No unresovled issues here,& I think you misunderstood my post.My issue is with these women having kids & saying the father is responsible for them.My point y2k is that NO ONE should have any kids without being sure that they can take care of that child alone. ps I grew up in a stable home with a brother & two sisters along with mum & dad who were together for more than 40 yrs up to the time of my mums death two years ago, so I can not relate to what you speak of.


Thats just it, you cant relate. Focus should not be on the illegitimate kids, but the illigetimate relationships that produce these kids. No child in my opinion is illegitimate in that sense, we all have a purpose hear on this earth regardless of the circumstances that we are born into. Individuals need to start to taking responsibility for their actions and that includes both males and females. The issuie of 'outside chirren' is not a one sided issue.

Both parents need to take responsibility for the child they aided in conceiveing.

Thats just it, you cant relate. Focus should not be on the illegitimate kids, but the illigetimate relationships that produce these kids. No child in my opinion is illegitimate in that sense, we all have a purpose hear on this earth regardless of the circumstances that we are born into. Individuals need to start to taking responsibility for their actions and that includes both males and females. The issuie of 'outside chirren' is not a one sided issue.

Both parents need to take responsibility for the child they aided in conceiveing.
Thing is you seem to be agreeing with me.....up to a point,but I still say each parent should be able to take careof that child by themselves, because in life NOTHING is guaranteed.

I'm not saying that one parent isn't needed, but that the task of instilling a sense of right and wrong, good judgement and character, etc can be undertaken (successfully, might I add) by one devoted parent.


this is true, i am an example of this. the success of a single parent home definatly depends on how hard that single parent is willing to work. i think when it comes down to it (excluding sexuality becuase truely it is not important) the success of a two parent home depends on how hard both parents are willing two work. raising successful children for a successful future depends on these parents now. when i say successful i dont mean how much money they will make or what position they will hold cuase it means nothing if they were not tuaght to be humble, kind, honest etc.


With regard to your comment about an absence of fathers not causing boys to be gay, I'm not saying that at all. But see, the arguments as to why some people are gay are so cloudy at the moment, it's difficult to take sides. Born or bred? Who knows for sure? There's no concrete scientific evidence to support either argument, which is why it would be foolish to say "I was born gay" or "My father wasn't around, so I'm gay."


good observation, no one can say for sure what cuases homosexuality. i think i will take your approach on the matter. but i guess people pick a stance on the matter becuase when it come on to heterosexuality people pick a side they say they were born that way or it is natural. truely, do we really know?

the law does recognize these children now what the hell are you talking about!



when a child born unto a non bahamian parent and a bahamian parent who are not married and the child is not allowed citizenship or when a bahamian man and bahamian woman have a baby ouside of wedloc and he must pay child support but the mother isnt forced to arrange visitations for the dad. i dont think so, it is clear that the laws tend to favour children born in marriage. i gave you some example, now tell me what you are talking bout.


p.s.- dont let your dislike toward me cloud your common sense

and i know you are going to say...well "i must be an outside child too" :p ,and actualy i am not....moms and popps were married,then a nasty divorce


reading this statement makes me ponder the question: why is it that if a person has a certain opinion on something, people automatically assume they have a hidden agenda or are trying to defend themselves. ie becuase you are sympathetic to outside kids you must be one also. is it that hard to believe that a person can form an independant opinion on their own?

dna testing dig his arse up he only 6 feet under!


if the deceased parents or siblings or children are alive and willing to participate in the DNA testing. it would make no sence exuming the body, which is expensive, when they can have someone walk into the office. :dgi:

:screw: Like I said in an earlier post we are always fining names & making excuses for sin.For the last time it is impossible for someone to be born a homosexual.We are not animals ,all human responses are a learned behaviour. eg You take two twins born @ birth & seperate them put one in England & the next In France & its a guarantee that one will speak english & the other french,the rest of their characteristics will also be a learned & thought out response. FYI Humans are not animals!


i am going to take heed from NASBWI, i am not going to take the stance that we are born with sexuality anymore or any stance for that matter becuase really and truely nobody knows. are you saying that heterosexuality is learned. tell me something did you learn your heterosexuality, did you choose to be heterosexual? of course you could take the easy route and say well we are born with heterosexuality becuase it aids in human reproduction.

truth is nobody knows, what i do know is all we can do is not pass judgment for the way someone else chooses to live their lives. we dont have to sleep with who they sleep with so why do we care.

Thats just it, you cant relate. Focus should not be on the illegitimate kids, but the illigetimate relationships that produce these kids. No child in my opinion is illegitimate in that sense, we all have a purpose hear on this earth regardless of the circumstances that we are born into. Individuals need to start to taking responsibility for their actions and that includes both males and females. The issuie of 'outside chirren' is not a one sided issue.

Both parents need to take responsibility for the child they aided in conceiveing.


wow what an intelligent obersvation. truely there is no such thing as an illegitimate child. it is sad that a child is labeled,looked down upon, and punished becuase of what their parents decided to do.

reading this statement makes me ponder the question: why is it that if a person has a certain opinion on something, people automatically assume they have a hidden agenda or are trying to defend themselves. ie becuase you are sympathetic to outside kids you must be one also. is it that hard to believe that a person can form an independant opinion on their own?


i know huh... :cheesy:
but the truth is we must understand and empathize!!!
;)

No unresovled issues here,& I think you misunderstood my post.My issue is with these women having kids & saying the father is responsible for them.
the last time i checked...it took two to have a baby, a woman and sperm from a man!
unlessshe was artificially impregnated....both people had sex, so both should shoulder the responsibility of raising...and termination!
saying "these women" signifies a sexist and utilitarian way of looking at it, and would hope that that was not intention!!


My point y2k is that NO ONE should have any kids without being sure that they can take care of that child alone.
well, the thing is like you pointed out to is "things happen"....
and it is unfortunate some people lose loved ones and parents, but if a man and a woman have sex, and "THEY"(Bold, underlined, italics and quotation marks :D ) become pregnant they should be responsible enough to make the proper descision forthe kids of course!
you should find any and every way to "be a responsible figure for your kids" and not find ways to shirk your duties as a parent and a responsible citizen!
as i am sure your mother and father found a way to do that!

ps I grew up in a stable home with a brother & two sisters along with mum & dad who were together for more than 40 yrs up to the time of my mums death two years ago, so I can not relate to what you speak of.

and neither can i "realistically" fully relate to the plight of outside children,but i do know is this it cant be easy!
and also, becasue you had a functioning family, doesnt mean that other are afforded that same luxury!

what i see you doing is punishing the children of the horrible perdicament by 1.making escape clauses for irr-responsible parents
and;
2.not sympathizing with their position that they have no control over

to insinuate that dead beat dads get a free pass, and make insinuations that "these women" need to stop having babies is at the very least...not nice to say in this enlightened era of human development :D !
for all of the reasons i will relate to you if you ask for it!
;)

the last time i checked...it took two to have a baby, a woman and sperm from a man!
unlessshe was artificially impregnated....both people had sex, so both should shoulder the responsibility of raising...and termination!
saying "these women" signifies a sexist and utilitarian way of looking at it, and would hope that that was not intention!!



well, the thing is like you pointed out to is "things happen"....
and it is unfortunate some people lose loved ones and parents, but if a man and a woman have sex, and "THEY"(Bold, underlined, italics and quotation marks :D ) become pregnant they should be responsible enough to make the proper descision forthe kids of course!
you should find any and every way to "be a responsible figure for your kids" and not find ways to shirk your duties as a parent and a responsible citizen!
as i am sure your mother and father found a way to do that!


and neither can i "realistically" fully relate to the plight of outside children,but i do know is this it cant be easy!
and also, becasue you had a functioning family, doesnt mean that other are afforded that same luxury!

what i see you doing is punishing the children of the horrible perdicament by 1.making escape clauses for irr-responsible parents
and;
2.not sympathizing with their position that they have no control over

to insinuate that dead beat dads get a free pass, and make insinuations that "these women" need to stop having babies is at the very least...not nice to say in this enlightened era of human development :D !
for all of the reasons i will relate to you if you ask for it!
;)



Very good post YK. It takes two to shake and produce a baby. Lets not make this a one sided issue, because basic biology can disprove that notion. Lets not shirk the responsibilty of the man in question, we already have too many dead beat dads out there in our Bahamian society. Lets try to educate our young women on making smart choices, and looking out for their futures. But let us not allow them to carry the burden of raising a child alone, as if we are punishing them. Unwanted pregnancies are a fact of life.

I wonder when ya'll will get ya'll head out the sand & understand my post.SMT..And you say I have issues. All right I'm going to try this once more...@ Y2K & Teniel I am not excusing anybody(unlike you two who mentioned deadbeat dads) my post mentioned the women BECAUSE THEY are usally the ones @ the courts looking for child support,knowing full well @ the time of their pregancy that they could not take care of the child themselves if it came to it(which it always does)All I'm saying is that YOU should not bring a child into this world if you yourself dn't know how you are going to take care of it. ps Take this how you will,But I have never seen a man @ the hospital with a big belly.

I wonder when ya'll will get ya'll head out the sand & understand my post.SMT..And you say I have issues. All right I'm going to try this once more...@ Y2K & Teniel I am not excusing anybody(unlike you two who mentioned deadbeat dads) my post mentioned the women BECAUSE THEY are usally the ones @ the courts looking for child support,knowing full well @ the time of their pregancy that they could not take care of the child themselves if it came to it(which it always does)All I'm saying is that YOU should not bring a child into this world if you yourself dn't know how you are going to take care of it. ps Take this how you will,But I have never seen a man @ the hospital with a big belly.



And I never met another Virgin Mary. (I didnt even meet the first one)

And I never met another Virgin Mary. (I didnt even meet the first one)

I met a virgin named mary once, and I fixed that problem promptly!!!















just kidding!

I wonder when ya'll will get ya'll head out the sand & understand my post.SMT..And you say I have issues. All right I'm going to try this once more...@ Y2K & Teniel I am not excusing anybody(unlike you two who mentioned deadbeat dads) my post mentioned the women BECAUSE THEY are usally the ones @ the courts looking for child support,knowing full well @ the time of their pregancy that they could not take care of the child themselves if it came to it(which it always does)All I'm saying is that YOU should not bring a child into this world if you yourself dn't know how you are going to take care of it. ps Take this how you will,But I have never seen a man @ the hospital with a big belly.

Today's women just don't care...their anthem is they can do it without a man's help, then later, I will take him to court to get the 32 dollars a week, child support.