island people grew up knowing exactly who the "boss" was from our parents. I'll say it again, a good cut-behind never hurt anyone. Many of ya'll no doubt can remember pickin' ya own switch and now are trying to emulate these other foreign cultures who frown on spanking - No wonder these kids running wild! Don't believe the hype, some of our kids are a different breed of badness altogether. Bend the tree while it's young...

bring back the switch!
bring back the switch!
bring back the switch!
bring back the switch!
bring back the switch!

The lord knows why im not a teacher, I would give those children a back hand slap cold. It's a national disgrace, these children have no rule and no order! :hammer: